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Post by AndrewPSSP on Jul 6, 2018 11:48:27 GMT
Hurrah for now, then
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Post by goldenarrow on Jul 6, 2018 11:55:03 GMT
They're going as part of ESTL if I recall... End State Track Layout?
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Post by spsmiler on Jul 6, 2018 22:56:06 GMT
Its practically confirmed to be there during the open weekend. Please remind me (and everyone else here) of the date of this open day. Thanks Simon
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jul 6, 2018 23:07:57 GMT
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Jul 6, 2018 23:12:08 GMT
I forgot it was today! Oops...
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Post by a60 on Jul 9, 2018 11:27:25 GMT
Someone snapped a picture of it. www.flickr.com/photos/aecsouthall/43232316272/I was surprised to see this in my flickr search results - now I had stopped looking here because my interest in the SSR has waned a lot since the old guard stood down. Would want to be moving it soon, they didn't hang around this long with 5110/11. Naturally, what is left of the optimist in me would hope against hope that they perhaps hope also to tart this one up and run it with 6110 as a power car. However, the realist in me concedes it'll be off to Booths soon. A nice surprise however.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 14:49:28 GMT
I think by this point unless the MOD still are in the possession of A Stock cars, it’s pretty much certain that only 1 or possibly 2 cars will be kept albeit only 1 being in the condition for passenger use and with the 60th anniversary of the A60 coming up in the next few years, I think it would be nice if TfL were to do up an S Stock with maybe purple grab rails, old pattern seats or even possibly a silver vinyl wrap with ‘LONDON TRANSPORT’ lettering on the side. I think something like this would be an appropriate little tribute due to the fact an A Stock train running on TfL rails off the 4th rail will mostly likely never happen again. Just a little idea so apologies if this is a bit too off topic.
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Post by a60 on Jul 9, 2018 16:02:01 GMT
As I understand it, the MOD didn't take them in the end.
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Post by MoreToJack on Jul 9, 2018 17:45:18 GMT
I think by this point unless the MOD still are in the possession of A Stock cars, it’s pretty much certain that only 1 or possibly 2 cars will be kept albeit only 1 being in the condition for passenger use and with the 60th anniversary of the A60 coming up in the next few years, I think it would be nice if TfL were to do up an S Stock with maybe purple grab rails, old pattern seats or even possibly a silver vinyl wrap with ‘LONDON TRANSPORT’ lettering on the side. I think something like this would be an appropriate little tribute due to the fact an A Stock train running on TfL rails off the 4th rail will mostly likely never happen again. Just a little idea so apologies if this is a bit too off topic. 1. Who pays? 2. What relevance do the S8 stock have to the A stock, beyond being their replacement? (Spoiler: none) One car will remain preserved, 5034, and it is definitely not in any kind of useable condition as this thread has explored. 5234/5 is due to go for scrap very soon, as also mentioned. The MOD are not taking any cars. 6110 is surviving on for the time being. There is, apparently, a plan that will see it remain in one piece, but it is very unlikely that it will see passenger use - and certainly not on the LU network.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 18:16:01 GMT
There is currently no room for it at the scrap yard, which is why it lasted as long as it has. It was planned to have gone long before the open weekend.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 19:40:57 GMT
1. Who pays? 2. What relevance do the S8 stock have to the A stock, beyond being their replacement? (Spoiler: none) One car will remain preserved, 5034, and it is definitely not in any kind of useable condition as this thread has explored. 5234/5 is due to go for scrap very soon, as also mentioned. The MOD are not taking any cars. 6110 is surviving on for the time being. There is, apparently, a plan that will see it remain in one piece, but it is very unlikely that it will see passenger use - and certainly not on the LU network. Just an idea to do something nice to commemorate electric trains running to Amersham - clearly not a very great idea though as you have pointed out. In terms of who pays for it, the Ongar shuttle 1960 stock was painted in heritage-esque colours and so I was just going on the fact it had been done before when I assumed that someone would be willing to pay for it somehow. Anyhow it’s such a shame that such an icon has met such an undignified end.
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Post by zcap on Jul 9, 2018 19:41:48 GMT
6110 is surviving on for the time being. There is, apparently, a plan that will see it remain in one piece, but it is very unlikely that it will see passenger use - and certainly not on the LU network. This sounds intriguing Can you give any more information?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 19:49:28 GMT
6110 is surviving on for the time being. There is, apparently, a plan that will see it remain in one piece, but it is very unlikely that it will see passenger use - and certainly not on the LU network. This sounds intriguing Can you give any more information? AFAIK it is to be used as a generator car to enable the Q Stock to operate off LU metals.
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Post by Chris M on Jul 9, 2018 20:51:38 GMT
While not answering the question in this specific situation, carriages are wrapped every now and again by LU (e.g. Jubilee line 7th car) or third parties (e.g. the Russian S stock) so it's clearly not something that is totally out of reach.
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Post by MoreToJack on Jul 9, 2018 21:33:47 GMT
Anyhow it’s such a shame that such an icon has met such an undignified end. The A60/62 stock had a very big and dignified end on Saturday 26th September 2012. The final thirteen cars to depart are not comparable having finished life as engineers trains. As has been said before, if people wanted to save a A stock the time to start thinking about it was the day their replacement was announced in the mid-noughties, if not before. In terms of who pays for it, the Ongar shuttle 1960 stock was painted in heritage-esque colours and so I was just going on the fact it had been done before when I assumed that someone would be willing to pay for it somehow. The 1980s and 1990s were a very different time. In many cases such stock required a routine repaint anyway - the S stock do not. I have no doubt if a generous benefactor came forwards TfL would jump at the idea - but even a new moquette will set you back a good few grand at minimum. While not answering the question in this specific situation, carriages are wrapped every now and again by LU (e.g. Jubilee line 7th car) or third parties (e.g. the Russian S stock) so it's clearly not something that is totally out of reach. I fully expect that it would be possible if somebody came forwards. But we must remember that TfL's financial situation is at the worst for a number of years. Wasting money on harking back to the past is not a good look when projects are being cancelled and delayed due to the funding crisis, and nor does taking a train out of service for work to be done when fleet availability is already being stretched. Publicising a capacity upgrade or the 150th anniversary of the network is one thing, but a niche anniversary is a different matter entirely.
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Post by fish7373 on Jul 10, 2018 21:50:49 GMT
This sounds intriguing Can you give any more information? AFAIK it is to be used as a generator car to enable the Q Stock to operate off LU metals. That`s why the A60 has not gone for scrap unless they change there mind.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 13:57:48 GMT
AFAIK it is to be used as a generator car to enable the Q Stock to operate off LU metals. That`s why the A60 has not gone for scrap unless they change there mind. Thats only a single car they are keeping (and even then, thats only the chassis and bogies, bodywork would all be removed and replaced with Q stock style body work)
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Post by Dom K on Jul 12, 2018 17:01:27 GMT
At the top of this thread it was explicitly said that rules regarding unusual train movements must be strictly adhered to. I have just removed a post doing just that. Repeated rule breaks could lead to sanctions which is also mentioned in our rules. Could all members please review their posts before posting.
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Post by fish7373 on Jul 12, 2018 22:32:43 GMT
And train movements by road then as well.
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Post by rincew1nd on Jul 12, 2018 22:45:58 GMT
And train movements by road then as well. Yes.
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Post by spsmiler on Jul 14, 2018 13:46:07 GMT
I wonder...
Firstly, are they keeping the chassis from a T or a DM?
Secondly, what new body shape will be fitted? Flared doors (as per Q38?) Clerestory roof? If the latter, with plain end (as per Q23?) an end that curves downwards (as per Q35?) Something else (if there were other variants - I am too young to remember!)
Also, will the diesel power pack only take part of the entire car (half? third?) and the rest be fitted out to carry passengers?
Finally, will the train end up as a diesel hybrid which includes some onboard stored energy (batteries / super capacitors) so that it can travel a few miles in pure stored energy mode?
Simon - with the possibility of something similar happening for Standard Stock and other still extant tube stock trains in my thoughts (using a chassis from the Asset Inspection Train or 1972 Mk2 stock, when the Bakerloo Line gets new trains).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 17:56:15 GMT
I wonder... Firstly, are they keeping the chassis from a T or a DM? 6110 has ‘do not rob: required complete by London Transport Museum’ notices (or thereabouts) on it so I take it this is the car that will be used. I guess a trailer must be easier to mount the equipment on and of course it doesn’t require the motors to be removed. May I ask though, does anyone know if the width of the car is to be decreased? Would be a great shame if the Q Stock could not access certain railways due to clearance issues as the A Stock is notoriously wide...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 20:20:46 GMT
The plan is to use a trailer car, were 2/3rds of the space will be used by a generator. The other 1/3 will be a mobile museum shop if the plan to convert it goes ahead. The body will be q stock 'style' as they don't want a replica. There will hopefully be 4 proper q stock cars, and they don't want the new car to take away from that.
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Post by spsmiler on Jul 16, 2018 14:02:50 GMT
It does not need to be a direct replica, as long as its appearance will be such that when included in photos it wont stand out like a sore thumb.
In many ways what is being done is the creating of future nostalgia. Even people building model railways of the present-day scene would be able to include this train and still stay faithful to their chosen time period.
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Post by patrickb on Jul 16, 2018 21:23:46 GMT
Interesting, I have a few more questions about the Q Stock, was wondering if the thread "Q Stock to run again" could be unlocked?
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Post by MoreToJack on Jul 17, 2018 12:24:45 GMT
Interesting, I have a few more questions about the Q Stock, was wondering if the thread "Q Stock to run again" could be unlocked? Done - here.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 8:29:37 GMT
I see there was a certain train missing from the museum grounds as I passed by this morning
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Post by brigham on Jul 19, 2018 9:02:08 GMT
For the benefit of those who don't happen to pass by on the way to work, could you perhaps clarify?
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Post by superteacher on Jul 19, 2018 14:48:14 GMT
For the benefit of those who don't happen to pass by on the way to work, could you perhaps clarify? Agreed, last time I looked this wasn't a quiz thread.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 15:55:16 GMT
For the benefit of those who don't happen to pass by on the way to work, could you perhaps clarify? Agreed, last time I looked this wasn't a quiz thread. Very sorry about that; I’ll be sure to make it clearer next time. However in this case, if my post is to be interpreted as a quiz question, if you guessed A60 Stock train 5234/5235 then give yourself a pat on the back... (Sorry, I’ll be more serious and explicit next time!)
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