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Post by brigham on Dec 10, 2018 9:16:10 GMT
As suggested...
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Post by miff on Dec 10, 2018 9:27:46 GMT
What else would you do with it ? 😀
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Post by ducatisti on Dec 10, 2018 9:44:09 GMT
why is not an appropriate place for art?
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Dec 10, 2018 9:50:36 GMT
The map in itself is art, so more of it on the cover is fine.
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Post by class411 on Dec 10, 2018 9:53:01 GMT
So long as it's art that I personally like.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 12:42:14 GMT
Yes.
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Post by miff on Dec 10, 2018 13:44:58 GMT
So long as it's art that I personally like. The only way to ensure this is if it is your job to choose it. One of the most important things about art is that it must be the artist’s vision and the curator’s choice and surprise. We can then decide whether we love it or hate it and comment accordingly - if it’s really bad it won’t be there for long. Not the kind of thing the public should be consulted on in advance, you’d end up either with something utterly bland or Boaty McBoatface. |
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Post by John Tuthill on Dec 10, 2018 13:46:31 GMT
I agree-BUT is it art, or just an "artists" on an ego trip?  |
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Post by miff on Dec 10, 2018 13:50:47 GMT
One might be, the next one might not. That’s ok with me.
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Post by beingcharley on Dec 10, 2018 15:20:18 GMT
I agree-BUT is it art, or just an "artists" on an ego trip? Linder is one of the most influential artists of her generation, working with mixed-media and collage to create powerful, feminist bodies of work encompassing a broad scope and an important message. None of the artists working with AotU are anything less than world class. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 15:33:58 GMT
I agree-BUT is it art, or just an "artists" on an ego trip? What art isn't an ego trip? |
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Post by londoner on Dec 10, 2018 16:23:04 GMT
I don't believe its an appropriate place for politically motivated artwork. However I'm not sure whether its possible to make such a distinction.
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Post by John Tuthill on Dec 10, 2018 17:00:57 GMT
I agree-BUT is it art, or just an "artists" on an ego trip? Linder is one of the most influential artists of her generation, working with mixed-media and collage to create powerful, feminist bodies of work encompassing a broad scope and an important message.
None of the artists working with AotU are anything less than world class. O.K. So what is the 'important message' this montage of someones mouth telling us? |
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Post by straphanger on Dec 10, 2018 17:14:44 GMT
As long as it doesn't get in the way of the primary functional requirement of a front cover, art away.
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Post by miff on Dec 10, 2018 17:37:07 GMT
O.K. So what is the 'important message' this montage of someones mouth telling us? It is far from essential for art to have an ‘important’ message, but this is what the artist says about it: art.tfl.gov.uk/projects/the-bower-of-bliss/ |
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Post by Red Dragon on Dec 10, 2018 18:01:52 GMT
I agree-BUT is it art, or just an "artists" on an ego trip? Linder is one of the most influential artists of her generation, working with mixed-media and collage to create powerful, feminist bodies of work encompassing a broad scope and an important message. None of the artists working with AotU are anything less than world class. Personally, I dislike the design - it's very jarring and having photographs of body parts on the map is hardly pleasant. In particular: This reminds me of a glossy brochure for some blurb for a "vibrant new community in the heart of [placename] incorporating the historic features of its industrial past into a new innovative blend of Holdernes clay and glorious glass." i.e. waffle - all of your statements are subjective. "Influential" is questionable considering that her method of creating artwork is quite similar to many others; "powerful" is debatable - to the majority of people it's just some cut-out lips and fingers. I may be missing something but I'm struggling to derive a feminist message from the work, let alone an important message. What is the important message, may I ask? |
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Post by superteacher on Dec 10, 2018 18:10:40 GMT
Anything can be classed as art, even a blank cover! So it’s actually impossible for art not to be on the front cover. Cue the discussion on philosophy!
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Post by spsmiler on Dec 10, 2018 18:22:58 GMT
shrug shoulders, why not? something has to go there and different designs for each edition make it easier to tell them apart!
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Post by londoner on Dec 10, 2018 18:32:06 GMT
Anything can be classed as art, even a blank cover! So it’s actually impossible for art not to be on the front cover. Cue the discussion on philosophy! I was in the Tate modern the other day and there was an exhibit where the entire "painting" was simply one shade of colour. I can't remember if it was yellow or blue. |
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Post by superteacher on Dec 10, 2018 18:34:18 GMT
Anything can be classed as art, even a blank cover! So it’s actually impossible for art not to be on the front cover. Cue the discussion on philosophy! I was in the Tate modern the other day and there was an exhibit where the entire "painting" was simply one shade of colour. I can't remember if it was yellow or blue. I’m clearly in the wrong job then! |
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Post by class411 on Dec 10, 2018 18:43:44 GMT
Anything can be classed as art, even a blank cover! So it’s actually impossible for art not to be on the front cover. Cue the discussion on philosophy! I was in the Tate modern the other day and there was an exhibit where the entire "painting" was simply one shade of colour. I can't remember if it was yellow or blue. I saw that a fortnight ago. It's not the first time Tate have had such an artwork. Back in the early 80's Tate Britain ('The Tate' as was) had a smaller piece, a square dark blue baize, nicely framed. I often wished I'd had the nerve to stick a notice on the frame saying that the work had been removed for restoration. I did once (non destructively) add a 'Hamlet' packet to a particularly incomprehensible piece of art at the RA - according to a friend it was still there several days later. |
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Post by miff on Dec 10, 2018 18:57:35 GMT
I remember seeing a table at the Tate Modern loaded up with paint pots and decorating tools. I had to ask whether it was an exhibit and was told it wasn’t - but maybe it was - what if it was the artist I spoke to and he took me for a ride? I’m still not sure but if a work of art can make you wonder, rather than hitting you over the head with an obvious ‘meaning’ then that’s fine.
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Post by cso on Dec 10, 2018 19:16:23 GMT
Personal view is that the Tube Map can have art on it, but ideally something that's related to the Underground. I have to say that I am definitely not a fan of the December 2018 one.
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Dec 10, 2018 19:19:04 GMT
My view is that the Tube map can, and should have, art on it. It's certainly a guaranteed way to make sure that your creation is seen by millions of people everyday.
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Post by class411 on Dec 10, 2018 19:39:01 GMT
My view is that the Tube man can, and should have, art on it. It's certainly a guaranteed way to make sure that your creation is seen by millions of people everyday. There are a lot of tube men who are members here. Perhaps you'd better send them the names of some good tattoo parlours. |
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Dec 10, 2018 20:01:12 GMT
My view is that the Tube man can, and should have, art on it. It's certainly a guaranteed way to make sure that your creation is seen by millions of people everyday. There are a lot of tube men who are members here. Perhaps you'd better send them the names of some good tattoo parlours. I was about to say something similar but it would appear that my fellow pedant, 411, has beaten me to it......  |
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Post by rincew1nd on Dec 10, 2018 23:59:24 GMT
Back in the early 80's Tate Britain ('The Tate' as was) had a smaller piece, a square dark blue baize, nicely framed. I often wished I'd had the nerve to stick a notice on the frame saying that the work had been removed for restoration. A similar (if not the same) piece was displayed in Tate Liverpool a few years back. Whilst I accept the physical skill in producing the art may have been limited, there was skill in the choice of colour (and perhaps combined with the medium) as after standing close to the work for a few moments I found myself mesmerised and almost drawn into it. |
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Post by class411 on Dec 11, 2018 8:43:43 GMT
Back in the early 80's Tate Britain ('The Tate' as was) had a smaller piece, a square dark blue baize, nicely framed. I often wished I'd had the nerve to stick a notice on the frame saying that the work had been removed for restoration. A similar (if not the same) piece was displayed in Tate Liverpool a few years back. Whilst I accept the physical skill in producing the art may have been limited, there was skill in the choice of colour (and perhaps combined with the medium) as after standing close to the work for a few moments I found myself mesmerised and almost drawn into it. That's a fair point. For anyone who didn't 'get it' Rothko and Albers both produced painting that were, in essence, just rectangles of colour, but there was so much more going on than that. |
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Post by theblackferret on Dec 11, 2018 20:41:12 GMT
Speaking as someone who's sold 40+ of his own paintings, I've only two queries with the concept. One, of course, why haven't they approached ME yet?  The other-art is purely subjective;struggle as we might, none of us can deliver an objective assessment of what constitutes art, let alone good or bad art. Is that therefore an appropriate subject to be on the Tube Map, which shouldn't be remotely subjective, unless we want to have referenda on a daily basis about which Tube Line's services are going to be serving which termini tomorrow? Might be fun, but.................. |
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Post by John Tuthill on Dec 11, 2018 21:52:36 GMT
Speaking as someone who's sold 40+ of his own paintings, I've only two queries with the concept. One, of course, why haven't they approached ME yet? The other-art is purely subjective;struggle as we might, none of us can deliver an objective assessment of what constitutes art, let alone good or bad art.
Is that therefore an appropriate subject to be on the Tube Map, which shouldn't be remotely subjective, unless we want to have referenda on a daily basis about which Tube Line's services are going to be serving which termini tomorrow? Might be fun, but.................. Reminds me of the 'Smith & Jones' sketch where Mel Smith is behaving to Griff like a pretentious art critic whilst looking at a "Jackson Polllock" type painting, only for the decorators to walk in and take away their dust sheet. Brilliant |
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