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Post by mattdickinson on Nov 9, 2018 13:17:55 GMT
According to the latest Ticketing & Revenue Update, Oyster PAYG should be extended to Hertford North and Epsom next January. (Welwyn Garden City is not mentioned). Stations between Iver and Reading will be placed in the non published zone 15 (F). Oyster at present can only cope with zones up to 15, so any further zones will require modifications. |
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Post by class411 on Nov 9, 2018 14:27:20 GMT
So, will we be moving to eight bit Oyster cards in the future?
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Post by greggygreggygreg on Nov 9, 2018 15:09:26 GMT
Getting ready for TfL to take over the Great Northern Inners and Southern Metro?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2018 20:29:34 GMT
2035 - Edinburgh and Paris join zone 51; zone 51 PAYG cap is set at €0.10 below Eurostar return fare.
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Post by spsmiler on Nov 9, 2018 21:19:20 GMT
2035 - Edinburgh and Paris join zone 51; zone 51 PAYG cap is set at €0.10 below Eurostar return fare. Well if I can get to Paris with an Oyster card then maybe I can travel around Paris using it too? Do Oyster cards have a multi-currency feature? Can it accept euros? Do I need to be concerned with card clash between an Oyster card and a Navigo card*? (I think that the name for the Parisian smart card). * I did try this with an Octopus card and found that card clash was not an issue.
btw, I thought that all first generation Oyster cards were supposed to have been deactivated by now? These are cards without the white letter D in a blue box on their backs.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2018 21:26:24 GMT
By 2035 Oyster and the UK (as the newest EU member) will be using euros.
And 1st generation Oysters still work just fine.
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Post by patrickb on Nov 10, 2018 8:45:11 GMT
By 2035 I'll still be going deaf on 1992TS and checking how much further down the pound has gone in value.
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Post by superteacher on Nov 10, 2018 8:48:02 GMT
Let’s get this back on topic before it descends into farce.
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Post by class411 on Nov 10, 2018 9:45:58 GMT
Is there an intended ultimate outer bound for the Oyster system?
Although there is no reason why it couldn't handle point to point fares, and thus work anywhere, they would need to do something about the already iniquitous 'maximum fare' system.
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Post by superteacher on Nov 10, 2018 10:36:22 GMT
Is there an intended ultimate outer bound for the Oyster system? Although there is no reason why it couldn't handle point to point fares, and thus work anywhere, they would need to do something about the already iniquitous 'maximum fare' system. And increase the maximum fare payable for incomplete journeys to a ridiculous amount to deter long distance travellers from “forgetting” to touch in or out! |
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Post by phil on Nov 10, 2018 10:50:50 GMT
Is there an intended ultimate outer bound for the Oyster system? Although there is no reason why it couldn't handle point to point fares, and thus work anywhere, they would need to do something about the already iniquitous 'maximum fare' system. And increase the maximum fare payable for incomplete journeys to a ridiculous amount to deter long distance travellers from “forgetting” to touch in or out! As I understand it, Oyster works by taking the maximum amount from your account when you start your journey then refunds the overpayment when you touch out.
This is fine for fairly low amounts of money - but the further out from London you go, the higher fares get and grater is the time between touching in and touching out.
There was an incident where a lady ended up incurring all sorts of bank charges because a supermarket 'pay at pump' setup was changed to work on a similar basis as Oyster and pulled £99 (rather than the usual £1) from the ladys account causing her to go overdrawn.
At the moment, the maximum fare taken by Oyster is relatively small and unlikely to cause financial issues to most people.
With many unrestricted rail tickets well into double or even treble figures on some InterCity routes, the Oyster method of processing payments becomes unacceptable.
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Post by mattdickinson on Nov 10, 2018 10:59:23 GMT
Is there an intended ultimate outer bound for the Oyster system? Although there is no reason why it couldn't handle point to point fares, and thus work anywhere, they would need to do something about the already iniquitous 'maximum fare' system. And increase the maximum fare payable for incomplete journeys to a ridiculous amount to deter long distance travellers from “forgetting” to touch in or out! The answer in Denmark is to have a setting on the card for local or national journeys, settable at TVMs, which alters the initial entry charge from DKK 70 (about £8) to DKK 600 (about £70). www.rejsekort.dk/koeb-rejsekort/sammenlign-rejsekort/rejsekort-anonymt/landsdaekkende-rejser-med-rejsekort-anonymt.aspx |
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Post by class411 on Nov 10, 2018 11:27:15 GMT
Is there an intended ultimate outer bound for the Oyster system? Although there is no reason why it couldn't handle point to point fares, and thus work anywhere, they would need to do something about the already iniquitous 'maximum fare' system. And increase the maximum fare payable for incomplete journeys to a ridiculous amount to deter long distance travellers from “forgetting” to touch in or out! Exactly. That's why I said included the last clause. |
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Post by mattdickinson on Nov 10, 2018 15:28:59 GMT
Contactless and Oyster PAYG is due to launch mid-November on Heathrow Express. Upgrades to Business First will be available on board, which I think is a first for contactless or Oyster PAYG. |
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Post by spsmiler on Nov 10, 2018 16:34:20 GMT
Contactless and Oyster PAYG is due to launch mid-November on Heathrow Express. Upgrades to Business First will be available on board, which I think is a first for contactless or Oyster PAYG. It will be interesting to see how it works.
For instance, will extra payment need to be made using a different payment technology? (cash / bank card?) Or will a second fare be charged to an Oystercard?
A few days ago I was in Hong Kong and here passengers wishing to travel first class on the former KCR railway route (this is the only route that offers first class) can pay the supplement by using special first class Octopus* smart card readers located on station platforms and also at card readers located on the outside of the carriage end doors (ie: the doors which lead to the next carriage when walking through the train).
*Octopus is the name of their smart card system / their equivalent of Oyster.
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Post by jukes on Nov 10, 2018 16:40:32 GMT
According to the latest Ticketing & Revenue Update, Oyster PAYG should be extended to Hertford North and Epsom next January. (Welwyn Garden City is not mentioned). Stations between Iver and Reading will be placed in the non published zone 15 (F). Oyster at present can only cope with zones up to 15, so any further zones will require modifications. Strange to assign all stations between Iver and Reading to 'ghost' zone 15, rather than graduate them. For example Iver 10, Langley 11, Slough 12, Burnham 13, Taplow 14 and Maidenhead to Reading 15. Currently the PAYG ghost zones contain the following: Chafford Hundred, Purfleet, Ockenden, Grays and Watford Junction - Zone 10, Broxbourne, Hertford East, Rye House, St Margarets (Herts) and Ware - Zone 11, Shenfield - Zone 12, Earlswood (Surrey), Horley, Merstham, Redhill and Salfords - Zone 13, Gatwick Airport - Zone 14. It will be interesting to see how Epsom, Cuffley, Bayford and Hertford North are ghost zoned. I would imagine Hertford North will be in 11 in common with Hertford East. As for Epsom perhaps 6 in common with Epsom Downs or possibly 7. As for stations to WGC they are supposed to be 'Oystered' as well as stations up to Luton as per the original Thameslink programme. |
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Post by melikepie on Dec 1, 2018 10:23:59 GMT
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 1, 2018 10:46:10 GMT
Still no Shepperton thpough
Luton and Stevenage have Inter City services, which starts to raise more revenue-sharing issues. WGC and Hertford North are the usual limits of the Moorgate (Northern City) line services (a handful continue from Hertford to Watton-at-Stone and Stevenage).
A news report on the local Epsom press said that there was not the funding for Epsom to be in Zone 6.
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Post by snoggle on Dec 1, 2018 13:03:19 GMT
I think Norbitonflyer is correct when he cites revenue allocation and revenue protection issues. Inter City TOCs really don't want anything to do with Oyster if they can avoid it. Sadly Stevenage and Luton bring in LNER and EMT services even if the numbers of trains per hour are small. It's a pity they can't make it "GTR trains only" but I guess they can't police that effectively. I understand that the extension of Oyster PAYG to these extra TOC locations has been delayed because the TOCs are still in negotiation with TfL over how revenue allocation will be affected by the extension as I guess it must change the balance of ticket types purchased (and thus revenue). I suspect that the extension of Oyster will probably be revenue positive but the TOCs will, no doubt, be demanding that they are never worse off as a result of a change in ticketing technology. It's a shame about Luton being excluded as being able to use PAYG to there would be helpful to me - anything to avoid the ticket office queues at St Pancras. |
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Post by melikepie on Dec 1, 2018 18:29:29 GMT
I think Norbitonflyer is correct when he cites revenue allocation and revenue protection issues. Inter City TOCs really don't want anything to do with Oyster if they can avoid it. Sadly Stevenage and Luton bring in LNER and EMT services even if the numbers of trains per hour are small. A small number of EMTs also call at Luton Airport |
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Post by snoggle on Dec 1, 2018 18:46:22 GMT
I think Norbitonflyer is correct when he cites revenue allocation and revenue protection issues. Inter City TOCs really don't want anything to do with Oyster if they can avoid it. Sadly Stevenage and Luton bring in LNER and EMT services even if the numbers of trains per hour are small. A small number of EMTs also call at Luton Airport Ah didn't know that. Still I think revenue issues sit behind trying to avoid long distance TOCs getting rolled up into Oyster - avoids having to equip hundreds of "guards" (or whatever their title is these days) with Oyster card readers and tries to reduce the number of parties involved in revenue allocation. I'm assuming here that the modern ticket issuing kit that guards on Inter City routes have these days is not Oyster capable - I am pretty out of date with the portable tech that they now use. |
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Post by melikepie on Dec 1, 2018 19:07:51 GMT
I can also think of subsequent examples of where Oyster has been extended to stations (or will be) with Intercity services: Watford Junction, Slough, Reading, Shenfield. I'm sure there are others.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 1, 2018 19:19:51 GMT
Isn't Watford Junction pick up / set down only for West Coast services.
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Post by croxleyn on Dec 1, 2018 21:36:07 GMT
Isn't Watford Junction pick up / set down only for West Coast services. In years past, since tickets had been checked on southbound services (and there wasn't time to do this for the whole train after Watford), there was no need for any barriers at Euston, and platforms well away from the suburban group were used. I don't know about the current setup. |
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Post by superteacher on Dec 2, 2018 8:17:23 GMT
I can also think of subsequent examples of where Oyster has been extended to stations (or will be) with Intercity services: Watford Junction, Slough, Reading, Shenfield. I'm sure there are others. Pretty sure no inter city services call at Shenfield. |
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Post by 35b on Dec 2, 2018 8:58:10 GMT
I can also think of subsequent examples of where Oyster has been extended to stations (or will be) with Intercity services: Watford Junction, Slough, Reading, Shenfield. I'm sure there are others. Pretty sure no inter city services call at Shenfield. And if they did, are the same TOC as the other non LO/TFL services. Which is very different from the other examples, where the inter city TOC is a core part of the service pattern (especially LNER at Stevenage). |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 22:00:05 GMT
Any news of Oyster being launched on Heathrow Express?
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Post by goldenarrow on Dec 2, 2018 22:25:36 GMT
Any news of Oyster being launched on Heathrow Express? I believe that the plans still stands for Heathrow EXP to accept Oyster and Contactless from the next timetable change, December 20th 2018 at latest. |
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Post by snoggle on Dec 2, 2018 23:12:09 GMT
Any news of Oyster being launched on Heathrow Express? I believe that the plans still stands for Heathrow EXP to accept Oyster and Contactless from the next timetable change, December 20th 2018. Isn't the timetable change date 9th Dec? That's certainly the date on the updated Overground timetables on the TfL website. There's no great splash yet on the HEX website - just a news article from late October. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 23:45:25 GMT
I had a look on their site but couldn’t find anything, I was under the impression the timetable change was on the 9th as well.
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