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Post by stapler on Feb 22, 2017 18:28:15 GMT
Apologies for the confusion. I don't find this forum the easiest to post images on, but maybe it's just me I cleared out the rest of the album on the link. Kingeswel, think it's an RT! But nevertheless, as you hint, a welcome sight on the streets of Loughton, even if the absence of trains was most unwelcome.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 19:26:07 GMT
Kingeswel, think it's an RT! Looks like I best stick to the trains then
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Post by countryman on Feb 23, 2017 9:52:50 GMT
Kingeswel, think it's an RT! Looks like I best stick to the trains then Yes it is an RT, RT3871.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Mar 25, 2017 14:00:51 GMT
It just keeps getting weirder. This week we learnt that having displaced drivers from Leytonstone and Hainault to Earl's Court four drivers will transfer from other lines (one of them from the Bakerloo) to Loughton next month .
You couldn't make it up......
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 19:04:00 GMT
It just keeps getting weirder. This week we learnt that having displaced drivers from Leytonstone and Hainault to Earl's Court next month four drivers will transfer from other lines (one of them from the Bakerloo) to Loughton. You couldn't make it up...... Beggars belief (actually it doesn't but you know what I mean). I was trying to explain to a friend the other day how bad management can be at LU at times (she had asked about the London Bridge 3). She could not quite grasp how bad some of the decisions can be and how over the years has led to serious trust issues within the organisation.
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Post by drainrat on Mar 29, 2017 18:52:29 GMT
Just read. It's a good stab at it, Love the way the writer talks of the Union as separate, a different entity from him/herself, the drivers who belong to ASLEF RMT are the union, they make it. Too many who don't take part then have a go at how proceedings take place 😡 Is auxsetreq Leytonstones very own aslefshrugged I wonder 🤔 No, I most certainly am not Auxsetreq. Its ok, I know you're not 😉
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Post by drainrat on Mar 29, 2017 19:03:06 GMT
It just keeps getting weirder. This week we learnt that having displaced drivers from Leytonstone and Hainault to Earl's Court next month four drivers will transfer from other lines (one of them from the Bakerloo) to Loughton. You couldn't make it up...... Beggars belief (actually it doesn't but you know what I mean). I was trying to explain to a friend the other day how bad management can be at LU at times (she had asked about the London Bridge 3). She could not quite grasp how bad some of the decisions can be and how over the years has led to serious trust issues within the organisation. A quick peruse of company house shows up some very interesting things on the consultancy side
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Post by safpatel on Mar 31, 2017 14:24:58 GMT
So does anybody know the latest in this dispute? I'm currently 4th on the waiting list to come to Leytonstone but not sure how long it'll take now. Are the unions still fighting the displacements?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2017 15:25:02 GMT
So does anybody know the latest in this dispute? I'm currently 4th on the waiting list to come to Leytonstone but not sure how long it'll take now. Are the unions still fighting the displacements? From what I hear, ASLEF are no longer pursuing but the RMT have called a meeting to discuss what to do next.
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Post by drainrat on Mar 31, 2017 20:42:19 GMT
So does anybody know the latest in this dispute? I'm currently 4th on the waiting list to come to Leytonstone but not sure how long it'll take now. Are the unions still fighting the displacements? From what I hear, ASLEF are no longer pursuing but the RMT have called a meeting to discuss what to do next. That is why the displaced ASLEF members joined the RMT. It appears the ASLEF functional reps felt the displacements were as a result of agreements made in 2009, the RMT still believe the moves are as a result of NT rostering, and the agreements made around it stated no detriment to existing T/Ops at the locations. The question was asked "would the drivers have been moved if Leytonstone wasn't a NT depot?" And apparently the answer was "No!" so it goes the agreement was broken at first hurdle yet management still adamant they're using the 2009 agreement for the moves, which is the basis of the continued dispute from the RMT. A case of agreements contradicting each other, the union trying to get some clarification while management muddy the water and refuse to get around the table.
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Post by drainrat on Mar 31, 2017 20:54:27 GMT
It's worth pointing out that management pulled the same tricks in 2008 when the East London line drivers were displaced to Leytonstone. They place too good to be true agreements on the table that the unions agree to at the first chance, thinking that management will keep to them, then at first chance management break the agreement. In the case of the East London drivers at Leytonstone, they wanted to displace them to Brixton for the opening of the new depot on the Vic line. When the unions disputed it, management just threatened to move 49 rostered drivers from Leytonstone just so they could break the agreement, when we looked over the seniority of the drivers proposed to be moved, the most senior driver had been at Leytonstone since 1984! Unfortunately, to management, the agreement had been made to be broken, the manager who put the agreement on the table was due to retire so not available to take responsibility. They knew it wasn't sustainable but they had to have a seamless displacement so promised the Earth, then taketh away 😞
"Why do the unions agree to these things?" You may ask, well a union is its membership, even though the membership often forgets this. A union makes its decisions based on consulting with its members at branch or within the workplace, if a member has an issue or proposal, they can attend a branch meeting (or by proxy) and table a motion for discussion which will then be voted on and written into branch business. Any policy taken up is come to by the mix of the members who turn up and have their say, if the majority who turn up are of a militant tendency, then the outcome will usually be a militant approach, same for a moderate majority leading to a moderate outcome. When management table a proposed agreement, the union reps then bring it to the branch meetings and also make members aware by letters to homes of members and workplace newsletters, members then see a highly agreeable proposal and a vote to acceptance is usually come to, so the reps take a mandated agreement to management and accept the proposal. Believe it or not, most staff do believe that the management are benevolent and would never break an agreement, but time and again we end up in this predicament. The irony is, that in a time where people bang on about democracy and democratic process, one of the true democratic processes of policy is lambasted by both the media and public alike. My opinion based on observation is that people really don't want to see real democracy in action 🤔
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