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Post by goldenarrow on Dec 3, 2018 8:37:39 GMT
I believe that the plans still stands for Heathrow EXP to accept Oyster and Contactless from the next timetable change, December 20th 2018. Isn't the timetable change date 9th Dec? That's certainly the date on the updated Overground timetables on the TfL website. There's no great splash yet on the HEX website - just a news article from late October. I had a look on their site but couldn’t find anything, I was under the impression the timetable change was on the 9th as well. You’re both right, I cut my message off early as I was about to go underground. A circular sent round the various transport related departments at Heathrow (of which I work in one) from November states that Oyster/Contactless capabilities should be accepted by Heathrow EXP by Dec 20th. Ticket barriers at T5 have been active with those capabilities since May 20th. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Dec 3, 2018 10:26:54 GMT
Internal TfL fares advice says PAYG Oyster on Heathrow Express was available from 22 November.
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Post by goldenarrow on Dec 3, 2018 10:30:27 GMT
Internal TfL fares advice says PAYG Oyster on Heathrow Express was available from 22 November. The bulletins that Heathrow provide are known for being notoriously vague. I plan on taking my lunch break today with some colleagues and friends who work with them so watch this space as I’m sure they’ll be able to clear this up. |
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Post by snoggle on Dec 3, 2018 12:05:16 GMT
Internal TfL fares advice says PAYG Oyster on Heathrow Express was available from 22 November. The bulletins that Heathrow provide are known for being notoriously vague. I plan on taking my lunch break today with some colleagues and friends who work with them so watch this space as I’m sure they’ll be able to clear this up. Given the constraints imposed by the annual fares revision process I suspect TfL did all the requisite changes for HEX and "activated" them within its systems from 22 November. However if HEX don't switch their bits on at Paddington then it doesn't work. I think HEX will have to switch on before we get to 2 Jan because then another set of fares tables kicks in system wide for the new 2019 fares. I'd also guess they'd quite like to have Oyster / Contactless up and running for the Christmas get away too. I suspect it is the separate gateline at Paddington Mainline that is the thing that triggers a journey to be by HEX rather than TfL Rail. This is the same concept that applies with Gatwick Express at Victoria and, in a slightly different way, with South Eastern Hi-Speed at St Pancras and Stratford International. Nice to see that priv PAYG will also work on HEX - I may even be tempted to take an off peak ride. I've only ridden HEX once in the very early days when it wasn't quite so extortionately priced. |
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Post by goldenarrow on Dec 3, 2018 16:45:09 GMT
The bulletins that Heathrow provide are known for being notoriously vague. I plan on taking my lunch break today with some colleagues and friends who work with them so watch this space as I’m sure they’ll be able to clear this up. Given the constraints imposed by the annual fares revision process I suspect TfL did all the requisite changes for HEX and "activated" them within its systems from 22 November. However if HEX don't switch their bits on at Paddington then it doesn't work. I think HEX will have to switch on before we get to 2 Jan because then another set of fares tables kicks in system wide for the new 2019 fares. I'd also guess they'd quite like to have Oyster / Contactless up and running for the Christmas get away too. I suspect it is the separate gateline at Paddington Mainline that is the thing that triggers a journey to be by HEX rather than TfL Rail. This is the same concept that applies with Gatwick Express at Victoria and, in a slightly different way, with South Eastern Hi-Speed at St Pancras and Stratford International. Nice to see that priv PAYG will also work on HEX - I may even be tempted to take an off peak ride. I've only ridden HEX once in the very early days when it wasn't quite so extortionately priced. Internal TfL fares advice says PAYG Oyster on Heathrow Express was available from 22 November. The bulletins that Heathrow provide are known for being notoriously vague. I plan on taking my lunch break today with some colleagues and friends who work with them so watch this space as I’m sure they’ll be able to clear this up. , Spot on with regards to the gate line at Paddington which should have the finishing touches applied by the end of this working week. Staff were briefed on the changes months ago and were told from Monday 10th Dec onwards. Heathrow Exp were never over the moon about Oyster/Contactless I can only assume they bit the bullet for revenue control reasons at Heathrow and to stave off a projected downfall in passenger numbers when Crossrail opens up with the full service. More information is due to be released publicly in the next few days. |
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Post by superteacher on Dec 3, 2018 17:57:45 GMT
The bulletins that Heathrow provide are known for being notoriously vague. I plan on taking my lunch break today with some colleagues and friends who work with them so watch this space as I’m sure they’ll be able to clear this up. Given the constraints imposed by the annual fares revision process I suspect TfL did all the requisite changes for HEX and "activated" them within its systems from 22 November. However if HEX don't switch their bits on at Paddington then it doesn't work. I think HEX will have to switch on before we get to 2 Jan because then another set of fares tables kicks in system wide for the new 2019 fares. I'd also guess they'd quite like to have Oyster / Contactless up and running for the Christmas get away too. I suspect it is the separate gateline at Paddington Mainline that is the thing that triggers a journey to be by HEX rather than TfL Rail. This is the same concept that applies with Gatwick Express at Victoria and, in a slightly different way, with South Eastern Hi-Speed at St Pancras and Stratford International. Nice to see that priv PAYG will also work on HEX - I may even be tempted to take an off peak ride. I've only ridden HEX once in the very early days when it wasn't quite so extortionately priced. Only used it once and didn’t pay a penny! No, wasn’t fare dodging but in the early days it was a named alternative when the Picc had engineering works affecting the Heathrow service. |
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Post by jukes on Dec 3, 2018 18:49:46 GMT
Still no Shepperton thpough Luton and Stevenage have Inter City services, which starts to raise more revenue-sharing issues. WGC and Hertford North are the usual limits of the Moorgate (Northern City) line services (a handful continue from Hertford to Watton-at-Stone and Stevenage). A news report on the local Epsom press said that there was not the funding for Epsom to be in Zone 6. There will be a further extension of Oyster if and when GN Metro is transferred to London Overground. In that case Oyster will at least be extended to Watton-at-Stone but probably to Stevenage too with the usual 'LO only trains' albeit with an additional via Hertford North only tagged onto the proviso. This proviso is also used to/from Watford Junction (LO trains only) and to/from Shenfield, in that case TfL Rail trains only! If LO does take over GN Metro, then Freedom Passes will also be extended to WGC and Stevenage via HNorth with the LO trains only etc proviso. As regards Epsom the MP for that town has long been a patron (albeit inactive) of the campaign to extend Oyster - such a coincidence he is the current Secretsry of State forTransport - who can now claim to have kept his promise even though pax using the station will not benefit from actually being in Zone 6 which is only 980m north of the station!!!! |
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Post by stapler on Dec 4, 2018 8:29:13 GMT
The Ewell stations were put in z6, even though they are in Surrey, not Greater London (as with Epping-Buckhurst Hill in Essex)
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Post by Dstock7080 on Dec 4, 2018 8:46:56 GMT
Internal TfL fares advice says PAYG Oyster on Heathrow Express was available from 22 November. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 4, 2018 11:56:54 GMT
The Ewell stations were put in z6, even though they are in Surrey, not Greater London (as with Epping-Buckhurst Hill in Essex) The only other station in the borough of Epsom & Ewell, Stoneleigh, is the only station in Surrey that is in Zone 5. The parliamentary constituency of the same name is bigger than the borough, and includes four other stations: Banstead, Epsom Downs and Tattenham Corner are also in Zone 6, leaving Ashtead as the only one outside Oysterland. Assuming Kwasi Karteng's current portfolio at DExEU will no longer be needed after March 29th, can he move to Transport? That seems to be Shepperton's best hope for getting Oyster! |
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Post by greggygreggygreg on Dec 4, 2018 12:09:52 GMT
I presume when it says TfL staff with PRIV rate Oystercards will be given 75% discount, it really means anyone with a PRIV discount loaded onto their Oystercard?
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Post by snoggle on Dec 5, 2018 13:21:24 GMT
Well here's something that's a bit interesting. www.railwaygazette.com/news/news/uk/single-view/view/oyster-and-contactless-payment-to-be-extended-further-outside-london.htmlNow the extension to Hertford North / Epsom is not exactly news. The bit that is suprising is the reference to a consultation in 2019 about extending Oyster PAYG to more stations outside Greater London. I can't find the announcement on the DfT website so can't go to the source. There appears to be a growing realisation at the DfT that having more accurate journey pattern info from the use of smart ticketing brings benefits. I also assume that DfT are happy to exploit the enhanced capability in the Oyster system that has been put in place for Crossrail. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 5, 2018 16:17:57 GMT
I also assume that DfT are happy to exploit the enhanced capability in the Oyster system that has been put in place for Crossrail. Well, that alone will add eight stations outside London to Oysterland. |
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Dec 5, 2018 22:05:14 GMT
Internal TfL fares advice says PAYG Oyster on Heathrow Express was available from 22 November. Would this potentially mean that users with Zip Cards can use the HEX free of charge? |
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Post by goldenarrow on Feb 8, 2019 17:40:16 GMT
A snippet from this weeks travel supplement for Heathrow: Oh and to answer AndrewPSSP 's question, 5-10 and 11-15 Zip Oysters users can travel free, but 16+ and 18+ Student card holders will need to pay the full adult rate at £25 Peak or £22 Off-peak. |
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Post by snoggle on Feb 19, 2019 14:56:16 GMT
Confirmation that Oyster PAYG on HEX is now live. |
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Post by goldenarrow on Feb 23, 2019 14:12:13 GMT
Epsom joins the Oyster/Contactless PAYG group from Monday (25th Feb). Same exemptions to travel cards and freedom passes as seen at Merstham, Redhill, Earlswood, Salfords, Horley and Gatwick Airport.
Also a hint at where PAYG could be heading next:
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Post by superteacher on Feb 23, 2019 14:25:30 GMT
Epsom joins the Oyster/Contactless PAYG group from Monday (25th Feb). Same exemptions to travel cards and freedom passes as seen at Merstham, Redhill, Earlswood, Salfords, Horley and Gatwick Airport. What sort of premium will be charged when compared to the zone 6 stations at Epsom Downs and Tattenham Corner? |
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Post by goldenarrow on Feb 23, 2019 14:48:30 GMT
Epsom joins the Oyster/Contactless PAYG group from Monday (25th Feb). Same exemptions to travel cards and freedom passes as seen at Merstham, Redhill, Earlswood, Salfords, Horley and Gatwick Airport. What sort of premium will be charged when compared to the zone 6 stations at Epsom Downs and Tattenham Corner? Judging by what has been reported in the local press, Southern (GTR) have simply rolled this out as an alternative method of payment given that Oyster season tickets cannot be purchased which suggests to me that the peak time fare to a London Terminal of £7.70 will stick although there could be a possible off-peak concession to £6.30 which would bring it into line with the other zone orphan stations in Surrey between Merstham and Gatwick. |
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Post by class411 on Feb 23, 2019 17:32:13 GMT
What is happening to the 'open journey' charge as Oyster is available on more and more expensive journeys?
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Post by snoggle on Feb 25, 2019 11:05:08 GMT
Oyster PAYG has now reached Epsom as of 25 Feb 2019. Sadly there is no info on the TfL Single Fare Finder or brfares.com as to what the fares and daily / weekly caps actually are.  The TfL single fares finder says PAYG will extend to Hertford North from "mid March". |
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Post by mattdickinson on Mar 9, 2019 22:28:52 GMT
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Post by jukes on Mar 10, 2019 16:43:04 GMT
That has been noted and is being followed up with TfL. It might of course just be an interim arrangement until Oyster PAYG is extended to Luton as previously announced. The same TRU also said Oyster is going live at Potters Bar and Brookmans Park which must be interim pending go-live to WGC. |
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Post by goldenarrow on Mar 10, 2019 16:55:12 GMT
superteacher , To answer your original question Epsom to a Zone 1 National Rail station is £7.30 (peak time 90p dearer than Ep Downs) and £5.10 (off peak £1 dearer than Ep Downs). snoggle , The PDF on TfL's National Rail "Travel beyond Zone 9" page states that the PAYG Zones 1-6 (for Epsom) daily peak time cap is £18.30, off peak £12.90 and weekley capping (for contactless only) stands at £91.50
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Post by adamskiodp on Mar 11, 2019 7:27:13 GMT
I vaguely remember that Oyster was planned to come as far as Aylesbury some years ago. What happened?
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Post by rincew1nd on Mar 11, 2019 16:49:05 GMT
I vaguely remember that Oyster was planned to come as far as Aylesbury some years ago. What happened? Politics and pennies (or lack of). |
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Post by melikepie on Mar 29, 2019 22:09:14 GMT
Does anyone know when Oyster will be accepted to Hertford North? The TFL website give the oyster prices. They originally said oyster was going to be installed mid March. It is late March. The oyster readers are there but out of action.
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Post by goldenarrow on Mar 29, 2019 22:12:28 GMT
Does anyone know when Oyster will be accepted to Hertford North? The TFL website give the oyster prices. They originally said oyster was going to be installed mid March. It is late March. The oyster readers are there but out of action. According to Twitter, Oyster was trialled from Hertford North this working week. The single fare finder now says early April but I’m not going to hold them to that. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 31, 2019 10:26:21 GMT
Does anyone know when Oyster will be accepted to Hertford North? The TFL website give the oyster prices. They originally said oyster was going to be installed mid March. It is late March. The oyster readers are there but out of action. According to Twitter, Oyster was trialled from Hertford North this working week. The single fare finder now says early April but I’m not going to hold them to that. Was supposed to be Mon 25 February for Hertford North, Bayford and Cuffley but was postponed and is now planned to go ahead on Tue 2 April. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Apr 3, 2019 8:53:32 GMT
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