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Post by MoreToJack on May 22, 2018 15:03:14 GMT
Members are reminded of the guidance provided by the Admin Team in the below linked thread. A post deemed to breach this guidance has been removed, and we will continue to remove any offending posts without hesitation.Whilst some members may dearly wish to observe the final run of this iconic, transformational stock - for the reasons given in the rule we would ask that members refrain from posting details of the STN. Forum staff will have no hesitation in removing any posts they feel are inappropriate.
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Post by MoreToJack on May 25, 2018 0:26:04 GMT
The end of an era: the final A60/62 stock train (W5235-5234E) operated on London Underground tonight, as an empty stock move from Neasden depot to Ealing Common depot via Ruislip siding. The train is seen passing through Rayners Lane westbound for the last time. 5235 - Rayners Lane by Jack Gordon, on Flickr
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Post by spsmiler on May 25, 2018 22:10:14 GMT
I think it was me whose message was seen as breaching the rule about disclosing special services. I say this because my most recent message is not here now! I am sorry that it was seen as doing this, as I thought that by not quoting a date or any location I was keeping within that rule. I did not expect that talking about a general time frame (even though I did not quote any specific times, as such) would also fall foul of that rule.
I assume and hope that now the train has actually completed its journey that I can now speak more freely.
I would have liked to have seen this train on its final self-powered run, but the time was too late in the day and with the route the train followed being so far away from where I live I was concerned that I would miss the last public trains of the day. almost certainly I would have gone to Ealing Common, in the hope that the train would travel over detonators as it entered the depot. That is if such is still done - I feel sure that it was with the CO / CP and R stocks. Etc.
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Post by domh245 on May 25, 2018 22:42:57 GMT
The last proper runs of the C and D stocks had detonators, did they not? That said, I can't imagine that the residents of Acton Town would have been too chuffed at the prospect of detonators going off at near midnight (based on the EXIF data from MoreToJack's image)
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Post by Chris W on May 25, 2018 23:21:00 GMT
The A Stock also enjoyed running over detonators at the end of the final railtour en-route back to Neasden 🤔🙂
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Post by Ben on May 25, 2018 23:26:53 GMT
I think it was me whose message was seen as breaching the rule about disclosing special services. I say this because my most recent message is not here now! I am sorry that it was seen as doing this, as I thought that by not quoting a date or any location I was keeping within that rule. I did not expect that talking about a general time frame (even though I did not quote any specific times, as such) would also fall foul of that rule. I assume and hope that now the train has actually completed its journey that I can now speak more freely. I would have liked to have seen this train on its final self-powered run, but the time was too late in the day and with the route the train followed being so far away from where I live I was concerned that I would miss the last public trains of the day. almost certainly I would have gone to Ealing Common, in the hope that the train would travel over detonators as it entered the depot. That is if such is still done - I feel sure that it was with the CO / CP and R stocks. Etc. Simon With many thanks to the details being shared in public groups elsewhere, I was one of just two (!) people on the platform at Ealing Common when it slinked into the depot, no detonators, no whistle, but a nice bit of arcing over the points. An very quiet, and perhaps ethereal, end to ~58 years running. Exceptionally sad to think that that is the last time anyone will ever see or hear one moving under its own power ever. I just hope my memories stay sharp for the next 60 years
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Post by rincew1nd on May 26, 2018 4:39:22 GMT
Admin comment
The reason the rule exists is clearly explained in the rule and was quoted in both the announcement and this thread. The announcement also acknowledged that members might wish to have seen the move. Yes, the details were available elsewhere but that's Mr Zuckerberg's responsibility not ours.
This rule has been in place for almost ten years and is an example of how we are a responsible forum. This approach has allowed things such as the tour of the disused parts of Kings Cross to happen; last Christmas something similarly unique almost happened (only a clash of dates with a contractor prevented it). Unfortunately it's just another of life's compromises.
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Post by superteacher on May 26, 2018 6:14:16 GMT
Great photo MoreToJack. It looks quite poignant with the lights out inside, sitting at a dark platform on the line which was once its empire.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2018 7:07:53 GMT
The other A stock when in on detonators, got a video somewhere.
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Post by londoner on May 26, 2018 10:36:01 GMT
Great photo MoreToJack . It looks quite poignant with the lights out inside, sitting at a dark platform on the line which was once its empire. Not to mention the Charles Holden building in the background! Perfect.
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Post by MoreToJack on May 26, 2018 16:11:32 GMT
Great photo MoreToJack. It looks quite poignant with the lights out inside, sitting at a dark platform on the line which was once its empire. It was a very eery sight, and very appropriate for what many are dubbing the 'death run'. This unit was far from the 'glory days' of the stock, stripped of many fixtures and fittings with no more illumination than the required head and tail lights. As special as it was, this was far more akin to a departmental unit heading off for scrap, rather than the more lamentable occasions of the final passenger carrying A, C and D stock trips (which of course is exactly what this was, departmental stock!).
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Post by AndrewPSSP on May 26, 2018 16:25:15 GMT
I remember riding the A Stock on the ELL when I was younger...oh how I wish I could go back in time! Back to my childhood when everything was much more simpler and "easier" On a different note, I really dislike how people who are slightly younger than me take on-demand television for granted
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Post by cso on May 27, 2018 12:59:28 GMT
As special as it was, this was far more akin to a departmental unit heading off for scrap, rather than the more lamentable occasions of the final passenger carrying A, C and D stock trips (which of course is exactly what this was, departmental stock!). I think that's fair enough though... the "send off" should really be the last passenger working and a tour, if appropriate... although with the advent of modern signalling, the last passenger working is likely to be it IMO.
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Post by Chris W on May 27, 2018 18:38:24 GMT
I understand that I was the last non-LU person to travel in the A Stock as it moved... albeit shunted around at Neasden Depot as part of a Rail Express article, last December. Here are a few highlights to remember the stock:
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Post by Ben on May 27, 2018 19:49:02 GMT
The lights were out, very true. Ironically though, there were a few large 'sylvania' fluorescent tube boxes on the inside.
It was a very sombre sight at Ealing, dark, unkempt, and quiet. Almost apologetic. Eerie is a good word. Wasn't hard to feel sorry to see it in such a state, quietly taking itself out to be shot, metaphorically.
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Post by holborncentral on May 27, 2018 20:27:59 GMT
I saw this on Twitter last night. The photo is so poignant and appropriate for its final run 😢 If I was living in London I might have gone to see it.
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Post by patrickb on May 28, 2018 3:22:23 GMT
I find it very disheartening that this has become the conclusion of the A60/62s. At the least, future provisions should've been made to the best of everyone's ability (including within TfL) for full preservation of one set. This should set alarm bells ringing for rolling stock withdrawal in future. They will be wiped out completely and nothing will be preserved. The increasing lack of space could spell an end for any form of preservation in the future.
What we know from history is that old rolling stock has been sold off and fully preserved to external parties, but the present attitude of 'it all must go' is completely out of order imho. The A60/A62s bridged the gap from the days of Steam on the Met plus electrification of the line, to modern day LU. They were in passenger service the longest, a title previously held by the 1938TS and overall brilliantly made. So why is it, despite all this, did just one DM get preserved? From my records, all previous LT stock (with the exception of any prototype stock) have been preserved in the form of multiple single cars or complete 3 or 4 car sets, either sold, donated or given further use either within or out of LU Boundaries. A display of single DMs reduces the significance that certain stock has had. Many of these, are only observable from outside and appear to be of little appeal to people. It's appalling.
Yes, all but one DM will now remain and no one can change that. I hope that we don't have a repeat of this. Opportunities should be given to people to own and preserve stock if they wish. Too many times, a conversation like this has ended with 'It's a political issue' 'It's down to TfL' 'Someone else will sort it' 'Its too late, what's done is done'. Apologies for the rant and for using this post inappropriately to discuss a far wider issue. I'm very passionate about LU Engineering and Heritage and it upsets me to see the A Stock go like this.
Note: (I hope I don't come across as ignorant, I am fully aware of issues that surround current preservation of LUL Stock, including financial set backs, upgrades to infrastructure plus restrictions and space. I'm often informed and kept up to date about ongoing preservation work).
EDIT: Made my point simpler about non-preserved stock by just referring to LT Stock. So Q Stock and Standard Stock onward.
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Post by norbitonflyer on May 28, 2018 6:30:32 GMT
From my records, all previous stock built from 1900's onward (with the exception of Gate Stock, 1920TS, F Stock or any prototype stock) have been preserved. Really? I don't think much electric surface stock survives earlier than Q stock - just one G-stock DM (aka Q23) from the District as far as I know. And no Metropolitan electric stock (including original Circle Line, H&C, GN&C) either, other than two cars of T stock.
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Post by patrickb on May 28, 2018 7:34:48 GMT
From my records, all previous stock built from 1900's onward (with the exception of Gate Stock, 1920TS, F Stock or any prototype stock) have been preserved. Really? I don't think much electric surface stock survives earlier than Q stock - just one G-stock DM (aka Q23) from the District as far as I know. And no Metropolitan electric stock (including original Circle Line, H&C, GN&C) either, other than two cars of T stock. Two cars of Q23 or G23 are preserved. 4 Cars of Q Stock are being restored in working order even. Wasn't sure to add Met or District Stock to the exclusion list as I'm unsure about their history, My notes are based on what was built during the times for UERL and LT.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 18:49:19 GMT
Hi all, Have been on this forum for a while but thought it was about time to create an account due to a couple of questions... I went past Ealing Common Depot eastbound on Saturday afternoon to try and get one last photo of the A stock (which I did) as I missed the ECS on Thursday; however the photo was not as clear as I would have hoped due to the fact the A stock was behind a fence. Does anyone know if this is because it was at Museum depot, and if so why? To be perfectly honest I can't tell where it is and I'm certainly no expert on what roads are behind which fence, but I'm sure someone here will know where it's residing and why. https://www.instagram.com/p/BjVOgZhneAP (Couldn't work out how to add an image so had to link my instagram sorry will try to get just the image next time)
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 19:20:51 GMT
Hi all, Have been on this forum for a while but thought it was about time to create an account due to a couple of questions... I went past Ealing Common Depot eastbound on Saturday afternoon to try and get one last photo of the A stock (which I did) as I missed the ECS on Thursday; however the photo was not as clear as I would have hoped due to the fact the A stock was behind a fence. Does anyone know if this is because it was at Museum depot, and if so why? To be perfectly honest I can't tell where it is and I'm certainly no expert on what roads are behind which fence, but I'm sure someone here will know where it's residing and why. https://www.instagram.com/p/BjVOgZhneAP (Couldn't work out how to add an image so had to link my instagram sorry will try to get just the image next time) Its inside the museum compound now, so thats why its behind the fence. People have walked around to the back of the depot to take photos, but I must state that you DO NOT do this without permission as it is trespassing.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 20:09:45 GMT
Couldn’t agree more @luacton I know how much of an issue trespassing is hence do you know if it’s due to still be there for the open day in a month? Would be lovely to go and experience the smell of brakes once more...
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Post by rincew1nd on May 28, 2018 21:40:16 GMT
If it's still there, I suspect it won't be brake dust that you'll be smelling!
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Post by arun on May 29, 2018 9:52:28 GMT
From my records, all previous stock built from 1900's onward (with the exception of Gate Stock, 1920TS, F Stock or any prototype stock) have been preserved. Really? I don't think much electric surface stock survives earlier than Q stock - just one G-stock DM (aka Q23) from the District as far as I know. And no Metropolitan electric stock (including original Circle Line, H&C, GN&C) either, other than two cars of T stock. Isn't there still also a R49 DM lurking somewhere in the LTM Depot? Arun
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Post by norbitonflyer on May 29, 2018 12:46:13 GMT
I don't think much electric surface stock survives earlier than Q stock - Isn't there still also a R49 DM lurking somewhere in the LTM Depot? Possibly - R comes after Q anyway. The R49 is of historic significance as it was the Underground's (indeed, London Transport's) first aluminium-bodied stock. Only six R49 DMs were built, to allow two complete eight-car aluminium trains to be formed for evaluation purposes (one painted, one bare metal). All other R-stock DMs were converted from (steel-bodied) Q38 trailers: only the NDMs were new. (Six DMs were needed for two trains because the standard R stock formation was DM-NDM-NDM-NDM + NDM-DM + NDM-DM , the end two-car unit being detached off-peak to allow operation as a six-car train).
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Post by patrickb on May 29, 2018 17:21:46 GMT
Really? I don't think much electric surface stock survives earlier than Q stock - just one G-stock DM (aka Q23) from the District as far as I know. And no Metropolitan electric stock (including original Circle Line, H&C, GN&C) either, other than two cars of T stock. Isn't there still also a R49 DM lurking somewhere in the LTM Depot? Arun There are two R49 DM's and an R38, originally Q38. Yes one is owned by the LTM being DM 22679, the rest are privately owned. The other by a film prop company and the R38 by Mangapps.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 21:04:34 GMT
Couldn’t agree more @luacton I know how much of an issue trespassing is hence do you know if it’s due to still be there for the open day in a month? Would be lovely to go and experience the smell of brakes once more... There is 'no space' behind the depot for it, so all 4 cars should be gone by then. The reason I mention the trespass point, the museum had real problems with the first A stock where parts that were actually required to keep the RAT fleet going were taken. This one was stripped the night it arrived to ensure everything was retrieved.
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Post by brooklynbound on Jun 1, 2018 12:44:03 GMT
I've said it before but I think it needs repeating. Why is there this total unwillingness to preserve sets. The New York subway is proud of its heritage and still runs its vintage trains on special trips and as holiday extra services, the latter at normal fares. I find it ridculous that apart from the 38 set, the vintage stock most likely to be seen running on the underground is ex Southern Region.
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