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Post by spsmiler on Mar 3, 2021 19:12:16 GMT
Possibly it was installed to avoid something else, such as the now removed signal box?
Whatever the reason, its either going to be removed 'soon' or after someone hits their head and sues for damages.
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Post by jimbo on Mar 3, 2021 19:30:23 GMT
Just what does the signage say, I wonder. Is that an emergency evacuation sign above? Is this just a firemens' access lift? The tracks to the left have still to be adapted for S stock stabling.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 3, 2021 19:39:37 GMT
Just what does the signage say, I wonder. Is that an emergency evacuation sign above? Is this just a firemens' access lift? The tracks to the left have still to be adapted for S stock stabling. Immediately above the steel doors it says: <up arrow> <wheelchair symbol><lift symbol> Elizabeth line above that is a Section 12 standard “Emergency do not enter” illuminated sign |
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Post by Chris L on Mar 3, 2021 20:28:06 GMT
Just what does the signage say, I wonder. Is that an emergency evacuation sign above? Is this just a firemens' access lift? The tracks to the left have still to be adapted for S stock stabling. Immediately above the steel doors it says: <up arrow> <wheelchair symbol><lift symbol> Elizabeth line above that is a Section 12 standard “Emergency do not enter” illuminated sign It's an emergency exit sign on the door. The sign above the doors should be on the brickwork. How are people supposed to see it from the platform? |
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Post by goldenarrow on Mar 3, 2021 23:30:43 GMT
Is that the same section of tunnel that used to have the terrifyingly narrow section of platform for Widened Line services, or was that further back? That was set much further back where the Down and Up Moorgate entered their individual tunnel portals shown in the photo below where the furthest tunnel lights are. The lift shaft to the Elizabeth line station is located near the tunnel lights closest to the camera.  319 008 at Barbican by Paul, on Flickr |
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Post by Chris M on Mar 4, 2021 3:57:39 GMT
That is an extremely odd design choice. It can't be down to the masonry not being strong enough to support it, as it's being supported in almost exactly the same place it otherwise would be, there are a couple of other cables it would have had to cross, but that's hardly unique or insurmountable. Cheaper than going vertical then horizontal  True, but approximately the same price as moving the diagonal section right by removing part of the lower horizontal section and inserting that at the right hand end of the upper horizontal portion. |
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Post by rsdworker on Mar 4, 2021 13:10:14 GMT
the doors on frobt of lift might be fire doors or temporay doors but for sure something will be opened up soon
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Post by quex on Mar 4, 2021 14:49:07 GMT
That was set much further back where the Down and Up Moorgate entered their individual tunnel portals shown in the photo below where the furthest tunnel lights are. The lift shaft to the Elizabeth line station is located near the tunnel lights closest to the camera. Ah, I see. Thanks! With regards to the lift itself, it almost strikes me as some kind of 'malicious compliance'. It's like someone told Crossrail there must be a link between Farringdon East Crossrail and Barbican LU, and Crossrail provided the absolute minimal solution to this. Not that I'm seriously suggesting that's what actually happened, but it does give off a 'bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying "Beware of the Leopard"' vibe if you've read Douglas Adams. |
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Post by Chris L on Mar 4, 2021 16:19:25 GMT
the doors on frobt of lift might be fire doors or temporay doors but for sure something will be opened up soon not until 2022 and they will be open but will automatically shut in the event of a fire alert. |
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Post by t697 on Mar 4, 2021 20:15:36 GMT
I recall discussions about whether one more SDO door could be opened at the rear of an S8 train at the Eastbound platform to better accommodate interchange into a new connection there to the Elizabeth line. Did the access there get de-scoped perhaps?
I'm no longer surprised Barbican isn't in the list of stations due to get Elizabeth line interchange messages on the S stock fleet...
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Post by goldenarrow on Mar 4, 2021 23:01:05 GMT
I recall discussions about whether one more SDO door could be opened at the rear of an S8 train at the Eastbound platform to better accommodate interchange into a new connection there to the Elizabeth line. Did the access there get de-scoped perhaps? I'm no longer surprised Barbican isn't in the list of stations due to get Elizabeth line interchange messages on the S stock fleet... Of all the connections that have come as a result of Crossrail, Barbican has to be the most bizzare. The original plans entailed a new footbridge linking the WB and EB SSR platforms with the lift connection down to Crossrail. This was later dropped due to the difficulties of construction between surrounding buildings and the narrow clearances involved. This leaves the somewhat tenuous connection from the WB platform. I can't think of a step-free journey combination that would make Barbican advantageous apart from perhaps Tower Hill to Crossrail in the Westbound direction only. |
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Post by John Tuthill on Mar 4, 2021 23:24:05 GMT
Cheaper than going vertical then horizontal True, but approximately the same price as moving the diagonal section right by removing part of the lower horizontal section and inserting that at the right hand end of the upper horizontal portion. Sounds like a Groucho Marx script!  |
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Post by spsmiler on Mar 7, 2021 22:22:21 GMT
Of all the connections that have come as a result of Crossrail, Barbican has to be the most bizzare. The original plans entailed a new footbridge linking the WB and EB SSR platforms with the lift connection down to Crossrail. This was later dropped due to the difficulties of construction between surrounding buildings and the narrow clearances involved. This leaves the somewhat tenuous connection from the WB platform. I can't think of a step-free journey combination that would make Barbican advantageous apart from perhaps Tower Hill to Crossrail in the Westbound direction only. Its ages since I last used Euston Square station but I thought that this station also only has an accessibility lift which serves one direction of travel. Passengers cannot even catch a Circle line train nowadays for a one-seat ride almost all the way round the Circle as an alternative solution. |
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Post by Chris M on Mar 7, 2021 23:53:56 GMT
The lift at Euston Square serves the westbound platform. Passengers can, in theory, double back via the island platforms at Paddington (H&C) or King's Cross.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2021 9:56:03 GMT
Or take a Met train to Baker St then catch the eastbound H&C/circle line
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Post by t697 on Mar 8, 2021 14:22:06 GMT
Or Royal Oak if you want RVAR compliant wheelchair doorway platform gaps..
Actually, I think King's Cross is compliant at those doorways on both platforms too.
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Post by Chris L on Mar 9, 2021 10:19:45 GMT
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Post by Deep Level on Mar 12, 2021 7:00:10 GMT
 I presume this is for the platform extension work? Luckily I just so happen to have already booked A/L for that week  . |
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Post by Chris L on Mar 12, 2021 9:05:28 GMT
I presume this is for the platform extension work? Luckily I just so happen to have already booked A/L for that week . This follows the Easter Weekend when there are no trains for 4 days between Liverpool Street and Shenfield. Nine car trains will be able to run in and out of Liverpool Street after this. |
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Post by superteacher on Mar 14, 2021 15:39:03 GMT
I presume this is for the platform extension work? Luckily I just so happen to have already booked A/L for that week . This follows the Easter Weekend when there are no trains for 4 days between Liverpool Street and Shenfield. Nine car trains will be able to run in and out of Liverpool Street after this. And I’m assuming that this will spell the end of the class 315’s shortly afterwards? |
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Post by silenthunter on Mar 14, 2021 15:56:00 GMT
Believe they're going at the May timetable change.
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Post by superteacher on Mar 14, 2021 16:09:18 GMT
Believe they're going at the May timetable change. Is that when the semi-fasts are going too, or has there been a rethink on retaining them after the core opens? |
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Post by spsmiler on Mar 14, 2021 19:58:17 GMT
boo if all trains will soon be all stations - sad news. Its bad enough that this is already the off-peak situation.
re: the impending longer trains, I must dust down my camcorder for present-day length trains. I'll be shopping in Ilford later this week...
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Post by superteacher on Mar 14, 2021 21:27:44 GMT
boo if all trains will soon be all stations - sad news. Its bad enough that this is already the off-peak situation. re: the impending longer trains, I must dust down my camcorder for present-day length trains. I'll be shopping in Ilford later this week... It’s been the off peak situation for quite a few years now though. If they plan to run semi-fast services in the west, I don’t see why they can’t do it in the east. It would also be nice to get the peak service level back to what it was 30 years ago! |
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Post by sunnyday on Mar 15, 2021 15:31:45 GMT
From May there will be a mix of 315s, 7 car 345s and 9 car 345s. On the East they are moving to all stops all day, with almost 100% of services running to Shenfield on Monday to Fridays. There will be a slight reduction in peak services, but capacity will be maintained eventually when everything goes over to 9 car operation.
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Post by superteacher on Mar 15, 2021 22:20:02 GMT
From May there will be a mix of 315s, 7 car 345s and 9 car 345s. On the East they are moving to all stops all day, with almost 100% of services running to Shenfield on Monday to Fridays. There will be a slight reduction in peak services, but capacity will be maintained eventually when everything goes over to 9 car operation. They will probably get away with reducing services due to suppressed demand due to the pandemic. But I’ve never understood the obsession with removing the semi-fasts in the peak, especially when they are being retained in the west. All I can say is it won’t be popular, but then again operational convenience seems to trump it. Are they still planning on running peak trains into Liverpool Street main line when the core opens? |
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Post by A60stock on Mar 15, 2021 23:25:03 GMT
What is the reason that 315s have still not been completely withdrawn and wont be come May? Are there not enough 345s?
Will need to get a ride on some semi fast 315s towards May. Does anyone have the diagrams/times they run on the semi fasts going east from Liverpool St?
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Post by goldenarrow on Mar 15, 2021 23:47:38 GMT
What is the reason that 315s have still not been completely withdrawn and wont be come May? Are there not enough 345s? Ever since TFL Rail West needed bailing out with additional 7 car units, the fleet has been in a state of near constant flux with several units either shortened, in storage, in reserve for testing in the core or as strategic spares for what was quite a high rate of failures for 9 car units during most of 2020. I would assume the logistics of lengthening/re-lengthening units, the various software upgrades being introduced to the 345's and the covid impact on those processes would be why some 315's are hanging back for a bit longer to provide some cover. |
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Post by goldenarrow on Mar 18, 2021 10:35:37 GMT
Tuesday 16 March saw the opening/commissioning of the new station ticket hall, walkway and lifts at Acton Main Line, the first of the heavily delayed station rebuilds on the original section of TFL Rail West to be completed. West Ealing is projected to be the next to be commissioned in the coming weeks.
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Post by vincenture on Mar 18, 2021 17:06:33 GMT
simple, yet beautiful! Quite surprised no contractors were early enough to do such works
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