Elizabeth Line on the "tube map"

The cable car does keep line in its title. And with the DLR, it's a acronym so I assume that's the reason why it has (technically) managed to keep the word "railway". I think LT did a good move on the Tube Map when they showed the DLR with two lines while keeping the other LU lines as a solid colour. TfL were good to keep that IMO as it allowed them to add the other services onto the map. Although it's gotten a bit confusing, especially around Highbury where there are multiple LO meeting.

one other thought - how are services going to be structured. The map as is seems to imply that the Elizabeth (God bless Her Majesty)[1] Line runs from Heathrow to the two eastern termini only.

How are they going to indicate the fact that unlike (eg the Northern Line), it doesn't stop at the end stations marked. With LO stuff, they avoid the issue with trains out of Euston by having LO as a separate branded service, so you can't accidentally catch an LO train to Glasgow (yet...). Will there be bemused oystercarders washing up in Reading?

[1] I am of course standing to attention when I type this bit, and humming the national anthem...[2]
[2], I am of course being silly, but naming it after a serving monarch does raise some interesting questions about proper title and style. Will other trains be obliged to stand up when it comes in. And you mustn't turn your back on the monarch either...

In December 2018, it will only be running between Heathrow and Paddington (starting may 18), Paddington and Abbey wood, & Liverpool Street and Shenfield. May 2019 is when the Shenfield services start going through the core, and then finally in December 2019, the western services will start running to/from reading and into the core.

Once fully launched, the anticipated map will look something like this. Bemused oystercarders washing up in reading needn't worry as there should be oyster card reader in place by the time services start operating.

I remember when the Central line was completely horizontal all the way from Ealing Broadway to Mile End.

As a newcomer, Crossrail still didn't get line with it, because every one knew what it was. I suppose 'The Elizabeth' or 'Elizabeth' could refer to anything, even if anyone with an atom of sense would know if it's on a flaming Tube map, it still refers to a line, and not a chain of tofu snack bars.

Possibly.

I suppose we should give great thanks to

A) Kaiser Wilhelm II for WWI & making the Sax-Coburg-Gotha family change to Windsor, rather than at Windsor.

B) Various members of the renamed family for devaluing the monarchical coin sufficiently for the brown-nosers to stop at 'The Elizabeth Line' without adding imperials, HRH's etc.

I would ask if this was face down or up, but I fear it goes beyond the scope of this thread . . .

You could have the same argument for Shenfield when there are fast Greater Anglia services. Remember that some passengers want to travel to the intermediate stations though.

Believe it or not, there are those who prefer to take a direct train, even if it does take a fair bit longer.
if it was me travelling from Romford to Reading, I would take a GA train to Liverpool Street (stopping only at Stratford), go downstairs to the Elizabeth line, get that to Paddington then get a fast train to Reading,

However, sometimes it’s a false time economy waiting for a fast, as it may not be an easy connection with a bit of waiting around.

Not with the back-aching metro style seats on the 345's. Seriously, the s stock have such great seats, why did they take a step back?

Would it not be faster to change at Stratford even if trains were half as frequent as LST. You would really save time not needing to go down lengthy escalators.

I don't think that there will be much difference in dwell times between Crossrail and the tube, if anything Crossrail may win in the central section as the trains, stations and the interface between them are all designed from the beginning to allow the easy movement of very large numbers of people as quickly as possible between platform and train and vice versa.

With regard to direct or fast journeys, which I take for any particular journey depends on several factors such as whether I have a deadline, how much luggage I have, how tired I am, what the weather is, what the interchanges are like, how many other interchanges I have to make on my journey (and their nature), and any difference in cost (which partly depends on what other journeys I have/will make that day.

For example, if I was travelling from the east end of the Central line to Heathrow with a tight deadline and hand luggage only then I'd change at Holborn but if I had a lot of both time and luggage then I'd change at Mile End and Barons Court as the cross-platform interchanges are so much better than the crowded stairs, escalators and passages at Holborn.

The other week I was meeting some friends at South Kensington. Travelling from near Mudchute I got the DLR to Heron Quays, walked to Canary Wharf, got the Jubilee to Green Park and then the Picc to South Kensington. Walking quickly at all the interchanges this is the fastest route (or at least it feels like it!). On the way home, I was not pressed for time so I got the District to Monument, then the DLR all the way to Mudchute. It takes longer but the single, simple*, indoor interchange that is rarely crowded at in the evenings won out.

When it's raining or very cold I will often alight the DLR at Canary Wharf and get the bus home from there as it's a shorter walk from the bus stop than the station.

*If you follow signs to the Northern line from the eastbound SSR platform, rather than signs to the DLR which first takes you to the westbound side of the station.

Agree with Chris’s post above. It does raise the whole issue of how well you know the system. Like quite a few of us, Chris knows his way around and can make informed choices about his route dependent upon circumstances. Quite a number of people change from the District to the Picc at South Ken complete with luggage, clearly bound for Heathrow. They are obviously unaware of the far simpler cross platform interchange at Barons Court or Hammersmith.

The tube map is ghastly and I think the final nail in the coffin was the expansion of the Overground at Liverpool St and also having a region of zone 2/3 fares. The problem now is that I don't believe TfL are brave enough to improve it.