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Post by xtmw on Dec 15, 2023 19:02:51 GMT
Blue for priority seat does not look good when other seats are red. Grey and red go together well - not blue and red. Really? ... |
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Post by miff on Dec 15, 2023 19:04:06 GMT
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Post by jimbo on Dec 15, 2023 19:20:50 GMT
1 train a month will take 7 years to complete, but claim is 4 years, so must further ramp up delivery as they get into it.
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Post by trainwizard on Dec 15, 2023 21:05:03 GMT
Blue for priority seat does not look good when other seats are red. Grey and red go together well - not blue and red. Completely disagree, I think the priority seats look absolutely amazing! |
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Post by d7666 on Dec 15, 2023 22:21:11 GMT
Blue for priority seat does not look good when other seats are red. Grey and red go together well - not blue and red. Surely the point is NOT to go together but to stand out ? |
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Post by jimbo on Dec 15, 2023 22:25:12 GMT
So 4 years will take us to 2028, the latest target date for CLIP. Presume the Central Line will be without a full fleet until then to provide the service level envisaged 30 years back. And a return to full speed running must await all trains completed for compatibility, so also a 4 year wait, at least!
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Post by roman80 on Dec 16, 2023 6:43:27 GMT
What is the policy re arm rests on the 92 stock? I happened to move to London in early 1994 and the Central was my local line then. I recall these sets were introduced with arm rests, but then they were removed a couple of years later. Meanwhile 96 stock and subsequent stock like S have them. What was the reason for removing them on the 92 stock and not putting them back at the refurb when other lines appear to consistently have them?
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Post by exwatfordian on Dec 17, 2023 20:56:10 GMT
A video, which has surfaced on 'the Central Line Past & Present' Facebook group, had shown an announcement play, I assume, when the destination is set to Ongar: Oops, perhaps someone forgot the fact Ongar closed on the 30 September, not 30 March, 1994? Also appears on Youtube: |
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Post by ijmad on Dec 17, 2023 21:04:32 GMT
That's pretty funny, perhaps a ghost in the machine left from where old interfaces with new?
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Post by aslefshrugged on Dec 18, 2023 12:39:02 GMT
You can enter "Ongar" on the destination dot matrix - unless the update has removed the code
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Post by xtmw on Dec 18, 2023 21:35:19 GMT
Looking at the new DVA files, there isn't an 'Ongar' audio file. Interestingly there is a 'This is a Central Line train to Bank' file.
As shrugged said, it might still be possible to enter it onto the new destination screen, however, it wouldn't play anything destination wise because there isn't an audio file.
Can the current voice announcement system say this train terminates at Ongar?
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Post by Alight on Dec 19, 2023 0:04:56 GMT
Unlikely. The Emma recordings were done in 2003 and so Ongar would have long since been gone.
This new Ongar announcement is merely a manually-selectable "Easter egg" goody from Adrian Hiatt, the voiceover. Sidenote, there's no guarantee it will still be him voicing the trains following this trial period because TfL may act on the feedback to have a female voice instead, which I agree with.
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Post by miff on Dec 19, 2023 8:33:47 GMT
What feedback?
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Post by Alight on Dec 19, 2023 13:27:33 GMT
TfL statement:
"These announcements are temporary and are being used for testing purposes on the refurbished Central line trains. Therefore, please be advised that the contents may not reflect our latest customer language and/or insights as they have been recorded for use over a limited time period. We are also actively exploring the use of a female voice for permanent use on the refurbished Central line trains, which will better reflect our customer research findings."
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Post by ijmad on Dec 19, 2023 14:00:38 GMT
Personally I really like the mixed male/female voices they use on the Barcelona metro which go, <male> next station <female> station name.
It really helps you pick out the detail and ignore the chaff.
I wonder if they've ever considered that for tube announcements.
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Post by Alight on Dec 19, 2023 16:20:06 GMT
I suspect that's what they'll end up doing, not least because Adrian is in house so readily available to update messaging.
In terms of other lines, notwithstanding "see it, say it, sorted", only the Jubilee line used a male and female combo between 1997 and 2017.
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Post by f73a on Dec 19, 2023 16:52:52 GMT
Don't the S stock use a male for the "mind the gap" portion of the announcements?
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Post by exwatfordian on Dec 19, 2023 21:42:52 GMT
Even more so, isn't Adrian the S Stock's "mind the gap" announcer? If so, I reckon TfL would have experience with him anyway.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Dec 20, 2023 10:38:03 GMT
Looking at the new DVA files, there isn't an 'Ongar' audio file. Interestingly there is a 'This is a Central Line train to Bank' file. As shrugged said, it might still be possible to enter it onto the new destination screen, however, it wouldn't play anything destination wise because there isn't an audio file. Can the current voice announcement system say this train terminates at Ongar? No announcement, just "Ongar" displayed on the front and back I'm guessing the "Bank" announcement would allow eastbound trains to terminate at Bank and reverse at Liverpool Street if Liverpool Street were closed although I've never done that in 20 years. Probably didn't think it was a good idea before Bank/Monument was expanded. We currently have a "Tottenham Court Road" option as we used to be able to reverse via Museum sidings if Holborn were closed which I did once. |
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Post by t697 on Dec 20, 2023 16:28:36 GMT
Even more so, isn't Adrian the S Stock's "mind the gap" announcer? If so, I reckon TfL would have experience with him anyway. No, the current S stock Mind the Gap message isn't Adrian. Adrian did voice the Covid mask etc. messages and the latest See it. Say it. Sorted. message available on S stock, all triggered remotely from Service Control when needed. |
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Post by d7666 on Dec 20, 2023 18:43:37 GMT
What is the policy re arm rests on the 92 stock? I happened to move to London in early 1994 and the Central was my local line then. I recall these sets were introduced with arm rests, but then they were removed a couple of years later. Meanwhile 96 stock and subsequent stock like S have them. What was the reason for removing them on the 92 stock and not putting them back at the refurb when other lines appear to consistently have them? They suffered from vandalism at an early stage, when it was found vandals could break broke them easily under little deliberately applied tension. |
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Post by chilsie on Dec 21, 2023 13:02:54 GMT
Out of curiosity, is there any plan for the new announcement system to be able to replicate the disruption announcements from the 09TS?
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Post by spsmiler on Dec 29, 2023 14:08:03 GMT
Whats the present situation with the clip train?
Is it ever out and about - or is this info still strictly embargoed?
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Post by jimbo on Dec 29, 2023 18:18:36 GMT
FOI-2999-2324 Central Line Refurbishment/Improvement Programme Interiors of 15 December 2023 makes it sound like the new seating is an after-thought, with the first train only a trial, and volume production some time off. They are only inviting tenders in the first quarter of 2024, then have to award the contract and allow time for delivery! link |
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Post by miff on Dec 29, 2023 21:11:14 GMT
The new moquette is a late change - a previous FOI (May '23) said the moquette, apart from the priority seats, would be replaced with new material of the existing design.
I also wonder whether the slow ramping up to volume production is due, at least partially, to financial constraints. Perhaps a big chunk of this expenditure could not be authorised before TfL's latest funding-agreement was finalised by the Gov't which might mean various parts of the programme can't really get going until the 24/25 financial year, too late to get the budgets through in the current one.
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Post by gefw on Jan 1, 2024 11:59:47 GMT
Whats the present situation with the clip train? Is it ever out and about - or is this info still strictly embargoed? Unfortunately it seems that the first train is not handed back for "general use" (due to ongoing works/tweaks, and operational readiness) Perhaps this is the March 2024 milestone? Any current "trips out" appear are test runs staffed by project staff but authorised to carry passengers. As ever a subtilty in defining and achieving a project milestone - but never the less a very good move for getting public attention and project team focus/energy |
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Post by gefw on Jan 1, 2024 15:39:03 GMT
The new moquette is a late change - a previous FOI (May '23) said the moquette, apart from the priority seats, would be replaced with new material of the existing design. I also wonder whether the slow ramping up to volume production is due, at least partially, to financial constraints. Perhaps a big chunk of this expenditure could not be authorised before TfL's latest funding-agreement was finalised by the Gov't which might mean various parts of the programme can't really get going until the 24/25 financial year, too late to get the budgets through in the current one. I believe/expect that at this stage in the project much of internal resourcing (including "fitment" workforce at Acton) and contractual commitments for development & supply of "kits of parts/systems" are already in place - so delaying/extending the project will undoubtedly increase the final cost (but I take your point that it might help cash flow). Also note I think this is a "reliability & enhancement" type project covered in the Revenue Budget. The discussions with Gov't are about the "Capital projects" budget - which again appears only to support existing major project commitments for the next 6 - 9 months. |
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Post by xtmw on Jan 22, 2024 14:55:14 GMT
Rapid! (not my video)
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Post by xtmw on Jan 24, 2024 12:08:38 GMT
I thought I'd post this here...
I was speaking to someone I know and apparently they're having trouble with the refurbished train whilst on test runs. Whoops....
Can anyone confirm this rumors or is it just rumors?
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Post by A60stock on Jan 24, 2024 12:59:21 GMT
Ofcourse hindsight is a great thing but I do really think with some structured planning and adequate funding, TFL really should have considered replacing the 72ts, the 73ts and the 92ts at the same time with one single order, benefiting from the "bulk" saving principle.
I dont know how long previous central line fleets have lasted but I think (especially given todays intense service demands compared to yesteryear), that 30-35 years should be the expected lifespan of a central line fleet given how intensely worked any fleet would be on the line. Bare in mind that the 62ts before that (which did not need to meet as much of an intense service level), were replaced in after 33 years.
I dont know what is to come but at some point both this fleet and the bakerloo will need to be replaced, and ultimately, kicking the can down the road will only result in more money having to be spent for both the short run and long run.
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