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Post by silenthunter on Apr 12, 2023 19:53:45 GMT
A link shouldn't be an issue, I imagine.
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Post by grumpycat on May 12, 2023 18:53:10 GMT
Any updates? And are the units still getting their AC motor gear?
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Post by chilsie on May 16, 2023 13:12:43 GMT
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Post by smiffy on May 17, 2023 3:11:35 GMT
Hi everyone. Apologies for the late update to my previous post about the FOI request, and cheers for all your advice. I decided not to post the pictures in the end because I wasn't able to see the FOI request on TfL's website (I think for short while there were some issues causing quite a lot of request responses to not show up, unless there's a time lag before they're posted) and I didn't fancy taking even the slightest risk of getting into some form of trouble for sharing them. Either way, I checked today and I can see my request and the photos publicly available to download, so I've got no problem with sharing them now. They're not particularly much that we haven't seen before but here's some of the photos they sent:   I've not included all the photos just to avoid clogging up the thread, but you can download the other 4 from the FOI thread here.Some random (and probably not important) things to note that caught my eye: 1) The new floor vinyl seems to incorporate specks of underground livery colours. Is this a new thing? 2) The grey grab poles above doors have been repainted red. 3) These PIS screens are really eating into that window space, way more than I actually expected even with the previous pictures I saw. 4) CCTV cameras look very small and flat. Are they perhaps 360 cameras like some big shops have started using? |
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Post by brigham on May 17, 2023 7:28:35 GMT
I love the outward-facing seats!
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Post by Alight on May 17, 2023 11:52:56 GMT
Thanks for sharing. The wheelchair bays are reminiscent of what they've done on the W&C line. It's a shame they've opted for that dated colour and not used the opportunity to go for bright white.
I wonder if they'll cover up the door buttons? As much as I find them nostalgic, wouldn't this have been a good opportunity? I can't imagine it would cost a great deal.
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Post by metman on May 17, 2023 21:17:11 GMT
I would imagine a bright white would fade and look very dirty quite quickly. I remember the 1959 stock Northern Line trains got a refresh in the 1990s receiving light cream panels and draught screens. They looked awful extremely quickly.
Regarding the door buttons, you might be surprised at the cost considering the number involved. I expect they are not a priority in these austere times for TFL.
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Post by d7666 on May 17, 2023 21:38:16 GMT
I love the outward-facing seats! Bit like the perch sets around the edge of a MacDonalds. Do refurbled 92TS have buffet cars now then ? |
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Post by AndrewPSSP on May 17, 2023 21:50:57 GMT
I'll have a double cheeseburger.. yes, I would like fries with that  |
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Post by coldplayfan18 on May 18, 2023 8:08:15 GMT
Looking goooood!! Any estimates as to when the first train will be out in service?
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Post by xtmw on May 18, 2023 8:58:28 GMT
Looking goooood!! Any estimates as to when the first train will be out in service? late 2023/2024 |
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 18, 2023 9:08:51 GMT
Thanks for sharing. The wheelchair bays are reminiscent of what they've done on the W&C line. It's a shame they've opted for that dated colour and not used the opportunity to go for bright white. I wonder if they'll cover up the door buttons? As much as I find them nostalgic, wouldn't this have been a good opportunity? I can't imagine it would cost a great deal. The door buttons should be turned on, especially outer London on cold rainy days. No fun at Leytonstone getting soaked with doors open waiting for a crew change. If it operated like the Elizabeth line on outer sections, it would work wonders. The panelling to go around the passenger info screen makes no sense being so low to cover nearly one third of the window. Unless train route diagrams would be moved lower into this position instead of being at the top. |
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Post by d7666 on May 18, 2023 16:11:08 GMT
I wonder if they'll cover up the door buttons? I can't imagine it would cost a great deal. The door buttons should be turned on, especially outer London on cold rainy days. No fun at Leytonstone getting soaked with doors open waiting for a crew change. Lets see now, 85 trains, 60 door apertures per train => 5100 doorways => 10200 button if inside and outside at each. Covering up 10200 door buttons must might not be cost justifiable. Making 10200 door buttons work would be horrendous cost, including (re)activating all the power and proving circuitry and so on. And never mind the maintenance liability. I understand the cold peoples issue in the open air at protracted stops, 700s with doors that auto close after timeout instead of 319s that do not are a vast improvement on my commute, so in principle agree, but TBH not sure if it would make a £.s.d. business case for a train that is already 30 years old, refurblement or not. EDIT : replaced must with might |
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 19, 2023 7:22:24 GMT
Some good news from this project, the first 8-car train for passenger service transferred yesterday from Acton Works to Ruislip depot.
Train will now undergo final maintenance and training prior to entering service later this year.
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Post by chilsie on May 19, 2023 16:23:16 GMT
Hopefully a more specific timeframe can come out in the near future, so I know when to start getting excited!
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Post by chilsie on May 21, 2023 9:24:02 GMT
Just a thought I had regarding CLIP. (and something I likely missed!)
Is it known whether the front of train destination boards will also be getting changed to something similar to those of the 09/S stocks, as part of this project? Asking for the sole reason that I’ve never really found the destination boards on the 92s the easiest to read at the best of times…
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 21, 2023 9:55:46 GMT
No change has been proposed for the external displays
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Post by jimbo on Jun 6, 2023 7:52:20 GMT
Do we know what the design life of these CLIP modifications are? That will give an indication of when a new Central Line fleet might now be due. The D stock refurbishment had only a short design life, 7 years I recall, although it had to last for 10, and included dot matrix indicators and wheelchair areas.
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Post by Alight on Jun 6, 2023 8:54:51 GMT
Regarding the external displays query, I suppose this would be considered a luxury given every platform has a DMI. The only time it may come in hand is if the platform DMI says "check front of train"...
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Post by Chris M on Jun 6, 2023 11:17:21 GMT
it's not always possible to see a DMI from every part of the platform. The eastern end of the eastbound platform at Leytonstone comes to mind - somewhere where knowing the destination of the train is very important.
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Post by A60stock on Jun 6, 2023 11:51:12 GMT
Will these not be getting destination displays on the side of the cars as was done with the D78 stock when refurbished?
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 11, 2023 13:57:51 GMT
Will these not be getting destination displays on the side of the cars as was done with the D78 stock when refurbished? Very much a disappointment, especially how much the internal one encroaches into the window area, there is space to put it behind there. Seems the interior is very much a terrible botched butchers job. The only real improvement imo is the traction change. |
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Post by stapler on Jun 12, 2023 20:42:45 GMT
I think the 92TS is now more decrepit than the 62TS when the same age, And the 62s were due to be replaced when 31,32,33 years old, not to have to soldier on another ten or so years...
There are actually two areas where the 92s are better - no brown ceiling from decades of smokers, and less graffiti damage. But the 62s had far more comfortable seats.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 12, 2023 23:19:59 GMT
The 62 stock had look primitive by the time it hit the 90's The 92 stock looked very futuristic and even now has aged well imo. The 92 stock has done better after 30 years than the 62 stock imo.
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Post by A60stock on Jun 13, 2023 8:52:33 GMT
This is probably in part due to the fact that the 62s were never refurbished or painted into the LUL livery at the time when other stocks of a similar era would have commenced their refurbishment programmes, which would have contributed to the dated look in comparison.
That said, imo, the lack of DMIs inside the 92s has accelerated the stocks dated looks internally. At the time, DMIs inside cars were a feature of stocks of a similar age e.g. class 465/165s etc. Even the refurbished 73ts got dmis and to this day, still looks more modern than the 92s internally. If you ask me, the inside of the 92ts is essentially a (very slightly) glorified 72ts interior.
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Post by Chris W on Jun 13, 2023 19:36:38 GMT
Don't forget that the design of the 59/62 TS was based upon the 38 TS, itself with trailer cars being externally similar to the Standard Stock, built between 1923-37...
By the early 1990's, a 70+ year design would look somewhat tired.. imagine driving around a 1950s car design today....??
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 21, 2023 22:17:57 GMT
This is probably in part due to the fact that the 62s were never refurbished or painted into the LUL livery at the time when other stocks of a similar era would have commenced their refurbishment programmes, which would have contributed to the dated look in comparison. That said, imo, the lack of DMIs inside the 92s has accelerated the stocks dated looks internally. At the time, DMIs inside cars were a feature of stocks of a similar age e.g. class 465/165s etc. Even the refurbished 73ts got dmis and to this day, still looks more modern than the 92s internally. If you ask me, the inside of the 92ts is essentially a (very slightly) glorified 72ts interior. The 92 stock does not look that dated because of a lack of DMI, it looks cleaner. I do not feel these DMI's give a modern touch, it would have looked modern if it had a colour screen indicator like the class 345 etc. The 73 tube stock unrefurbished looked modern still in the 90's compared to the 62 stock. I do miss the 62 stock, I don't miss the funky smell of them though, lol. |
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Post by xtmw on Jun 22, 2023 11:03:35 GMT
Just a thought I had regarding CLIP. (and something I likely missed!) Is it known whether the front of train destination boards will also be getting changed to something similar to those of the 09/S stocks, as part of this project? Asking for the sole reason that I’ve never really found the destination boards on the 92s the easiest to read at the best of times… HAINAULT v Newbur....... Half the time the destination boards on the outside black out. Would have been good if they were replaced because as the text on these longer destinations are very narrow and you can't really see them from a distance If they were to be replaced I suppose they could have done what the 95 stock did when the external destination boards were changed, have it say 'Hainault' then it will scroll to 'via Newbury Park' |
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Post by billbedford on Jun 23, 2023 9:46:11 GMT
If they were to be replaced I suppose they could have done what the 95 stock did when the external destination boards were changed, have it say 'Hainault' then it will scroll to 'via Newbury Park' Not necessary, as there is no longer a Hainault via Woodford service. |
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Post by billbedford on Jun 23, 2023 9:46:46 GMT
If they were to be replaced I suppose they could have done what the 95 stock did when the external destination boards were changed, have it say 'Hainault' then it will scroll to 'via Newbury Park' Not necessary, as there is no longer a Hainault via Woodford service. |
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