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Post by xtmw on Jun 23, 2023 11:22:28 GMT
If they were to be replaced I suppose they could have done what the 95 stock did when the external destination boards were changed, have it say 'Hainault' then it will scroll to 'via Newbury Park' Not necessary, as there is no longer a Hainault via Woodford service. I said via Newbury Park ! |
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Post by castlebar on Jun 23, 2023 12:44:30 GMT
Not necessary, as there is no longer a Hainault via Woodford service.
.....at the moment
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Post by A60stock on Jun 23, 2023 13:21:07 GMT
I dont understand why tfl spent money on changing the front destination boards on the 95,96 and 73 stocks were changed when they were far better than the ones on the 92s, yet tfl arent bothering with these at all!
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Post by d7666 on Jun 23, 2023 13:55:52 GMT
If they were to be replaced I suppose they could have done what the 95 stock did when the external destination boards were changed, have it say 'Hainault' then it will scroll to 'via Newbury Park' Not necessary, as there is no longer a Hainault via Woodford service. Not necessary ............... until service disruption or engineering blocks demand such a service. Then it is necessary ........ just look at the whining in this forum during blocks or disruption when trains display something different or incomplete. |
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Post by d7666 on Jun 23, 2023 13:58:06 GMT
I dont understand why tfl spent money on changing the front destination boards on the 95,96 and 73 stocks were changed when they were far better than the ones on the 92s, yet tfl arent bothering with these at all! You've possibly answered it yourself. "spend money". There is less to spend these days. "are not bothering with" is more likely "do not have money to spend on". |
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Post by xtmw on Jun 23, 2023 14:05:03 GMT
Not necessary, as there is no longer a Hainault via Woodford service. Not necessary ............... until service disruption or engineering blocks demand such a service. Then it is necessary ........ just look at the whining in this forum during blocks or disruption when trains display something different or incomplete. My point. In February during signal failures at White City and Chancery Lane there were a number of trains going to Liverpool Street, Marble Arch and Hainault via Woodford. This is when it would become necessary. |
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Post by t697 on Jun 23, 2023 15:56:31 GMT
I dont understand why tfl spent money on changing the front destination boards on the 95,96 and 73 stocks were changed when they were far better than the ones on the 92s, yet tfl arent bothering with these at all! The 95TS, 96TS and Refurb 73TS front displays were back lit liquid crystal type. While they may have been adequately readable, they were failing at an increasing rate and Tubelines would have been getting increasing PPP Abatements for non-working displays as a result. Quite a sensible decision to renew them all at the same time and use more reliable LED dot matrix type. |
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Post by brigham on Jun 24, 2023 7:25:10 GMT
Not necessary, as there is no longer a Hainault via Woodford service. .....at the moment You are talking about building-in flexibility here. Not TfL policy. |
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Post by castlebar on Jun 24, 2023 8:24:54 GMT
Not necessary, as there is no longer a Hainault via Woodford service. .....at the moment You are talking about building-in flexibility here. Not TfL policy. Almost - but we're getting to the point of building OUT any flexibility........ and spending money doing it. |
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Post by billbedford on Jun 24, 2023 8:26:37 GMT
My point. In February during signal failures at White City and Chancery Lane there were a number of trains going to Liverpool Street, Marble Arch and Hainault via Woodford. This is when it would become necessary. So there needs to be two destinations on the train front: A clear, readable "Hainault" for normal services and a scrunched up, almost illegible "Hainault via Woodford" for specials. I'm sure people will get used to the difference -- eventually. |
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Post by stapler on Jun 24, 2023 12:35:28 GMT
Not so scrunched as Grange Hill via Woodford was!
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Post by xtmw on Jun 25, 2023 0:26:50 GMT
My point. In February during signal failures at White City and Chancery Lane there were a number of trains going to Liverpool Street, Marble Arch and Hainault via Woodford. This is when it would become necessary. So there needs to be two destinations on the train front: A clear, readable "Hainault" for normal services and a scrunched up, almost illegible "Hainault via Woodford" for specials. I'm sure people will get used to the difference -- eventually. HAINAULT v Woo... rest of it is usually blank  |
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Post by miff on Jun 25, 2023 9:08:46 GMT
Even though it’s the norm “via Newbury Park” may still be helpful to any traveller who doesn’t know which way around the loop their train is expected to go.
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Post by d7666 on Jun 25, 2023 13:20:31 GMT
So there needs to be two destinations on the train front: A clear, readable "Hainault" for normal services and a scrunched up, almost illegible "Hainault via Woodford" for specials. I'm sure people will get used to the difference -- eventually. HAINAULT v Woo... rest of it is usually blank This is where they need the Paris RER style 4 letter word "headcodes". Unique 4 letter code writ big for each possibility. |
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Post by Chris M on Jun 25, 2023 13:24:27 GMT
Which would be significantly less accessible for those unfamiliar with the network than the present offering.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jun 26, 2023 16:28:19 GMT
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Post by jimbo on Jun 27, 2023 4:53:36 GMT
The new indicators appear to be mounted over the curved top of the passenger windows. I wonder if heat from the summer sun will affect their performance or their mountings. Perhaps this summer's trials will show any effects.
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Post by metman on Jun 27, 2023 20:41:21 GMT
That’s a good point. Let’s wait and see how it goes I guess.
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Post by chilsie on Jul 29, 2023 0:37:34 GMT
been a while, just wondering if there’s any new info regarding CLIP?
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Post by jimbo on Jul 31, 2023 21:37:45 GMT
Do we know what the design life of these CLIP modifications are? That will give an indication of when a new Central Line fleet might now be due. The D stock refurbishment had only a short design life, 7 years I recall, although it had to last for 10, and included dot matrix indicators and wheelchair areas. FOI-1206-2324 says: So with Government capital funding currently expiring next March, there is uncertainty as to the rate of train refurbishment into the future, and the Central Line will be short of trains indefinitely. Looks like this fleet will be lasting up to 50 years, and a build of Piccadilly Line style trains could not be justified before that production line is folded. That, of course, assumes that the refurbished trains settle down well! |
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Post by coldplayfan18 on Aug 1, 2023 10:54:42 GMT
What’s the progress on the CLIP trains being tested now? Any predictions for when the first trains will be rolled out into service?
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Post by d7666 on Aug 1, 2023 16:59:30 GMT
Do we know what the design life of these CLIP modifications are? That will give an indication of when a new Central Line fleet might now be due. The D stock refurbishment had only a short design life, 7 years I recall, although it had to last for 10, and included dot matrix indicators and wheelchair areas. FOI-1206-2324 says: So with Government capital funding currently expiring next March, there is uncertainty as to the rate of train refurbishment into the future, and the Central Line will be short of trains indefinitely. Looks like this fleet will be lasting up to 50 years, and a build of Piccadilly Line style trains could not be justified before that production line is folded. That, of course, assumes that the refurbished trains settle down well! Surely the completed CLIP unit is a prototype, to work through all the issues, and, until those issues are all known, the exact required funding is unknown. Testing is not complete => a definitive funding request can not be made ? Likewise further CLIP units to date are probably pre-series, and should incorporate at first hit issues worked through with the prototype => when those jobs have been costed you get to the value needed for funding completion. At least that is how I see it, as an engineer (albeit not a rolling stock engineer) rather than dreaming up political conspiracy theories. |
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Post by stapler on Aug 2, 2023 14:54:29 GMT
Life till the early 2040s? The Central won't even have got them by then....
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Post by coldplayfan18 on Aug 2, 2023 19:30:07 GMT
I can’t lie I do have a feeling that the CLIP project will probably be abandoned at some point.
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Post by grumpycat on Aug 3, 2023 18:48:34 GMT
I can’t lie I do have a feeling that the CLIP project will probably be abandoned at some point. I'm probably guessing the AC motor conversion might be abandoned but the DDA stuff has to go ahead |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Aug 3, 2023 19:52:06 GMT
After the purchase of 2,720 new AC motors?
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Post by jimbo on Aug 3, 2023 20:31:08 GMT
Do they exist yet? Or can the contract be cancelled, with penalties?
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Post by spsmiler on Aug 4, 2023 11:09:55 GMT
but the DDA stuff has to go ahead What if LUL tell the govt that they can only afford this with extra funding and the expected short life of the fleet makes brand new trains more financially worthwhile? |
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Post by miff on Aug 4, 2023 12:42:19 GMT
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Post by jimbo on Aug 5, 2023 5:49:28 GMT
The new indicators appear to be mounted over the curved top of the passenger windows. I wonder if heat from the summer sun will affect their performance or their mountings. Perhaps this summer's trials will show any effects. CLIP works include "brackets to support new saloon displays and window masks fitted" link so hope masks provide some heat protection for the new indicators. |
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