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Post by Dom K on Feb 3, 2017 21:39:41 GMT
Based on the Madrid metro thread, it got me thinking and reminiscing about Metros I have been on other than London.
Metros I have been on
Tyne & wear Liverpool Paris New York LA
Each are very different but I enjoyed the train sounds of the LA metro, and the trains they use in Liverpool that are similar to the 315s they use in London. NY is a different metro (or subway) in that it maintly runs along avenues with a few travelling along the streets (unlike London criss cross Underground)
What are other people's memories and experiences
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Post by snoggle on Feb 3, 2017 22:03:49 GMT
Obviously it depends on how you define "metro" as to what would be included but I think I've been on the following systems.
London, Tyne and Wear, Glasgow, Liverpool, Paris, Lyon, Lille, Lausanne, Brussels, Charleroi, Oslo, Berlin, Munich, Vienna, Wuppertal, Budapest, Koln, Sydney (more like Crossrail really), Milan, New York, San Francisco, Toronto, Istanbul, Hong Kong, Singapore, Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Den Haag (Randstad Rail), Tokyo (both subway systems plus other rail services run in tunnel), Yokohama.
There are a number of european countries I've never visited, eg Spain, so I've got lots of Metro catching up to do.
All networks have their quirks and traits. Hard to say if I have a favourite system although I've always been impressed with the high reliability and efficiency in the Far East systems.
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Post by Chris M on Feb 3, 2017 23:04:38 GMT
Outside London I've been on Tyne and Wear, Glasgow, Liverpool, Milan, Frankfurt, Paris, Munich and Malaga. I failed to convince my parents to take a trip on the BART in San Francisco (I was 15) when we were there, we did take a couple of trips on the cable cars though. I've also been on trams in Milan, Frankfurt, Manchester, Nottingham, Crich, Sheffield and Munich.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 13:30:52 GMT
Tyne and Wear pretty much feels like the early DLR, in that a lot of it was quickly and cheaply built from kits, so all the stations look the same, especially the "awnings" on the underground sections, which are the same used on lots of the overground sections (except Haymarket, that got re-built by a local private consortium and looks much more like a tube station). The big problem is that the refurbishment of the Metrocars was not good enough and they basically fixed them up cosmetically, but didn't deal with the ageing traction packages, which means the service has gone right down the pan.
The New York subway is very......functional. It certainly doesn't have the same feeling of safety that the London Underground gives you. All the stations are dark and grotty, even the above-ground ones, which seem to have the minimum amount of work done to them.
The Paris Metro varies wildly depending on the line you're on. The more "touristy" the line (1 and 14 especially) the nicer it is. Some of the RER is nice, some of it is just cut and cover concrete slabs.
The Rome metro is generally nice although has a lot of graffiti.
Merseyrail's an S-Bahn really, but pretty good, decent frequencies on Sundays too. The 508s are being run into the ground though, although the refurbishment is pretty decent.
Hamburg's S and U-Bahns are fantastic, good frequency, generally nice stations.
Lyon has all kinds of different things, from Funicular railways with an actual service, to tyred metros, to trams, to tram-trains, but all integrated and generally pretty modern in appearance and feel.
Then you're looking at Stadtbahns which I guess are "Metros" rather than "Trams" but very much bridge that gap. Cologne and Stuttgart were both pretty nice, but they end up very busy, because they have to deal with Metro-style capacity.
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Post by countryman on Feb 8, 2017 13:44:02 GMT
The New York subway is very......functional. It certainly doesn't have the same feeling of safety that the London Underground gives you. All the stations are dark and grotty, even the above-ground ones, which seem to have the minimum amount of work done to them. Although it is functional, all unpained stainless steel and plastic seat, I didn't feel particularly uneasy. But then, most of my travel was Manhatten, Queens, Coney Island and the A Train to Howard Beach for JFK. What I was impressed by was the 4 track layout, enabling some of the journeys to be considerably speeded up. Also, we arrived on Sunday so our trip on the A Train from Howard Beach to Columbus Circle was actually partly via the J train route. The other thing I wasn't too keen on was the Stars and Stripes on every car. Come to that, I'm not too keen on it being plastered over so many Union Pacific diesels.
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Post by class411 on Feb 8, 2017 13:50:46 GMT
The only unusual one is Cairo.
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Post by countryman on Feb 8, 2017 15:11:51 GMT
The only unusual one is Cairo. How is it unusual?
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Post by class411 on Feb 8, 2017 15:26:13 GMT
The only unusual one is Cairo. How is it unusual? It's unusual in that it's the only one I've been on that no one else had already mentioned. Sorry, I was rather unclear.
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Post by trash80 on Feb 8, 2017 18:12:55 GMT
Liverpool, Beijing, HK and Singapore. Oh and the Midlands Metro too if we are including that!
The Asian metros i have been on are all quite a few years ago now and so have probably changed beyond recognition.
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Post by gantshill on Feb 8, 2017 19:48:05 GMT
To pick two metro systems from many that I have been on. In 1985 I helped guide over 100 young adults from Europe, Africa and India through New York in the morning rush hour in order to catch a coach. At that time, I was a young adult. The journey involved a change of subway line and I am proud to say that we lost nobody. In 1986 I travelled on most of the East Berlin U-bahn system, and some of the East Berlin S-bahn, including one stretch that transversed the Berlin Wall border area.
One metro system that got away was that I didn't manage to travel under East Berlin on a West Berlin U-bahn line, so I never experienced the ghost stations.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 21:00:04 GMT
Stockholm (4 part Metro - 1. deep-level tubes 2. SSR 3. overground 4. Tvärbana - which in essence is a railway-tram that goes underground and overground but also runs alongside the roads and even has some elevated sections, imagine the DLR with trams with drivers. Tvärbanan has both dedicated enclosed stations, but also open street-level tram stops. The true road trams in Stockholm however belong to the bus network not the metro network)
Gothenburg (tram-based) Liverpool/Birkenhead DART (Dublin Area Rapid Transit) Brussels (A tram-based system, with the odd sensation of often going underground in a tram) Rome Paris Oslo Lisbon Copenhagen Frankfurt Tallinn Tbilisi Been to Amsterdam twice but walked everywhere.
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Post by 315 on Feb 8, 2017 21:11:49 GMT
Considering it is such a young system, the Warsaw Metro has a good assortment of stock from Alstom and Siemens to Metrowagonmash. The Russian built Metrowagonmash 81-717.3 have exceptional motor sounds, rattles and more!
Some of the stations on the recently opened M2 line are also quite stunning.
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Post by rsdworker on Feb 8, 2017 22:11:14 GMT
i visited Tallinn but didnt not use trams or metro there because we didnt know if was accessible for disabled so only used bus transport which was poor access for wheelchair however OSLO and copehagan and others was wheelchair accessible the Bergen has trams
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Post by countryman on Feb 9, 2017 9:07:33 GMT
No-one has mentioned Boston. Three metro style lines, which are really showing age. Also the strange Green Line, using trams with a strange underground section, street running, and some of the outer sections like a traditional railway.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 10:03:43 GMT
No-one has mentioned Boston. Three metro style lines, which are really showing age. Also the strange Green Line, using trams with a strange underground section, street running, and some of the outer sections like a traditional railway. I like your use of the word "strange" twice. Puts me in mind of something Victorian or Edwardian; and also that first great Caleb Carr novel "The Alienist".
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Post by countryman on Feb 9, 2017 10:09:40 GMT
No-one has mentioned Boston. Three metro style lines, which are really showing age. Also the strange Green Line, using trams with a strange underground section, street running, and some of the outer sections like a traditional railway. I like your use of the word "strange" twice. Puts me in mind of something Victorian or Edwardian; and also that first great Caleb Carr novel "The Alienist". Perhaps I should have used 'singular' like Sherlock Holmes (Jeremy Brett version).
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Post by aslefshrugged on Feb 9, 2017 10:15:53 GMT
Paris Tyne & Wear New York Chicago Washington DC
The Chicago Blue Line serves O'Hare airport so that was the first one I travelled on, I was sat in the front car and saw the driver lean out the cab window to check the PTI while they closed the doors, very basic DOO. At Addison there was a noticeable curve to the platform, obviously the driver couldn't see the rear cars but I didn't see any platform monitors and the driver closed up while leaning out of the cab window as they'd done at every other stop. Guess safety isn't such a big thing over there.
There are three stations inside The Loop, Washington, Monroe and Jackson that share the same island platform so if you want you can walk from one station to the other without bothering to get on a train. It was a little disconcerting as I was getting off at Monroe and was waiting for the train to enter the tunnel after Washington before making a move towards the door.
The stations on the Washington Metro are just depressingly gloomy and the brakes are savage. The seats are shiny, my friend was wearing a leather coat and when the train stopped she almost slid off onto the floor. Despite the rolling stock being built between 1973 and 2008 it all looks identical apart from the Silver Line which will eventually go all the way out to Dulles airport, nearly 30 miles from the city centre, at the moment it stops about 7 miles short at Wiehle–Reston East with a shuttle bus in between.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 10:24:42 GMT
I like your use of the word "strange" twice. Puts me in mind of something Victorian or Edwardian; and also that first great Caleb Carr novel "The Alienist". Perhaps I should have used 'singular' like Sherlock Holmes (Jeremy Brett version). Absolutely not sir, you must retain American idiomatic speech when referring to American rail systems Strange is good.
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Post by class411 on Feb 9, 2017 10:31:08 GMT
Paris Tyne & Wear New York Chicago Washington DC The Chicago Blue Line serves O'Hare airport so that was the first one I travelled on, I was sat in the front car and saw the driver lean out the cab window to check the PTI while they closed the doors, very basic DOO. PTI? DOO? (I guess that DOO is driver only operation but I've never seen that initialism before.)
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Post by siriami on Feb 9, 2017 10:40:38 GMT
In the past few years I have visited Chicago, Berlin (fascinating system - a must-see at Wittenbergplatz station is the London Underground roundel sign, given to them by LT),Vienna, Frankfurt, Brussels and Paris. Hamburg is next in May.
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Post by countryman on Feb 9, 2017 10:52:27 GMT
In the past few years I have visited Chicago, Berlin (fascinating system - a must-see at Wittenbergplatz station is the London Underground roundel sign, given to them by LT),Vienna, Frankfurt, Brussels and Paris. Hamburg is next in May. While you are in Hamburg, don't miss the largest model railway in the world in one of the old warehouses. You may need to book on-line. I'm told they have built a wall round the American section!
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Post by aslefshrugged on Feb 9, 2017 11:22:25 GMT
Platform Train Interface i.e. where people getting on and off the train
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Post by class411 on Feb 9, 2017 11:29:40 GMT
Platform Train Interface i.e. where people getting on and off the train Thanks. I got stuck thinking the first word was 'passenger'. But I though that even the Americans would not stoop to calling a door a Passenger Train Interface (even if that is exactly what it is!)
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Post by aslefshrugged on Feb 9, 2017 11:34:20 GMT
Except its not a door, people fall down the gap between the train and the platform (part of the PTI) not the gap in the door.
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Post by stapler on Feb 9, 2017 11:36:57 GMT
Isn't "station"or even "platform" the English for Passenger Train interface?
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Post by aslefshrugged on Feb 9, 2017 11:40:28 GMT
Isn't "station"or even "platform" the English for Passenger Train interface? When the train isn't there its just the platform, when passengers are going between the two in either direction its the PTI.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 11:57:57 GMT
I would have thought that the nonsense modern term PTI refers to the whole action of getting on and off the train, and can only exist when a passenger is getting on or off a train.
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Post by Chris M on Feb 9, 2017 12:24:16 GMT
No, PTI (as the name suggests) refers to the whole interface between the train and platform and encompasses the physical aspects (size, shape) as well as the interaction of people and objects with the interface. Getting on and off a train is by far the most common way of interacting with the PTI but it is not the only one - falling between train and platform (whether or not attempting to alight or board), leaning against the train, dropping something in the gap, getting hit by a train while standing on a platform, etc. are all interactions with the PTI.
The term might be modern, but the thing has existed as long as trains have called at platforms and it is far from nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 16:40:07 GMT
No, PTI (as the name suggests) refers to the whole interface between the train and platform and encompasses the physical aspects (size, shape) as well as the interaction of people and objects with the interface. Getting on and off a train is by far the most common way of interacting with the PTI but it is not the only one - falling between train and platform (whether or not attempting to alight or board), leaning against the train, dropping something in the gap, getting hit by a train while standing on a platform, etc. are all interactions with the PTI. The term might be modern, but the thing has existed as long as trains have called at platforms and it is far from nonsense. You're misreading me, I have never said that the phenomenon is nonsense, just that so many modern terms are nonsense.
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Post by trt on Feb 9, 2017 16:47:05 GMT
Well I don't know if it's that modern. Back in 2000, when I was assisting with the design of a college car park, the design team from council highways kept referring to minimising the "Vehicle/Pedestrian Risk Interface", meaning both the areas and the methods by which they kept the two apart. Putting up metal railings alongside the path counted as reducing the VPRI, even though the length of the bit where the path met the road was the same.
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