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Post by Dstock7080 on Nov 22, 2018 11:47:23 GMT
Have any tube stock ever played in-carriage music? The former District Line Sports Day train, conveying Staff from Upminster depot to Acton Works certainly did! disco, streamers, balloons, food ! |
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Post by Chris M on Nov 22, 2018 11:50:42 GMT
Many years ago (circa 1999 iirc) on a late evening journey from Westminster to Euston via Embankment I had the opportunity to share a carriage (I think on the Northern line, but I could be wrong) with some very skilled musicians on their way back from a gig entertaining the passengers. They weren't busking but did pause for station stops.
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Post by Antje on Nov 22, 2018 13:20:06 GMT
I also wonder what these trains will sound like - I am thinking of their electronic control gear, etc. I wonder if they will be like the other Siemens trains which emit what to me is pleasant musical tone sounds. Have any tube stock ever played in-carriage music? I think we were referring to this: or this: |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2018 15:37:06 GMT
Amazing. I really like the way the jubilee line sounds when the trains are pulling away from stations
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Post by toby on Nov 22, 2018 16:03:46 GMT
At least these trains will only work on one line - unlike the S7 trains which work multiple lines and have multiple route maps that confuse unwary passengers. What are we expecting in terms of the shared fleet? I was guessing the poles and diagrams would be different, but that they could move sets between lines with a slightly extended pit stop. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 22, 2018 17:19:24 GMT
Although in the past, three of the lines have all run 1959/62 stock, I doubt there would be much scope for sharing of these new trains. Of the four lines, only the Bakerloo and Piccadilly have trains of the same length (Central Line is longer, Drain is shorter) and the lines are all isolated from each other, (except the Central/Picc connection at Ruislip) and in some cases have different signalling systems too. (both the Picc and Bakerloo have to share tracks with other - but different - stock in NW London) (And does the Central still need bespoke shoegear as a legacy of its non-Yerkes heritage?)
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Post by holborncentral on Nov 22, 2018 17:29:32 GMT
Have any tube stock ever played in-carriage music? The former District Line Sports Day train, conveying Staff from Upminster depot to Acton Works certainly did! disco, streamers, balloons, food ! Sounds like fun  |
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Post by kesmet on Nov 23, 2018 8:44:46 GMT
... the lines are all isolated from each other, (except the Central/Picc connection at Ruislip) ... There are a few physical interconnections between Tube lines, but I think it would be a lot of effort to move multiple trains between lines. Off the top of my head, there are the following links: - Piccadilly reversing loop to Central via West Ruislip depot
- Piccadilly (north) to Victoria (north) at Finsbury Park
- Victoria (south) to Piccadilly (south) at Finsbury Park
- Piccadilly (north) to Northern (south) via Kings Cross loop
- Jubilee (south) to Bakerloo (south) at Baker Street
- Bakerloo (north)to Jubilee (north) at Baker Street
And there are physical moves that could be achieved (using Metropolitan tracks to take trains between Ruislip and Wembley, for example) but that have additional requirements. So I think the likelihood of a shared fleet is low - it's just too hard to get stock between lines, even though it can be done if necessary. |
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Post by cudsn15 on Nov 23, 2018 10:16:48 GMT
I thought the Finsbury Park ones were removed once the last 67 stock was gone? I'd be amazed if the 09 stock could get very far down the Piccadilly tunnels...
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 23, 2018 10:36:47 GMT
... the lines are all isolated from each other, (except the Central/Picc connection at Ruislip) ... There are a few physical interconnections between Tube lines, but I think it would be a lot of effort to move multiple trains between lines. it's just too hard to get stock between lines, even though it can be done if necessary. Indeed so - you can get from any Tube line to any other (except the Drain), in most cases via the SSL and/or the Piccadilly, but the lines under discussion have no direct connections with each other. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Nov 23, 2018 10:36:54 GMT
I thought the Finsbury Park ones were removed once the last 67 stock was gone? I'd be amazed if the 09 stock could get very far down the Piccadilly tunnels... ‘09s can’t but engineering trains from Ruislip still need access to the Victoria Line. |
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Post by spsmiler on Nov 23, 2018 14:18:36 GMT
I also wonder what these trains will sound like - I am thinking of their electronic control gear, etc. I wonder if they will be like the other Siemens trains which emit what to me is pleasant musical tone sounds. Have any tube stock ever played in-carriage music?
I was thinking of the electric Network SouthEast Networker trains and trains built by Siemens. I admit to having not previously known about the trains seen in the two films a few messages above. I am stunned.
On the topic on in-carriage music, a few days ago I encountered some buskers inside a Circle line train. I filmed them... am toying with the idea of sharing this on YouTube. I accept that live music can be nice but absolutely do not want to be seen as encouraging this inside our trains.
btw, I actually upset them because when someone walked past me with a paper cup (obviously soliciting a donation) I did not offer him anything. I was having a plastic card day and had left home without any coins.
Anyway, since I do not want to encourage busking on our trains* it is my policy to never offer them donations. However, when I have coins in my pocket I do make donations to buskers at licensed pitches at stations.
(*Why not? can you imagine what would happen... once word got out that busking was seen as acceptable the system would soon become swamped with buskers and whilst some would be honourable people who were also good musicians and played nice tunes it would also attract other traders, pickpockets... and our entire railway system would become like an uncontrolled street market / bazaar. Safety would also be impacted because the traders would place their pitches in locations that partially block often crowded passageways and emergency exits.)
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Post by rincew1nd on Nov 23, 2018 16:18:19 GMT
Can we stick to the new trains and line upgrade, please?
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Post by metman on Nov 23, 2018 18:26:58 GMT
I wonder if they will have proper electronic passenger information displays. By which I mean maps that show things like direction of travel, the route being travelled, where we are in that journey, the next station, the interchange possibilities at the next station (buses too! - especially in suburban areas) etc. I am hoping for something more like that seen on the Class 700 trains than the S stock trains. At least these trains will only work on one line - unlike the S7 trains which work multiple lines and have multiple route maps that confuse unwary passengers. btw, a few weeks ago I was in Hong Kong and marvelled at the passenger information on their trains. London should be at that standard too. I also wonder what these trains will sound like - I am thinking of their electronic control gear, etc. I wonder if they will be like the other Siemens trains which emit what to me is pleasant musical tone sounds. I personally hate the sound of the Siemens trains. Can’t imagine how that’s going to sound echoing round a tube tunnel! |
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Post by metman on Nov 23, 2018 18:28:07 GMT
I wonder if a mock up will be exhibited again like the S taxi and 2009 tube stock?
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Post by alpinejohn on Nov 24, 2018 9:34:31 GMT
I wonder if they will have proper electronic passenger information displays ... . I personally hate the sound of the Siemens trains. Can’t imagine how that’s going to sound echoing round a tube tunnel! No need to imagine - I think the proposed Siemens trains are going to be based on their Inspiro design which is already in service in Warsaw line 2 - just watch the first 40 seconds on here … Youtube video As for the impact of the round tunnel walls on the deep level platform in London and especially the curved roofs, it should mean the echo will be somewhat reduced compared to Warsaw. From the video a lot of the sound appears to reverberate by bouncing directly off opposing vertical walls and as a result it is propagating along the whole platform. |
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Post by bearbin on Nov 24, 2018 11:53:44 GMT
alpinejohn your link appears to be missing - I found this video which illustrates your point though.
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Post by alpinejohn on Nov 24, 2018 13:15:07 GMT
Thanks Bearbin -
I was trying to link to this video
Whether that link will work or not I have no idea.
The first bit of that video provides an idea of sound levels experienced outside of this train type on the platforms and then an idea of sound levels experienced inside - which seem a lot lower.
As for the interior I guess TFL will choose a lot of interior finishes like seats and information screen design an placement to meet house style and other requirements. I doubt they will copy the idea of streaming advertising on some of their passenger information screens - unless someone makes it very well worth their while..
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Post by metman on Nov 24, 2018 20:15:09 GMT
Thank you very interesting. Could be worse I guess!
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Post by fleetline on Dec 10, 2018 23:22:45 GMT
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Post by rincew1nd on Dec 11, 2018 0:21:21 GMT
Isn't this a concept train built to support the bid rather than a mock-up of the actual design?.
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Post by MoreToJack on Dec 11, 2018 1:39:43 GMT
Isn't this a concept train built to support the bid rather than a mock-up of the actual design?. Correct. This design has had no input from TfL - whilst some features may carry through, the new trains are very heavily specced by TfL in terms of looks and functionality. |
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Post by PiccNT on Dec 11, 2018 16:12:37 GMT
content.tfl.gov.uk/fc-20181213-item07-tfl-business-plan-approval.pdfThe Business Plan has just been published. Within it, it states the following: Deep Tube Upgrade programme: Works to increase capacity will begin on the Piccadilly line with the introduction of a new fleet of trains. These trains will be delivered in 2023 and replace the current fleet, by which time it will be more than 50 years old. The new trains will be in service from 2024. We remain committed to delivering new signalling on the Piccadilly line, as well as the other deep Tube lines, but without confirmed capital funding beyond 2020, we have decided to work with our suppliers to review the programme so that it delivers in the most efficient way. We will therefore be discontinuing the current procurement to allow it to reflect our latest thinking in the future. Not quite sure if this means the upgrade to the signalling is on hold for now.
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Post by 100andthirty on Dec 11, 2018 16:26:05 GMT
Modern signalling is "just" a bunch of computers linked together by a communications network. The most permanent feature of the signalling is probably the cables, equipment cabinets and structures. Perhaps, therefore, LU might look at "renting" the signalling, which would then be upgraded gradually as the various hardware and software platforms are upgraded.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Feb 1, 2019 11:59:33 GMT
The plot thickens...
The Rt. Hon. Paul Wilson, MP for Sedgefield, whose constituency includes the Hitachi factory in Newton Aycliffe has written to Sadiq Khan claiming that two thirds of the new Piccadilly Line trains will be built in Austria not the UK because the new Siemens factory in East Yorkshire won't be operational until 2023 when the first new trains are due to be delivered.
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Post by Chris M on Feb 1, 2019 12:06:42 GMT
Unless the contract TfL has with Hitachi includes a clause about where the trains will be built, I'm not sure what TfL can do about this (assuming it's true)?
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Post by aslefshrugged on Feb 1, 2019 13:00:10 GMT
TfL doesn't have a contract with Hitachi, the bone of contention is that when Siemens were awarded the contract it was inferred that the new trains would be built in the UK, now it appears that most of them won't.
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Post by nig on Feb 1, 2019 15:38:25 GMT
just seen this www.railtechnologymagazine.com/Comment/siemens-deep-tube-keeping-london-moving-and the quote near the bottom is Our new rail manufacturing facility in Goole, East Riding of Yorkshire – which we announced plans to build in early 2018 and where a proportion of the trains will be made – will lead to the creation of up to 700 direct jobs (and another 250 in the construction phase), with a further 1,700 potential UK supply chain roles. |
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Post by superteacher on Feb 2, 2019 0:46:49 GMT
As long as the things work properly and are better than Bombardier’s offerings, I couldn’t care less where they are built! Of course I would prefer them to built in Britain as it supports jobs and the economy, but not at the expense of the project being delivered on time and to a high standard.
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Post by superteacher on Aug 12, 2019 21:08:03 GMT
Apologies for the bump, but I have been hearing conflicting noises about whether the new trains will be air conditioned or air cooled. Does anybody have any more info?
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