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Post by spsmiler on May 30, 2017 19:59:23 GMT
So the introduction of these trains has been delayed. But is it because this is a brand new design of train (so is being tested more thoroughly) or because this specific fleet of trains will be more complex than usual, as it is designed for three different signalling systems plus for stations with and without platform screen doors???
If the former then does it mean that these trains are also smoothing the path for the Class 710 variants?
Simon
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Post by domh245 on May 30, 2017 20:28:53 GMT
So the introduction of these trains has been delayed. But is it because this is a brand new design of train (so is being tested more thoroughly) or because this specific fleet of trains will be more complex than usual, as it is designed for three different signalling systems plus for stations with and without platform screen doors??? If the former then does it mean that these trains are also smoothing the path for the Class 710 variants? Simon No doubt a bit of both, although they can't really test two of the signalling systems at the moment, but the fact that the necessary equipment and software will be in situ for them no doubt makes things more difficult. And whilst you may like to think that the legwork done in introducing this fleet would help with the 710s (as well as the Aventra units for the Greater Anglia franchise) - I'd point out the new SWT class 707 fleet which are more or less clones of the new Thameslink 700s, and are still waiting to be introduced into service after several months of testing (longer than the crossrail units I think) |
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Post by crusty54 on May 31, 2017 15:28:59 GMT
No confirmed date even in June.
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Post by silenthunter on Jun 2, 2017 20:55:51 GMT
So the introduction of these trains has been delayed. But is it because this is a brand new design of train (so is being tested more thoroughly) or because this specific fleet of trains will be more complex than usual, as it is designed for three different signalling systems plus for stations with and without platform screen doors??? If the former then does it mean that these trains are also smoothing the path for the Class 710 variants? Simon No doubt a bit of both, although they can't really test two of the signalling systems at the moment, but the fact that the necessary equipment and software will be in situ for them no doubt makes things more difficult. And whilst you may like to think that the legwork done in introducing this fleet would help with the 710s (as well as the Aventra units for the Greater Anglia franchise) - I'd point out the new SWT class 707 fleet which are more or less clones of the new Thameslink 700s, and are still waiting to be introduced into service after several months of testing (longer than the crossrail units I think) 707s will be shorter - they're five car units and 101.5 metres long. Two together is still shorter than the 205 metres full-length Class 345. |
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Post by domh245 on Jun 2, 2017 22:34:33 GMT
No doubt a bit of both, although they can't really test two of the signalling systems at the moment, but the fact that the necessary equipment and software will be in situ for them no doubt makes things more difficult. And whilst you may like to think that the legwork done in introducing this fleet would help with the 710s (as well as the Aventra units for the Greater Anglia franchise) - I'd point out the new SWT class 707 fleet which are more or less clones of the new Thameslink 700s, and are still waiting to be introduced into service after several months of testing (longer than the crossrail units I think) 707s will be shorter - they're five car units and 101.5 metres long. Two together is still shorter than the 205 metres full-length Class 345. Poorly worded on my behalf it seems! I was not referring to the physical length of the trains but to the length of testing that each class has undergone. The first recorded existence of a whole class 707 unit was March 2016, with testing "well underway" by late August and first delivery just before Christmas. Conversely, the first class 345 was revealed at the end of July 2016, moved to the Old Dalby test track on the 19th of August, and had been captured out on test by the 1st of September, with the first unit arriving at Ilford in early December. The fact that the two classes are going to be entering service simultaneously at this rate reflects well on Bombardier and less well on Siemens for whom it should have been a fairly simple job - the 707 being a shortened clone of the 700, as noted initially. I would try and find data on the class 700s to compare them to the class 345s, but I should be off to bed! |
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Post by silenthunter on Jun 8, 2017 19:57:45 GMT
'Copped' my first 345 in the field today at Harold Wood; 345 007 came in, stopped as it would on a passenger service, then departed.
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Post by superteacher on Jun 19, 2017 19:16:18 GMT
No more news yet?
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Post by uzairjubilee on Jun 19, 2017 19:25:53 GMT
None. People on the RailUK forum are almost arguing about it. I personally doubt it will run this month. |
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Post by superteacher on Jun 19, 2017 19:39:51 GMT
What is the problem? The unita are out most days, just not in service.
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Post by spsmiler on Jun 19, 2017 20:24:42 GMT
I wonder if it will carry its first passengers quietly... without fanfare or pre-announcement.
Does anyone know, will even one Class 345 car (carriage) be at the Rail Live event at Long Marston later this week?
Simon
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Post by silenthunter on Jun 19, 2017 20:55:57 GMT
What is the problem? The unita are out most days, just not in service. We want to ride them! |
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Post by uzairjubilee on Jun 19, 2017 20:57:24 GMT
What is the problem? The unita are out most days, just not in service. Happy to be corrected if I am wrong, but recent overhead line issues on the GEML have been a contributing factor. |
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Jun 19, 2017 21:00:13 GMT
Patience, grasshoppers.....when they're ready they're ready, it's no big deal. In the meantime, catch the old trains provided to maintain the service and satisfy your ticket to where you want to go.  |
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Post by Chris M on Jun 19, 2017 21:35:41 GMT
And remember that before too long you'll be chasing the old units to get final rides in before they're all gone.
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Post by superteacher on Jun 19, 2017 21:52:13 GMT
Patience, grasshoppers.....when they're ready they're ready, it's no big deal. In the meantime, catch the old trains provided to maintain the service and satisfy your ticket to where you want to go. And die of heat exhaustion in the process . . ..  |
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Post by spsmiler on Jun 19, 2017 22:26:03 GMT
And die of heat exhaustion in the process . . .. lets all enjoy this last hurrah... there is a mini ice age coming.  Simon |
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Post by rincew1nd on Jun 20, 2017 4:26:10 GMT
And die of heat exhaustion in the process . . .. lets all enjoy this last hurrah... there is a mini ice age coming.  |
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Post by Rich32 on Jun 20, 2017 14:59:21 GMT
I'll miss the 315's as I have a soft spot for the PEP's, but on a day like today aircon wins hands down over anything else!
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Post by rincew1nd on Jun 20, 2017 15:01:33 GMT
I'll miss the 315's as I have a soft spot for the PEP's, but on a day like today aircon wins hands down over anything else! I suspect there are many people out there thinking the same about the A,C and D stock today! |
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Post by silenthunter on Jun 20, 2017 15:46:51 GMT
I'll miss the 315's as I have a soft spot for the PEP's, but on a day like today aircon wins hands down over anything else! Yes, exactly. It could be worse - this could be the summer of 1976 and you're riding on 306s with no inter-carriage gangways! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2017 20:24:50 GMT
Reminds me of the recently withdrawn D stock on the District Line, people wanted to catch the last of the D Stock before they vanished for good.
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Post by North End on Jun 20, 2017 20:37:07 GMT
I'll miss the 315's as I have a soft spot for the PEP's, but on a day like today aircon wins hands down over anything else! I suspect there are many people out there thinking the same about the A,C and D stock today! There are plenty of people on hundreds of mainline trains today with weak or non-functioning air conditioning wishing there were windows to open. Let's hope the S stock doesn't go the same way over time. |
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Post by stapler on Jun 21, 2017 7:21:58 GMT
The 305s were OK in the summer - proper wide opening windows in the doors. The 306s, as I remember had quite large sliding quarterlights (actually more like third-lights). I was never too hot in either of them. The real killers were the D stock when first introduced and before the "breath of Fresh Air" modification. Terrible bit of design.
I was horrified yesterday to make my journey in a 12-car formation of 321s on a Braintree service, the last non-a/c stuff running. I wasn't too bad as I was able to get a seat on the side away from the sun!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2017 19:47:01 GMT
Some TFL mistakes happen several times - the Boris Bus Roastmaster bus had to have opening windows retro-fitted to the entire fleet, once the initial trials on three buses proved successful. I am surprised that they failed to learn from the D-Stock issue from three decades earlier!
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Post by John Tuthill on Jun 21, 2017 20:29:51 GMT
Some TFL mistakes happen several times - the Boris Bus Roastmaster bus had to have opening windows retro-fitted to the entire fleet, once the initial trials on three buses proved successful. I am surprised that they failed to learn from the D-Stock issue from three decades earlier! Obviously these 'people' have never hear of George Santayana  |
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Post by stapler on Jun 21, 2017 20:58:19 GMT
Can spsmiler please tell us when the mini-ice-age will start? I could have done with it today at 95F
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Post by domh245 on Jun 21, 2017 21:10:33 GMT
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Post by danwoodhouse on Jun 22, 2017 7:50:46 GMT
Says "Class 315" in the Operational Information |
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Post by domh245 on Jun 22, 2017 8:16:17 GMT
Says "Class 315" in the Operational Information That is just what the timings are calculated on, it isn't what the train is actually formed of. All of the prior test trains have also been run as that. Sources are saying that it is unit 005, and that the "please do not board stickers" have been removed. Should be leaving Ilford for Gidea Park in about 5 minutes time |
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Post by Chris W on Jun 22, 2017 10:33:37 GMT
And so the 345 finally comes out to play....
Yes it was the 10:35 from Liv St. to Shenfield return... although there was a strict press embargo, preventing any prior announcement.
The first in service unit 345 005 had the press and TfL managers on board in the front car...
My photos will be uploaded this evening, but there will be lots of coverage during the day, including the One Show, Londonist etc. etc.
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