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Post by North End on Feb 9, 2017 20:13:32 GMT
No, PTI (as the name suggests) refers to the whole interface between the train and platform and encompasses the physical aspects (size, shape) as well as the interaction of people and objects with the interface. Getting on and off a train is by far the most common way of interacting with the PTI but it is not the only one - falling between train and platform (whether or not attempting to alight or board), leaning against the train, dropping something in the gap, getting hit by a train while standing on a platform, etc. are all interactions with the PTI. The term might be modern, but the thing has existed as long as trains have called at platforms and it is far from nonsense. You're misreading me, I have never said that the phenomenon is nonsense, just that so many modern terms are nonsense. Yes much to do with the modern railway is nonsense.
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Feb 9, 2017 20:53:10 GMT
Just briefly before we stray too far, does anybody know when the phrase "Platform Train Interface" was first coined as it certainly wasn't in use during my youth and also, what was it referred to as previously?
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Post by rincew1nd on Feb 9, 2017 21:08:50 GMT
Back on topic, I've had a think about the various metros I've been on. As snoggle said on page one it can depend on how you define "metro", so I'm going to use a fairly wide definition: An intensive rail service in a metropolitan area. London (Underground, Overground, DLR and trams) (might be obvious for this forum, but there might be members who haven't!) Liverpool (obvious for me as I live there!) Manchester (HWMBO lives there) Glasgow Subway Edinburgh trams Newcastle Metro Bkackpool trams Sheffield trams Nottingham trams Birmingham trams Croydon trams Paris (Metro and RER) And alas that's it, unless you want to count the various funiculars in ski resorts; I've not counted as they're not in metropolitan areas.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 21:19:29 GMT
Hong Kong's system is very good - nice and clean at all times - frequent trains - reasonable fares - and of course new platform safety screens on every platform face - carefully retrofitted between 1998 and 2011 to all stations on the MTR (The KCR appears to be next in line for the works).
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Post by countryman on Feb 9, 2017 22:06:16 GMT
Hong Kong's system is very good - nice and clean at all times - frequent trains - reasonable fares - and of course new platform safety screens on every platform face - carefully retrofitted between 1998 and 2011 to all stations on the MTR (The KCR appears to be next in line for the works). Sorry. MTR? KCR?
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Post by grahamhewett on Feb 9, 2017 23:15:28 GMT
@innercircle - I fear that Tallinn has only trams,no metro. It's a well-organised 4 route system with mostly street running plus some running on reservation. No tunnels, no metro vehicles, all boarding at ground level - -only trams.(If Tallinn has a metro than so has every country in the world that has a conventional tramway system...) I write as somebody who lived in Tallinn for two years during which I travelled the entire system many times. There *are* some hybrid systems such as the Brussels and Charleroi pre-metro systems where conventional trams run in tunnels in the city centre but run as conventional trams in the suburbs (like Boston as mentioned by countryman ) . The trickiest metro system I have used so far is the St Petersburg one - the stations all have platform edge doors; the doors are blank and so are the platform edge walls between the doors, so on arrival at a station there is no visual indication of where you are at all - you have to rely on counting the stations and the difficult to follow Russian announcements. And of course, the Moscow system has the best stations.
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Post by siriami on Feb 10, 2017 9:46:49 GMT
In the past few years I have visited Chicago, Berlin (fascinating system - a must-see at Wittenbergplatz station is the London Underground roundel sign, given to them by LT),Vienna, Frankfurt, Brussels and Paris. Hamburg is next in May. While you are in Hamburg, don't miss the largest model railway in the world in one of the old warehouses. You may need to book on-line. I'm told they have built a wall round the American section! This is on my "to do" list - I think I will take your advice and pre-book online - thanks!
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Post by rsdworker on Feb 10, 2017 15:25:41 GMT
St Petersburg has few platform edge doors but not all stations only two or three stations
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Post by grahamhewett on Feb 10, 2017 16:16:56 GMT
It must have been the line I used then...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2017 20:54:57 GMT
Hong Kong's system is very good - nice and clean at all times - frequent trains - reasonable fares - and of course new platform safety screens on every platform face - carefully retrofitted between 1998 and 2011 to all stations on the MTR (The KCR appears to be next in line for the works). Sorry. MTR? KCR? Hong Kong has their "Tube" network called the MTR, and their Overground Trains called "KCR", hence the titles used. (Mass Transit Rail) and (Kowloon-Canton Railway).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2017 23:55:48 GMT
I think this is all of them:
Perth (Australia) Melbourne Sydney Adelaide Frankfert London Hong Kong Singapore New Deli Paris Brussels
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Post by Dmitri on Feb 13, 2017 8:52:53 GMT
Tallinn has only trams, no metro Yes, indeed . The trickiest metro system I have used so far is the St Petersburg one - the stations all have platform edge doors Not all, only 10 out of 67 stations on lines 2 and 3.
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Post by grahamhewett on Feb 13, 2017 16:11:55 GMT
Dmitri - thanks for that. I believe it was line 2 that I used. A propos Tallinn, whilst my team was there busy privatising Eesti Raudtee, we did give some thought, prompted by the government, to looking into the scope for at least an S-Bahn operation based on the suburban network of Elektri Raudtee. The services weren't very frequent -mostly hourly - and would have required considerable investment in additional stock and some interesting (and no doubt expensive) surface infrastructure to bring it closer to the city centre ( we looked at upgrading the access lines to the main port,which get quite close to the key area around Viru) but I think the cost was a major discouragement. PS Like the shot of the MTV-82!
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Post by 315 on Feb 15, 2017 5:47:46 GMT
No-one has mentioned Boston. Three metro style lines, which are really showing age. Also the strange Green Line, using trams with a strange underground section, street running, and some of the outer sections like a traditional railway. Of course! How could I forget the Boston T! Was over there in January and the Orange line has to be my favourite. Stock dating back to 1979 will little if any refurbishment!
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Post by egduf on Feb 16, 2017 12:41:08 GMT
Thinking back: Tyne & Wear Glasgow Paris Brussels Athens Prague Marseille Madrid Barcelona Lisbon Valencia Hamburg Berlin Copenhagen Naples Rome Sydney Melbourne Singapore Hong Kong
May have missed some from the 80s, which will pop up as soon as I post this!
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Post by superteacher on Feb 16, 2017 13:51:22 GMT
London Paris Berlin Copenhagen Bilbao
Going to Madrid next month.
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Post by ducatisti on Feb 17, 2017 9:45:26 GMT
Hmmm... OK London (Tube/DLR/Northern City as FGN) Brussels (pre-metro, metro and the bit of the main line between Gare du Nord and Midi) Antwerp (well, tram in a tunnel) Naples Moscow Newcastle Ipswich
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Post by Tom on Feb 17, 2017 22:50:05 GMT
Glasgow Stockholm Paris Rhein-Ruhr (does that count?) München Nürnburg Berlin Amsterdam Rotterdam Brussels Praha Stuttgart Wuppertal Wien Boston New York (inc. Staten Island Railway and PATH) Philadelphia
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Post by countryman on Feb 18, 2017 9:01:49 GMT
Does Wuppertal count?
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Post by uzairjubilee on Feb 18, 2017 10:27:58 GMT
London Madrid Paris Dubai Rome Barcelona
Definitely have catching up to do. I'm disappointed in myself.
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Post by superteacher on Feb 18, 2017 10:30:28 GMT
London Madrid Paris Dubai Rome Barcelona Definitely have catching up to do. I'm disappointed in myself. You're only young! When I was your age, I'd only managed London, and only then because I lived there!
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Post by brigham on Feb 18, 2017 10:41:34 GMT
London Paris Berlin Copenhagen Bilbao Going to Madrid next month. Bilbao? Did you include the Transporter Bridge?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Feb 18, 2017 10:42:12 GMT
London Newcastle UK Liverpool (if counts) Glasgow Dublin Paris Lillie Brussels Amsterdam Rotterdam Munich Barcelona Rome Bucharest Buffalo New York / Staten Island / PATH Boston Philadelphia Washington Miami Toronto Montreal Medellin Hong Kong Guangzhou Sydney
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Post by siriami on May 11, 2017 8:23:56 GMT
In the past few years I have visited Chicago, Berlin (fascinating system - a must-see at Wittenbergplatz station is the London Underground roundel sign, given to them by LT),Vienna, Frankfurt, Brussels and Paris. Hamburg is next in May. While you are in Hamburg, don't miss the largest model railway in the world in one of the old warehouses. You may need to book on-line. I'm told they have built a wall round the American section! Just back from Hamburg - they have a varied U and S Bahn system. No trams, unfortunately. One of the highlights for me was a visit to line U4, the newest on the system, which runs to the Hafencity quarter. A "must-see" is the station at Hafencity Universitat, which has an innovative lighting system. Every weekend and holiday, on the hour, there is a short light-show, where they synchronise the lights to classical music. It's fascinating. Also a trip on the Hochbahn elevated section between Landungsbrucken and Rodingsmarkt stations is mandatory. Just like the old Liverpool Overhead railway! Alistair Thanks for the tip about Miniatur Wunderland model rail exhibition. I had pre-booked that online before going, and was well impressed with the vast layout. Almost too much to take in on one visit!
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Post by pakenhamtrain on May 17, 2017 10:54:22 GMT
Melbourne, Sydney, Adelaide & Brisbane.
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Post by brigham on May 17, 2017 16:13:01 GMT
I appear to have seen nothing...
London Glasgow Subway Lancaster/Morecambe/Heysham Tyneside Manchester (trams) Blackpool/Fleetwood (trams) Lisbon (trams) Lille (trams) Tangier (camel)
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Post by zbang on May 17, 2017 16:51:46 GMT
Since everyone's playing (and using North American terms)- London (Underground & DLR) Boston (all lines, was the first 'subway' in the USA, predates New York) New York (subway) Washington DC (subway) Chicago (elevated/subway) San Francisco (subway & light rail) San Jose CA (light rail) Kansas City, MO (light rail) Portland OR (light rail) San Diego CA (light rail) New Orleans LA (streetcars & light rail)
I have not ridden a camel.
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Post by John Tuthill on May 17, 2017 18:36:17 GMT
Since everyone's playing (and using North American terms)- London (Underground & DLR) Boston (all lines, was the first 'subway' in the USA, predates New York) New York (subway) Washington DC (subway) Chicago (elevated/subway) San Francisco (subway & light rail) San Jose CA (light rail) Kansas City, MO (light rail) Portland OR (light rail) San Diego CA (light rail) New Orleans LA (streetcars & light rail) I have not ridden a camel. If you're in Cairo use their Metro system instead
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Post by rsdworker on May 17, 2017 20:06:55 GMT
Lancaster/Morecambe/Heysham - hmm i dont know if they have trams or metro because that one has no metro or trams there - i think you meant the mainline trains or Bus
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Post by norbitonflyer on May 17, 2017 21:14:43 GMT
Lancaster/Morecambe/Heysham - hmm i dont know if they have trams or metro No trams, but the old Midland Railway route was electrified in 1908 on 6.6kV ac (the same set-up as the contemporary LBSCR system). It was converted to 25kV in the 1950s as a test bed for the West Coast Main Line electrification, but the line was closed in 1965. (The separate LNWR line to Morecambe was the one that is still in use - it was selected presumably because it connected with the main line at Lancaster) It would be almost a decade before Lancaster saw electric trains again.
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