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Post by Chris L on Nov 17, 2023 6:17:41 GMT
It has been stated on here that full colour passenger information screens can't be supported by the power arrangements on the trains. Still a shame that they didn't opt for white dot units. |
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Post by brigham on Nov 17, 2023 8:54:27 GMT
Nice to see the work taking place in-house, but I'm not so sure about Acton Depot opening two years ago...
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Post by Chris L on Nov 17, 2023 10:33:05 GMT
Nice to see the work taking place in-house, but I'm not so sure about Acton Depot opening two years ago... The new workshop was built for the such projects and opened 2 years ago. |
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Post by A60stock on Nov 17, 2023 11:04:13 GMT
Has anyone got any pictures of the polished up livery, which has been done instead of a full re-liver.
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Post by coldplayfan18 on Nov 17, 2023 12:28:26 GMT
Are there any pictures of the trains ready to go into service, rather than just the ones from mid way through works showing the seats ripped up and wires everywhere?
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Post by d7666 on Nov 17, 2023 13:07:39 GMT
This week and last week I had the pleasure of working at the Acton works site; each lunch break walk across to the canteen took me close to the CLIP shed, that is, as close as you can get using official walkways. I was hoping to see at least /something/ to report. But nay.  Doors securely closed on all 4 roads, no windows to see anything, and nothing parked outside. Or perhaps seeing nothing is something to report ? => no news = good news ?  |
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Post by A60stock on Nov 17, 2023 16:43:33 GMT
If these are due in service in around a fortnight, I am quite surprised that there are no final pictures. It is as if TFL are trying to keep this some sort of top secret?!
We have seen more of the 2024 stock - those are what you call something of great anticipation given the technology advancements on these trains.
This project is just refurbished trains which are 30+ years old! I am pretty sure the refurbs of the 90s incorporated bigger changes?
Maybe there is something more to this to be revealed in due course
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Post by aslefshrugged on Nov 17, 2023 17:39:39 GMT
If these are due in service in around a fortnight, I am quite surprised that there are no final pictures. It is as if TFL are trying to keep this some sort of top secret?! We have seen more of the 2024 stock - those are what you call something of great anticipation given the technology advancements on these trains. This project is just refurbished trains which are 30+ years old! I am pretty sure the refurbs of the 90s incorporated bigger changes? Maybe there is something more to this to be revealed in due course If these are due in service in around a fortnight I am quite surprised that there has been no mention of training us on the Data Transmission System upgrade and the in-car CCTV which I understand we will be able to monitor from the cab The major change will be replacing the old DC motors with AC motors |
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Post by miff on Nov 17, 2023 20:11:20 GMT
If these are due in service in around a fortnight, I am quite surprised that there are no final pictures. It is as if TFL are trying to keep this some sort of top secret?! The Evening Standard tweet says the moquette design and name is being kept under wraps until the train launch date. This implies there’s going to be a ‘launch event’ (at least for the press) therefore you can’t really blame them for keeping the whole train ‘medium secret’ until they’re ready to make a bit of a splash with it. |
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Post by spsmiler on Nov 17, 2023 23:04:32 GMT
It sounds like a big media event. I wonder ... - Will the train then travel in passenger service?
- Or stay at a station for passengers to see it.
- Or even be taken away without real passengers even being allowed to see for themselves?
What makes me wonder this is the comment above by aslefshrugged about not yet having been trained on the Data Transmission System upgrade and the in-car CCTV. |
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Post by xtmw on Nov 19, 2023 17:39:39 GMT
Interesting. Sounds just like an S Stock.
Is it just me or does it look like it's accelerating alot faster?
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Post by metman on Nov 19, 2023 18:39:20 GMT
Yes it does sound similar to an S stock. Not been on the Central Line for a while so can’t remember the acceleration but looks broadly similar?
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Post by occasionaltraveller on Nov 19, 2023 20:18:38 GMT
According to this FoI request from November last year, the moquette "will be replaced by new material of the existing design". Whether that means newly made material in 2022, or just previously unused overstock of 10-year-old Barman moquette from the last refurbishment, I don't know. Priority seats will get the priority seat moquette from the 1996 Stock. Again, probably that they already have plenty of this material in stock. (Actually, isn't it just Barman again?) tfl.gov.uk/corporate/transparency/freedom-of-information/foi-request-detail?referenceId=FOI-1778-2223As for the noise of the drive train, this will be another three-phase AC IGBT [Insulated Gate Bipolar Transistor]-based inverter system, so will sound a lot like the 1995 Stock, the 2009 Stock, and the S Stock. |
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Post by smiffy on Nov 19, 2023 21:26:54 GMT
Is it just me or does it look like it's accelerating alot faster? Definitely seems to be. That first second or two when it starts moving seems dramatically faster. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 20, 2023 0:26:10 GMT
It certainly is moving a lot faster, they were quick before, but this is on another level. It sounds more like the 2009 stock, the S stock still sounds different to that. I put headphones on to get the exact sound.
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Post by spsmiler on Nov 20, 2023 15:09:32 GMT
we need timed trials of station departures - I bet that even through these have longer length trains they will still be faster than the trains on the also fully ATO Northern line
Piccadily and Bakerloo lines should not be included as they still have older trains, are not ATO enabled and especially in the case of the Piccadilly the trains are still derated* to prevent them from accelerating as quickly as their true design permits
*(other less kind words come to mind as well)
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Post by A60stock on Nov 20, 2023 15:47:06 GMT
I have often heard the 73 stock has never operated at its full capability - Which leads me to ask, how quick would they accelerate from a stand still and which stock would it compare well with today?
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Post by t697 on Nov 20, 2023 17:41:53 GMT
I have often heard the 73 stock has never operated at its full capability - Which leads me to ask, how quick would they accelerate from a stand still and which stock would it compare well with today? The 'Not Used' capability in 73TS is twofold: 1. Load weighed adjustment of the notching relay setting in motoring. This would have kept the initial acceleration (i.e. whilst notching) at nominally 1.15m/s^2 throughout most of the passenger load spectrum. Without, the acceleration is less with increasing passenger load. 1.15m/^2 is achieved with a near empty train and this is similar to the initial acceleration of Jubilee and Northern 96TS and 95TS.
2. Two further stages of field weakening. This would provide further acceleration and top speed beyond Full Parallel. I think that would make them fairly comparable with Jubilee 96TS, maybe a bit slower. I've experienced well over 60mi/h with this set-up on a 73TS test train at the north end of the Met for test purposes but of course that was downhill gradient assisted. |
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Post by xtmw on Nov 22, 2023 15:29:47 GMT
Apparently the first passenger service CLIP train will be at Hainault, doing the shuttle to Woodford on Friday. Train will depart 10:30ish.
This post was originally moved under Rule (7.1c) "Making the details of such movements public could cause issues with unplanned overcrowding at stations or other locations". It has been reinstated for archive purposes.
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Post by grumpycat on Nov 23, 2023 5:56:28 GMT
So been hearing rumors about entry service early tomorrow morning. Is that true or no?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Nov 23, 2023 6:42:57 GMT
That rumour is correct however the Forum Rules prevent specific details
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Post by A60stock on Nov 23, 2023 11:52:40 GMT
I really hope they've done something about the paintwork (whether it be a reliver or polish) as all this PR and making it a press event with a train which looks externally tired will not look good!
Somehow I suspect (and am hopeful) TFL aren't telling us something and there was some work done in the few days running up to the launch.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Nov 23, 2023 12:31:25 GMT
you don't agree that in the video posted 19 November that the train looked in slightly better condition than most '92s?
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Post by miff on Nov 23, 2023 13:16:33 GMT
Will that one definitely be the train used for the ‘launch’ or are any of the others nearly ready to enter service?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Nov 23, 2023 13:36:34 GMT
No further trains have been released from Acton Works.
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Post by A60stock on Nov 23, 2023 13:48:15 GMT
you don't agree that in the video posted 19 November that the train looked in slightly better condition than most '92s? I'm not sure, perhaps it's the video and the actual train looks far better in person. But as someone else has pointed out, the roundels aren't haven't even been redone so I assumed this was not the final article in terms of the exterior. To me, it does not look like they have done anything to it to be quite honest but understand something might have been done. Even if it is a "slight" improvement, I would have thought TFL would make the first one look significantly improved (which would help with PR), even if this meant the rest are untouched as they re-enter service. EDIT - I have taken a closer look and see what you mean now. It does look better, but I guess the roundels and the fact one of the doors just as the trains starts moving has some sort of marks on it were what I was focusing on. |
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Post by xtmw on Nov 23, 2023 14:00:50 GMT
I really do think we have to thank the engineers (if they are reading this) for achieving this, despite the challenges of covid and the financial restrictions which have been brought upon TfL, it looks like they've done an amazing job and it'll be better in the long-term for the 92 stock. Very well done and a thank you from commuters to everyone who was apart of this project.
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Post by spsmiler on Nov 23, 2023 22:16:04 GMT
That rumour is correct however the Forum Rules prevent specific details Hmm, full passenger service? All day... or at least until it throws a wobbly and disgraces itself (hopefully not) I might just invest in a paper ticket, go somewhere in Z1 with an island platform and hope that it passes by. I wont have a full day, but hopefully it will take (at most) only a few hours of waiting. |
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Post by xtmw on Nov 24, 2023 11:45:33 GMT
I've taken a look at some videos of the train in action. Looks very nice, with the moquette reminding me of the old red one! We will wait and see until the others have rolled out.
Seems crazy this thread was made 5 years ago. Now we have received our first refurbished train! Very well done to everyone who was involved.
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Post by coldplayfan18 on Nov 24, 2023 12:21:17 GMT
Sorry to lower the tone but what were they thinking with the new announcements??? Emma Clarke is so much better
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Doors securely closed on all 4 roads, no windows to see anything, and nothing parked outside. Or perhaps seeing nothing is something to report ? => no news = good news ? 
