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Post by d7666 on Jan 2, 2023 5:23:51 GMT
Ok. I also read that the motors are made in Sweden instead of UK Pretty sure all Bombardier motors have been from SWeden for years now. |
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Post by d7666 on Jan 2, 2023 21:47:54 GMT
Old press release from 2017 from Bombardier when retractioning annuonced bombardier.com/en/media/news/bombardier-wins-contract-supply-new-propulsion-technology-london-undergroundincludung QUOTE .... The project will be led from Bombardier’s Västeras site in Sweden, .... UNQUOTE Today read Alstom vice Bombardier. Västeras historically was the HQ of ASEA; these things got pretty convoluted with incestuous industry mergers and takeovers and spin offs in late 1990s and early 2000s - but while ASEA and Brown Boveri (BBC) linked to make ABB (Asea Brown Boveri) some parts of both were spun off before and or after. I /think/ today's traction part of ABB is legacy BBC, while the former ASEA traction part ended up with ADtranz thence Bombardier. ((The now defunct AEG (Germany) figures in this along the line too; a good example of these complex mergers in that AEG exists today in brand name only, it has not existed as a concern since 1996. AEG irrelevant to LU stock but an example of how use of branding confuses who makes what or owns who.)) |
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Post by Tom on Jan 3, 2023 21:44:54 GMT
Bit embarrassing that Bombardier's own PR people can't get the location of their plant right... it's Västerås!
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Post by d7666 on Jan 4, 2023 22:09:41 GMT
Bit embarrassing that Bombardier's own PR people can't get the location of their plant right... it's Västerås! < rant on > I'd suggest that might have more to do with the original text or subsequent processing by something that could not render the å character. Quite possibly the web page HTML. With my consultant editor to a certain European content magazine hat on, this is an often experienced problem. A contributor overseas will have the local charset, and s/w keyboard set, and h/w keyboard type, and the local variant of, say, word or excel, but sometimes when you import files certain characters get lost. FR accents and DE umlauts tend to survive, but some of the other characters do not - carons (haceks) and the subtly different breves (that are not the same thing) are especially prone to this. For example, I do not know, immediately, without looking without using the charsets, how to make that å character appear here except by copy and paste - which obviously I did; I know generically how to do it, but it needs looking up. Geeks will no doubt now pile in and wax lyrical on ascii and unicode and whatnot, but the fact is not everyone in the food chain from Josef Bloggsovsky upwards sending in a report from Gatepostov Ost in Azkabanistan and written in one app with some foreignese keyboard that gets mangled on the editorship laptop then further mangled in their DTP app works at that level of precision with the same level of computer configuration. YT once had to sort out some muppet who used settings in autoexec.bat and config.sys (so that tells you this is an old anecdote) but then save filename with umlauts in to floppy disc, mail the disc to his mate without those setting, then wonder why the disc was unreadable. You learn the hard way that extending charsets ain't simple. Digression I know. But have much experience with this sort of thing. And there are a lot of pedantic chell speckers amid cranks. < rant off > |
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Post by dmncf on Jan 7, 2023 23:10:57 GMT
I travelled on the W&C line recently and saw a wheelchair bay, which felt like a bit of a sneak preview of what might appear on the central line. I noticed this too. I'm not a frequent user of the W&C line. I saw that the pair of bays on my W&C line train lacked any alarm / help point and were were not labelled as wheelchair bays, instead being labelled "Priority area for pushchairs". How new are these bays and are they in an interim state? |
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Post by rincew1nd on Jan 8, 2023 10:38:46 GMT
Digression I know. But have much experience with this sort of thing. And there are a lot of pedantic chell speckers amid cranks. < rant off > The internet is full of pedants'. |
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Post by coldplayfan18 on Jan 30, 2023 22:24:24 GMT
Any more updates, such as a definite date to when the first train will come into service?
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Post by noddymac on Feb 1, 2023 22:48:59 GMT
Any more updates, such as a definite date to when the first train will come into service? I haven’t yet heard anything. This was mentioned at work the other day and none of us have a clue. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Feb 2, 2023 1:46:37 GMT
Any more updates, such as a definite date to when the first train will come into service? I am sure there will be an internal fanfare when the first train is due to leave Acton Works back to the Central Line and that we’ll try to report that promptly, as I hope we have during this protracted project? |
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Post by spsmiler on Feb 2, 2023 12:07:53 GMT
hmm, it feels like the time will come for the next fleet of trains before this project has completed
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Post by d7666 on Feb 2, 2023 13:43:25 GMT
Any more updates, such as a definite date to when the first train will come into service? I am sure there will be an internal fanfare when the first train is due to leave Acton Works back to the Central Line and that we’ll try to report that promptly, as I hope we have during this protracted project? I'd rather not have internal fanfares TYVM there is enough irritation already on internal loudspeakers as it is  |
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Post by stapler on Feb 2, 2023 15:07:57 GMT
I daresay we will get the Mayor with suitably disadvantaged coadjutors there for some fanfare publicity....
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Post by jimbo on Feb 2, 2023 18:53:43 GMT
Earliest reference to CLIP I found was the Finance and Policy Committee meeting on 8 July 2016, promising completion by 2022! And yet the project is still reported to be on target for first train delivery! see |
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Post by 100andthirty on Feb 2, 2023 19:39:57 GMT
The various elements of CLIP have been discussed since circa 2007. The new traction package nearly got approved in 2009, but for a change of management. The strategy paper proposing, in principle, something like CLIP was prepared in circa 2012. As each year has passed more an more kit has been identified as needing attention. And this programme is currently forecast to end in 2027, just 6 years or so before the nominal end of life of the fleet.
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Post by coldplayfan18 on Feb 2, 2023 20:57:47 GMT
I’m going to have to wait to see it when the trains come into service to truly believe it because it keeps getting delayed
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Post by d7666 on Feb 2, 2023 22:32:51 GMT
I’m going to have to wait to see it when the trains come into service to truly believe it because it keeps getting delayed Has anything else involving Bombardier (today Alstom) been on time recently ? hahahaha |
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Post by stapler on Feb 3, 2023 16:53:54 GMT
I know the timetable hasn't changed, but my last few outings on the 92TSs have seemed rather speedier than previously. That may just be a mis-impression on my part, but has anyone else had the same feeling?
By the same "measure", the seating seems to have got ever saggier.
Will these cars, CLIP or no CLIP, **really** last till the mid-30s?
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Post by xtmw on Feb 4, 2023 9:47:15 GMT
I know the timetable hasn't changed, but my last few outings on the 92TSs have seemed rather speedier than previously. That may just be a mis-impression on my part, but has anyone else had the same feeling? By the same "measure", the seating seems to have got ever saggier. Will these cars, CLIP or no CLIP, **really** last till the mid-30s I've noticed some trains have bit of a sluggy/poor acceleration, but I do agree, been on the Central line in the past few days and they have accelerated quite faster... |
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Post by stapler on Feb 10, 2023 14:35:40 GMT
Have the days/hours of driver v computer control changed?
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Post by jimbo on Feb 22, 2023 4:23:09 GMT
TfL Investment programme report Quarter 3 2022/23 (18 September to 10 December 2022) includes this on Central line fleet renewals:
Production readiness of the fleet has entered the final stages for CCTV, LED lighting, and saloon car mechanical systems. The alternating current traction system is in final sign-off stage with the majority of hardware agreed. The outstanding issue is the modification of the auxiliary power units, which are to be reworked with new and improved safer component design. The conditional assessments for the programme lift were completed in January 2023. New doors tender returns are being reviewed and materials for the pull-forward scope have also been procured to support doors overhauls. Delivery of these works are important to mitigate the ongoing service performance challenges on the Central line.
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On the Central line the first two trains have wheelchair bays installed as part of the fleet renewals programme mentioned above. The Waterloo & City line trains also had multi-purpose bays fitted in Quarter 2 this year.
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Post by 100andthirty on Feb 22, 2023 7:33:03 GMT
Doesn't sound much like March as a service date.
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Post by stapler on Feb 22, 2023 9:25:53 GMT
Production readiness of the fleet has entered the final stages for CCTV, LED lighting, and saloon car mechanical systems. The alternating current traction system is in final sign-off stage with the majority of hardware agreed. The outstanding issue is the modification of the auxiliary power units, which are to be reworked with new and improved safer component design. The conditional assessments for the programme lift were completed in January 2023. New doors tender returns are being reviewed and materials for the pull-forward scope have also been procured to support doors overhauls. Delivery of these works are important to mitigate the ongoing service performance challenges on the Central line. Well, I must say, I understood about 10 words of that jargon! |
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Post by 100andthirty on Feb 22, 2023 13:15:33 GMT
Having read the report to the Programmes and Investment Committee, I wonder whether they have recruited someone who is not at all familiar with any of TfL's operations. I can't believe the project or programme managers actually supply such rubbish for the report. "Pull-forward" seems to be a new term and I'm not at all sure what it means. Then there is "The outstanding issue is the modification of the auxiliary power units, which are to be reworked with new and improved safer component design." This sounds very much like someone has c*cked up, but is being made to sound positive. Then there's a picture of a 1973 tube stock with a caption about 1992 tube stock and another of the D stock RAT with a caption about the track recording car. This is the stuff about which I'm familiar. Perhaps everything else is perfect?  ?? |
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Post by spsmiler on Feb 22, 2023 16:42:31 GMT
Well, I must say, I understood about 10 words of that jargon! Yes, much technical mumbo jumbo. nevertheless I understood it perfectly clearly. To improve clarity I've reduced it all to just a couple of lines of text. |
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Post by jimbo on Feb 22, 2023 18:32:08 GMT
Whilst we may see one or two of the pre-production trains out in service this year, it makes it look like fleet conversion is still a way off.
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Post by t697 on Feb 23, 2023 8:41:00 GMT
"Pull-forward" seems to be a new term and I'm not at all sure what it means. "Pull-forward" seems to be 'newspeak' for doing bits of a project that are not being delayed and can be done independently of the bits that are delayed. Appearing more widely across various projects recently. Of course it doesn't usually mean they are pulled forward, just much less delayed.
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Post by Chris L on Feb 23, 2023 10:01:38 GMT
"Pull-forward" seems to be a new term and I'm not at all sure what it means. "Pull-forward" seems to be 'newspeak' for doing bits of a project that are not being delayed and can be done independently of the bits that are delayed. Appearing more widely across various projects recently. Of course it doesn't usually mean they are pulled forward, just much less delayed.
Bring forward would be a better term. |
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Post by grumpycat on Feb 24, 2023 5:46:44 GMT
Doesn't sound much like March as a service date. Seems so. Was hoping to ride one in march but oh well |
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Post by stapler on Feb 24, 2023 11:22:15 GMT
And what's the latest on half-trains on the Loop and releasing one whole train for conversion? Or was this way back then when this thread began, and now long since superseded?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Feb 24, 2023 12:04:42 GMT
WTT 70 was introduced in January 2020, designed to release the required units from the shuttle.
Difficulties were experienced with 4-car train testing, so this aspect wasn’t implemented and is unlikely to.
5 trains are currently in works.
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