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Post by jamesb on Aug 6, 2017 0:17:52 GMT
Severe delays at present in addition to planned engineering works and no service 0125 - 0400 because of an absence of train operators.
I wonder how many trains are moving at any one time during the night tube service on the picadilly line?
At least passengers have been given clear information (relatively) in advance and can plan accordingly.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 0:34:43 GMT
The absence of Train Operators will be happening for a while now on the Picc as they've just made approx 15 Night Tube drivers full time.
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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 6, 2017 3:45:19 GMT
11 drivers short tonight, hence the problems.
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Post by rheostar on Aug 6, 2017 14:50:20 GMT
Severe delays at present in addition to planned engineering works and no service 0125 - 0400 because of an absence of train operators. I wonder how many trains are moving at any one time during the night tube service on the picadilly line? At least passengers have been given clear information (relatively) in advance and can plan accordingly. At 03:00 hrs there should be 21 trains in service on the Piccadilly line.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 15:28:04 GMT
The joys of the LU sickness policy
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 17:36:48 GMT
The joys of the LU sickness policy Not at all. Read by post above. At least 15 drivers from across the line have gone full time in the past 2 weeks
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Post by superteacher on Aug 6, 2017 19:00:14 GMT
The joys of the LU sickness policy Not at all. Read by post above. At least 15 drivers from across the line have gone full time in the past 2 weeks Just very poor management then!
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Post by MoreToJack on Aug 6, 2017 20:11:39 GMT
Indeed. Night Tube continues to create more problems than it solves. Plenty of successful trainees waiting for start dates because of the night tube lot jumping the queue...
(I think you all know my views on this by now. No, I still don't want to be a driver, before you start.)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 21:32:15 GMT
The joys of the LU sickness policy Not at all. Read by post above. At least 15 drivers from across the line have gone full time in the past 2 weeks It was a light hearted comment people are so serious
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 22:56:37 GMT
Planned 15 train cancellations and 11 Operator Not Available
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Post by aslefshrugged on Aug 7, 2017 7:31:57 GMT
From Finn Brennan's Facebook
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Post by rheostar on Aug 7, 2017 8:59:19 GMT
From Finn Brennan's Facebook I wonder what Finn thinks should've been put out as the reason.
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Post by philthetube on Aug 7, 2017 9:31:25 GMT
Whatever the reason it sounds as if they were not "absent"
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Post by rincew1nd on Aug 7, 2017 11:57:46 GMT
"Lack of train operators"
I think I've seen National Rail use this.
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Post by jacks on Aug 7, 2017 11:59:00 GMT
I wonder what Finn thinks should've been put out as the reason. Changing 'absence' to 'shortage' would probably suffice
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Post by North End on Aug 7, 2017 14:40:24 GMT
From Finn Brennan's Facebook I wonder what Finn thinks should've been put out as the reason. Failure to recruit sufficient train operators? Maybe it's the weather at the moment that makes me feel negative, however the atmosphere at LU of late feels like deckchairs being rearranged on a sinking ship. The current senior management just don't seem to have a grip on what's going on. Last year we had the farce of BTP being reportedly called in over the wheel flats fiasco (trains which had been running successfully for over three decades), only for the issue to have now quietly been put down to insufficient removal of vegetation.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 15:26:20 GMT
The should of put something in the night tube train op contract to state can not apply for full time until x.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 16:50:10 GMT
The should of put something in the night tube train op contract to state can not apply for full time until x. They did. It was 18 months but after a dispute it was reduced to 12 months. And we don't need to apply, we put in our two nominations just like the rest of the drivers and when they become valid and there is a vacancy then we get called. The problem is the company called a load of drivers in to full time positions on the Picc without bringing in new drivers to replace them.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Aug 7, 2017 18:41:18 GMT
I wonder what Finn thinks should've been put out as the reason. Failure to recruit sufficient train operators? Maybe it's the weather at the moment that makes me feel negative, however the atmosphere at LU of late feels like deckchairs being rearranged on a sinking ship. The current senior management just don't seem to have a grip on what's going on. Last year we had the farce of BTP being reportedly called in over the wheel flats fiasco (trains which had been running successfully for over three decades), only for the issue to have now quietly been put down to insufficient removal of vegetation. Why on earth would the BTP get involved? In the 38 years since I left school this truly is the worst company I've ever worked at for rumour, gossip and misinformation.
Read London Reconnections "Wear and Lathing in Northfields" for a full explanation of the wheel flats issue.
www.londonreconnections.com/2016/wear-and-lathing-problem-with-the-piccadilly-lines-trains/
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Post by North End on Aug 7, 2017 21:49:52 GMT
Failure to recruit sufficient train operators? Maybe it's the weather at the moment that makes me feel negative, however the atmosphere at LU of late feels like deckchairs being rearranged on a sinking ship. The current senior management just don't seem to have a grip on what's going on. Last year we had the farce of BTP being reportedly called in over the wheel flats fiasco (trains which had been running successfully for over three decades), only for the issue to have now quietly been put down to insufficient removal of vegetation. Why on earth would the BTP get involved? In the 38 years since I left school this truly is the worst company I've ever worked at for rumour, gossip and misinformation.
Read London Reconnections "Wear and Lathing in Northfields" for a full explanation of the wheel flats issue.
www.londonreconnections.com/2016/wear-and-lathing-problem-with-the-piccadilly-lines-trains/
I understand there was a feeling that drivers may have been deliberately driving in such a way as to be encouraging flats to develop - presumably dropping the handle in strategic locations. One presumes BTP weren't interested!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 22:56:29 GMT
Even with a data recorder it be hard to prove
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Post by nig on Aug 7, 2017 22:56:48 GMT
Failure to recruit sufficient train operators? Maybe it's the weather at the moment that makes me feel negative, however the atmosphere at LU of late feels like deckchairs being rearranged on a sinking ship. The current senior management just don't seem to have a grip on what's going on. Last year we had the farce of BTP being reportedly called in over the wheel flats fiasco (trains which had been running successfully for over three decades), only for the issue to have now quietly been put down to insufficient removal of vegetation. Why on earth would the BTP get involved? In the 38 years since I left school this truly is the worst company I've ever worked at for rumour, gossip and misinformation.
Read London Reconnections "Wear and Lathing in Northfields" for a full explanation of the wheel flats issue.
www.londonreconnections.com/2016/wear-and-lathing-problem-with-the-piccadilly-lines-trains/
For info,Date: 25 November 2016 Issued to: All London Underground employees An update on current Piccadilly line disruption Not all rumours memo from the boss last year Dear All I wanted to update you all on the current challenges we are facing on the Piccadilly line and the actions we are taking to improve things for our customers. During the last few days, an unusually high proportion of trains on the Piccadilly line have had to be taken out of service as a result of ‘flatted’ wheels. Train wheels that slide on a rail can pick up a flat-spot that can affect the smooth running of the train and in severe cases, can actually damage both the track and the train. There is a greater risk of this type of sliding during the autumn leaf fall season due to reduced levels of adhesion (the rails become more slippery). When the wheel flats reach a certain size, the train has to be taken out of service. This is not unique to the Piccadilly line or indeed the Underground and presents a challenge to engineers and operations staff every year. As of this morning, the Piccadilly line is operating with over half of its train fleet unavailable as a result of flatted wheels. As a consequence, we have had to suspend customer services between Acton Town and Uxbridge on the Piccadilly line and the other parts of the line are operating at ‘Severe Delays’. We have strengthened bus services in the affected areas to help our customers and also introduced ticket acceptance until further notice. Everyone is working hard to repair the trains and get us back to a Good Service across the line as quickly as possible while trying to minimise the effect on our customers in the mean time. However, with so many trains affected, it could take some time for the line to fully recover. Clearly this is having a really significant impact for thousands of our customers and we need to take urgent action to address the root causes and get our service back to normal. To support this, Tony Matthews, the Piccadilly line General Manager has commissioned a Formal Investigation Report (FIR) into this disruption. This investigation will be forensic in its examination of the facts and will involve asset and operational staff, engineering specialists, the British Transport Police, the ORR and trade union representatives. It will seek to identify why this has happened and make recommendations that will stop it happening again. Thank you to all of the teams working hard to repair the trains and those supporting our customers through this significant disruption. Regards Steve Steve Griffiths Chief Operating Officer, London Underground
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Post by aslefshrugged on Aug 8, 2017 7:24:32 GMT
Fair enough although it doesn't actually state why BTP being asked to contribute to the FIR
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Post by Chris M on Aug 8, 2017 7:49:18 GMT
it doesn't actually state why BTP being asked to contribute to the FIR A highly likely reason for some of the more outlandish rumours.
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Post by piccboy on Aug 8, 2017 9:51:51 GMT
For info,Date: 25 November 2016 Issued to: All London Underground employees An update on current Piccadilly line disruption Not all rumours memo from the boss last year Dear All I wanted to update you all on the current challenges we are facing on the Piccadilly line and the actions we are taking to improve things for our customers. During the last few days, an unusually high proportion of trains on the Piccadilly line have had to be taken out of service as a result of ‘flatted’ wheels. Train wheels that slide on a rail can pick up a flat-spot that can affect the smooth running of the train and in severe cases, can actually damage both the track and the train. There is a greater risk of this type of sliding during the autumn leaf fall season due to reduced levels of adhesion (the rails become more slippery). When the wheel flats reach a certain size, the train has to be taken out of service. This is not unique to the Piccadilly line or indeed the Underground and presents a challenge to engineers and operations staff every year. As of this morning, the Piccadilly line is operating with over half of its train fleet unavailable as a result of flatted wheels. As a consequence, we have had to suspend customer services between Acton Town and Uxbridge on the Piccadilly line and the other parts of the line are operating at ‘Severe Delays’. We have strengthened bus services in the affected areas to help our customers and also introduced ticket acceptance until further notice. Everyone is working hard to repair the trains and get us back to a Good Service across the line as quickly as possible while trying to minimise the effect on our customers in the mean time. However, with so many trains affected, it could take some time for the line to fully recover. Clearly this is having a really significant impact for thousands of our customers and we need to take urgent action to address the root causes and get our service back to normal. To support this, Tony Matthews, the Piccadilly line General Manager has commissioned a Formal Investigation Report (FIR) into this disruption. This investigation will be forensic in its examination of the facts and will involve asset and operational staff, engineering specialists, the British Transport Police, the ORR and trade union representatives. It will seek to identify why this has happened and make recommendations that will stop it happening again. Thank you to all of the teams working hard to repair the trains and those supporting our customers through this significant disruption. Regards Steve Steve Griffiths Chief Operating Officer, London Underground Is there any idea of when this investigation is going to be completed?
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Post by North End on Aug 8, 2017 11:47:56 GMT
For info,Date: 25 November 2016 Issued to: All London Underground employees An update on current Piccadilly line disruption Not all rumours memo from the boss last year Dear All I wanted to update you all on the current challenges we are facing on the Piccadilly line and the actions we are taking to improve things for our customers. During the last few days, an unusually high proportion of trains on the Piccadilly line have had to be taken out of service as a result of ‘flatted’ wheels. Train wheels that slide on a rail can pick up a flat-spot that can affect the smooth running of the train and in severe cases, can actually damage both the track and the train. There is a greater risk of this type of sliding during the autumn leaf fall season due to reduced levels of adhesion (the rails become more slippery). When the wheel flats reach a certain size, the train has to be taken out of service. This is not unique to the Piccadilly line or indeed the Underground and presents a challenge to engineers and operations staff every year. As of this morning, the Piccadilly line is operating with over half of its train fleet unavailable as a result of flatted wheels. As a consequence, we have had to suspend customer services between Acton Town and Uxbridge on the Piccadilly line and the other parts of the line are operating at ‘Severe Delays’. We have strengthened bus services in the affected areas to help our customers and also introduced ticket acceptance until further notice. Everyone is working hard to repair the trains and get us back to a Good Service across the line as quickly as possible while trying to minimise the effect on our customers in the mean time. However, with so many trains affected, it could take some time for the line to fully recover. Clearly this is having a really significant impact for thousands of our customers and we need to take urgent action to address the root causes and get our service back to normal. To support this, Tony Matthews, the Piccadilly line General Manager has commissioned a Formal Investigation Report (FIR) into this disruption. This investigation will be forensic in its examination of the facts and will involve asset and operational staff, engineering specialists, the British Transport Police, the ORR and trade union representatives. It will seek to identify why this has happened and make recommendations that will stop it happening again. Thank you to all of the teams working hard to repair the trains and those supporting our customers through this significant disruption. Regards Steve Steve Griffiths Chief Operating Officer, London Underground Is there any idea of when this investigation is going to be completed? The investigation is complete, and in summary the issue is being put down to high levels of leaf fall due to insufficient cutting back of vegetation in the period leading up to autumn. As an aside, the name at the bottom of the quote won't be heard again. The individual concerned left LU earlier this year, seemingly at short notice. Five minute wonder senior management is another symptom of things not being too good at present.
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Post by nig on Aug 11, 2017 13:37:26 GMT
looks like they still blaming drivers Brian Woodhead, LU's operations director for the Piccadilly line, said: "I apologise to customers who were unable to use Night Tube services on the Piccadilly line last weekend because some train drivers were absent due to sickness. nothing about they are short of night tube drivers www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40901812
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Post by superteacher on Aug 11, 2017 14:25:18 GMT
looks like they still blaming drivers Brian Woodhead, LU's operations director for the Piccadilly line, said: "I apologise to customers who were unable to use Night Tube services on the Piccadilly line last weekend because some train drivers were absent due to sickness. nothing about they are short of night tube drivers www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40901812You really don't expect management to admit to their own incompetence, do you now?
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Post by jacks on Aug 12, 2017 23:33:31 GMT
I've just gone onto the TfL website to see if there's any indication of this weekend having a repeat of the same trouble as the last and found "Minor delays between Acton Town and Heathrow Airport due to operational difficulties". Is this the new way of saying they've promoted too many Night tube drivers in one go or something unrelated - the vaguest update message I can recall seeing
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Post by nig on Aug 13, 2017 12:56:08 GMT
I've just gone onto the TfL website to see if there's any indication of this weekend having a repeat of the same trouble as the last and found "Minor delays between Acton Town and Heathrow Airport due to operational difficulties". Is this the new way of saying they've promoted too many Night tube drivers in one go or something unrelated - the vaguest update message I can recall seeing yes operational difficulties are due to lack of night tube operators on the book the master plan is to have certain trains cancelled to make 4 trains an hour instead of 6 and if a gap of over 45 minutes occur they will suspend the service
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