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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 19:29:41 GMT
Hi everyone
For the last year i have been using the central line between Stratford and Gants Hill. Some of the noises this line makes are crazy loud, the first lot of noise is leaving Stratford east bound where it dives into the tunnel making all sorts of banging and clanging kind of noises. But the worst noise I think i have ever heard on a tube line is going from Wanstead to Leytonstone it must be about 20ish seconds before exiting the tunnel that this very loud sound that lasts around 3-4 seconds occurs. I cover my ears every time as the sound is just awful and i've noticed other passengers doing the same. Is anyone familiar what i describe? What is causing it?
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Post by rincew1nd on Feb 6, 2017 19:38:19 GMT
Could you describe the sound for those of us who don't regularly ride this part of the Central? Is it a sudden inrush of air, or something different?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 19:41:12 GMT
I suppose its kind of like a grinding noise, its hard to describe in detail. Tomorrow i could take a recording of it and upload it here/somewhere else.
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Post by Rich32 on Feb 6, 2017 19:56:32 GMT
I know exactly the noise you describe, living on the Hainault branch too. The noise started after a weekend possession, so I'd think its probably to do with either rail grinding or some adjustment to the cant of the track. I'm sure some of our members who are Central line drivers or station staff, who will be more knowledgeable, can conform or correct my suspicions.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 20:03:53 GMT
I know exactly the noise you describe, living on the Hainault branch too. The noise started after a weekend possession, so I'd think its probably to do with either rail grinding or some adjustment to the cant of the track. I'm sure some of our members who are Central line drivers or station staff, who will be more knowledgeable, can conform or correct my suspicions. I have the same suspicions  Mind you, for me personally, I always found Wanstead to Gants Hill to be particularly bad for wailing rails. |
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Post by ted672 on Feb 6, 2017 20:17:41 GMT
I've also experienced the problem between between Wasnstead and Leytonstone, as well as the general noise from the track throughout the extension. I wonder if it is in part due to the substrate of the tunnel invert from its use as a factory?
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Post by stapler on Feb 6, 2017 21:49:04 GMT
The factory use was 4 years of light engineering, with wheeled trolleys. I would imagine not significant compared with heavy EMUs over 65 years or so, packed with an enormous human freight
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 10:05:10 GMT
Bethnal Green now sounds the same. There was works there overnight late last year.
From what I've heard from management is that it is to reduce noise being heard from street level and the buildings above the line.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Feb 9, 2017 10:30:34 GMT
Holland Park to Notting Hill Gate eastbound is another bad spot
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Post by class411 on Feb 9, 2017 10:53:43 GMT
Can anyone who's used both say whether the noise referred to here is as bad as some areas of the Victoria Line, north of King's Cross.
That was truly awful - although I must have become inured to it as I can't even remember if it's improved of late.
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Post by nickf on Feb 10, 2017 18:33:12 GMT
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Post by londonboy on Feb 12, 2017 21:56:10 GMT
Normally very Noisy whining sound after rail grinding I did notice the Rails at Stratford had been Grinded when i was there not so long ago
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2017 9:29:37 GMT
That blog was an interesting read. So its ok to reduce the noise for those above ground but they don't care about the culmative hearing damage that the passengers are receiving? Anyone know who i can write to in this regard? In the mean time i think ill buy some ear muffs.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Feb 14, 2017 13:43:15 GMT
That blog was an interesting read. So its ok to reduce the noise for those above ground but they don't care about the culmative hearing damage that the passengers are receiving? Anyone know who i can write to in this regard? In the mean time i think ill buy some ear muffs. There are no legal limits to noise from existing railways. If you think that noise levels are affecting your health contact your local council who will investigate on your behalf. www.gov.uk/noise-pollution-road-train-plane/railway-noiseI suspect that was written with trains in open section in mind rather than in deep level tunnels. I'd guess the noisy section is LB of Redbridge |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2017 14:41:58 GMT
That blog was an interesting read. So its ok to reduce the noise for those above ground but they don't care about the culmative hearing damage that the passengers are receiving? Anyone know who i can write to in this regard? In the mean time i think ill buy some ear muffs. There are no legal limits to noise from existing railways. If you think that noise levels are affecting your health contact your local council who will investigate on your behalf. www.gov.uk/noise-pollution-road-train-plane/railway-noiseI suspect that was written with trains in open section in mind rather than in deep level tunnels. I'd guess the noisy section is LB of Redbridge Well that noise is very loud and shrill, its a good thing it lasts only a few seconds as i think it could cause some hearing damage. |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Feb 15, 2017 4:27:10 GMT
Under the Control of Noise at Work Regulations 2005 anything over 85 decibels is regarded as a hazard to hearing
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 22:18:53 GMT
I notice that this issue now seems to have been fixed. I wonder if this thread was fed back to management somehow? Or, do they have CCTV in the trains? Maybe they saw me putting my finger in my ear at exactly the same place every day!
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 8:48:59 GMT
I notice that this issue now seems to have been fixed. I wonder if this thread was fed back to management somehow? Or, do they have CCTV in the trains? Maybe they saw me putting my finger in my ear at exactly the same place every day! There were a lot of complaints from both staff and passengers. They've also redone Notting Hill Gate as well. |
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Post by londonboy on May 30, 2017 14:38:17 GMT
After trains have run along the grinded track for a few weeks the noise dies down
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Post by spsmiler on May 30, 2017 19:55:31 GMT
I saw somewhere earlier today (Todays Railways UK, I think) that at an unspecified future date this section of line is to be relaid.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Jun 3, 2017 19:36:08 GMT
From the cab you can see the section of track Wanstead - Leytonstone Westbound where the noise was worst has new rail clips although its hard to tell at 65kph if these are the Pandrol Vanguard system I think was mentioned (hey, I just drive the trains........).
I'll be going Eastbound from White City in about ten minutes and see if I can spot new clips anywhere else.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2017 20:14:10 GMT
From the cab you can see the section of track Wanstead - Leytonstone Westbound where the noise was worst has new rail clips although its hard to tell at 65kph if these are the Pandrol Vanguard system I think was mentioned (hey, I just drive the trains........). I'll be going Eastbound from White City in about ten minutes and see if I can spot new clips anywhere else. On the approach to Notting Hill Gate, although these have recently been replaced again to reduce the noise in the tunnel. |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Jun 4, 2017 7:03:41 GMT
Bright, shiny new clips on Liverpool Street - Bethnal Green eastbound
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 16:51:17 GMT
The noise has started to get louder again. It was alot quiter for a few months but it has got notably louder and i am back to covering my ears with my hands and i notice others doing it also. Not good at all, i am glad i am only using this line ten minutes each day. I assume drivers are wearing ear protection.
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Post by drainrat on Jun 29, 2017 18:10:52 GMT
The noise has started to get louder again. It was alot quiter for a few months but it has got notably louder and i am back to covering my ears with my hands and i notice others doing it also. Not good at all, i am glad i am only using this line ten minutes each day. I assume drivers are wearing ear protection. Most don't |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 16:50:42 GMT
Wanstead to Leytonstone is the worst noise I have experienced on all lines and one that has been there for longer than i would care to remember. A part of the westbound between Stratford and Mile End would have a podium finish in the noise levels stakes!
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Post by patstonuk on Jul 19, 2017 11:18:30 GMT
Even 50 and more years ago the Central between Bethnal Green and Leyton, where I was a regular (albeit young!) user, was extremely noisy - and with a very lively ride as an added attraction.
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Post by drainrat on Jul 25, 2017 16:45:36 GMT
Wanstead to Leytonstone is the worst noise I have experienced on all lines and one that has been there for longer than i would care to remember. A part of the westbound between Stratford and Mile End would have a podium finish in the noise levels stakes! Approaching Bethnal Green EB And I used to be the pnrsuperstar of the central one 😂😂😂 |
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Post by jamesb on Jul 31, 2017 9:51:02 GMT
According to the article below, the noise issue between Wanstead and Leytonstone was recently raised with TfL at a transport scrutiny meeting in Redbridge. Directly from the article "... The issue first arose when TfL inserted a large piece of rubber into a section of the underground to stop the line being so noisy for residents living nearby. While it did decrease the sound by quite a few decibels on the outside, it made it louder for those inside the carriage. We are going to replace sections of rail in October with high quality steel which doesn’t degrade as quickly – We are really hopefully that it will reduce the noise,” www.ilfordrecorder.co.uk/news/the-central-line-is-getting-new-air-conditioned-trains-1-5115247 |
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