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Post by danwoodhouse on May 21, 2017 10:01:10 GMT
so is the first day for the 345s tomorrow or Tuesday?
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Post by Dom K on May 21, 2017 10:05:15 GMT
so is the first day for the 345s tomorrow or what?..........
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Post by domh245 on May 21, 2017 10:20:23 GMT
I think that there is supposed to be the first train (for dignitaries) on the 24th, but that same train should then do some passenger runs later in the day. May not actually happen as there hasn't been much news about it and there have supposedly been teething problems discovered in testing.
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Post by crusty54 on May 21, 2017 11:06:00 GMT
The good news is that there are additional peak hour trains from tomorrow.
The only promise is that. 345 will run in the off peak in late May.
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Post by spsmiler on May 21, 2017 23:45:26 GMT
Assuming the line speed is sufficient, 90 might be possible out towards Reading - particularly if there is any skip-stopping. I agree, and with others who have pointed out that to the east of London the stations are mostly too close for that speed to be reached. However...... Liverpool Street - Stratford is far enough apart, but I am unsure if the line speed is high enough. Chadwall Heath - Romford is far enough apart for higher speed but here too I do not know the line speed. There was supposed to be an intermediate station but it never happened. Beyond Romford my route knowledge is too limited to make a comment. As an aside, on the Shenfield route the 345's will regularly use the 'fast' lines when planned engineering closes the electric lines. This is usually at weekends only. Simon |
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Post by spsmiler on May 22, 2017 0:02:20 GMT
I think that there is supposed to be the first train (for dignitaries) on the 24th, but that same train should then do some passenger runs later in the day. May not actually happen as there hasn't been much news about it and there have supposedly been teething problems discovered in testing. I thought that this will be on the 23rd and the train will also be for media bods. I intend to be at Ilford station at about the time I understand it will be passing through... I'll be on the platform in the hope that it stops to pick up passengers. As an aside, 'somewhere else' I saw a time for a staff training run out of Liverpool Street and last Friday I went to a road bridge in anticipation of seeing this journey passing by. Alas, it did not happen - otherwise everyone here would have known by now as I would have been sharing a link to the YouTube film. However my journey was not wasted, as I saw quite a few other trains and the footage will be useful when the new InterCity etc trains are introduced in a few years from now. Simon |
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Post by domh245 on May 22, 2017 6:32:24 GMT
I think that there is supposed to be the first train (for dignitaries) on the 24th, but that same train should then do some passenger runs later in the day. May not actually happen as there hasn't been much news about it and there have supposedly been teething problems discovered in testing. I thought that this will be on the 23rd and the train will also be for media bods. I intend to be at Ilford station at about the time I understand it will be passing through... I'll be on the platform in the hope that it stops to pick up passengers. As an aside, 'somewhere else' I saw a time for a staff training run out of Liverpool Street and last Friday I went to a road bridge in anticipation of seeing this journey passing by. Alas, it did not happen - otherwise everyone here would have known by now as I would have been sharing a link to the YouTube film. However my journey was not wasted, as I saw quite a few other trains and the footage will be useful when the new InterCity etc trains are introduced in a few years from now. Simon It is possible - there have been a number of possible start dates floating around, so I suppose you just have to keep your eye out for information at short notice. |
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Post by occasionaltraveller on May 22, 2017 13:33:44 GMT
Assuming the line speed is sufficient, 90 might be possible out towards Reading - particularly if there is any skip-stopping. According to Network Rail's Sectional Appendix, the line speed reaches 90 on the Down Relief just west of Hanwell. It drops a few times through some of the stations but goes back up to 90 shortly after clearing the station. The longest section with no intermediate stations is Maidenhead to Twyford (6 miles 62 chains), which Crossrail's website gives as 6 minutes, which I make an average of 67.75 mph. Twyford to Reading is given as 5 minutes for 4 miles 79 chains. We don't yet know the stopping pattern to know if they might non-stop Maidenhead to Slough or Slough to Paddington - for minor stations like Hanwell it just says 'up to 4 trains per hour'. |
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Post by crusty54 on May 22, 2017 18:57:27 GMT
All four lines are being upgraded at the moment. Hopefully this will reduce the number of weekend closures in future.
I think the acceleration of the new trains will be the key factor. Having seen the test trains pull away from a standstill several times it is rapid.
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Post by stapler on May 22, 2017 21:04:50 GMT
And also Romford-Chadwell Heath
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Post by crusty54 on May 23, 2017 15:02:22 GMT
The bush telegraph tells me that the first train in public service will not be this week.
Hoping for next week.
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Post by vinnielo on May 23, 2017 16:17:12 GMT
That's what I'd heard as well. Shame, as I'll be away next week!
In the meantime, here's a video from today of 345006 at Liverpool Street.
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Post by spsmiler on May 23, 2017 18:58:01 GMT
Just for the record, I did go today and not even the media event train ran. However there was much disruption caused by a train that broke down in the Harold Wood area.
The 345 seen in the film above ran at a time that was different to the times expected according to the 'real time trains' website. Apparently some footage was urgently needed for the last episode of a TV program about Crossrail and since the media run did not occur so this train substituted. Ah what a shame... here was I in my best bib and tucker in case I ended up being filmed for the telly - and the cameraman went somewhere else.
Simon
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on May 23, 2017 19:15:00 GMT
They make the old trains look like a bag of bolts don't they? It's also obvious why the need for yellow fronts has disappeared what with the strength of those headlights.
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Post by stapler on May 23, 2017 20:58:35 GMT
There was total chaos on TFL rail this morning, with trains at virtually every signal between Romford and the M25. It would not have been a good day for a media launch - quite apart form the Manchester atrocity.
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Post by superteacher on May 29, 2017 8:18:39 GMT
Any update on the class 345's first day in service?
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Post by crusty54 on May 29, 2017 8:39:42 GMT
Any update on the class 345's first day in service? Can't be today as there are engineering works. This leaves only 2 days if the late May deadline is to be met. There were problems last week and better to get them sorted rather than risk a service failure just to meet a date. |
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Post by superteacher on May 29, 2017 9:33:26 GMT
Hopefully tomorrow then.
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Post by crusty54 on May 29, 2017 9:44:53 GMT
Depends when Mayor Khan can make it. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 9:49:12 GMT
It might have been an missed opportunity to bring the first ever passenger service in on a Saturday or Sunday or Bank Holiday, as these are Off Peak Periods, when the lines are at their least busiest compared to normal working days. Anyway the subsequent trains could be launched at Weekends thereafter, along with the first ever passenger runs via the central operating section tunnels being on a Weekend too.
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Post by crusty54 on May 29, 2017 10:57:26 GMT
It might have been an missed opportunity to bring the first ever passenger service in on a Saturday or Sunday or Bank Holiday, as these are Off Peak Periods, when the lines are at their least busiest compared to normal working days. Anyway the subsequent trains could be launched at Weekends thereafter, along with the first ever passenger runs via the central operating section tunnels being on a Weekend too. Not if you want pictures in the papers and on local TV Line shut for most weekends too. |
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Post by phoenixcronin on May 29, 2017 11:55:05 GMT
Just saw a guy from Bombardier on the BBC's "The Fifteen Billion Pound Railway" refer to these trains as "the largest length trains you'll probably see on London Underground for a long while..."  edit: he also later refers to them as a "tube" |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 12:46:19 GMT
Lol, what an idiot. Another person who has already become confused with the terminology X-D
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 13:21:37 GMT
"the longest length trains you'll probably see on TFL rail services for a long while..." should sound better.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 15:12:15 GMT
"the longest length trains you'll probably see on TFL rail services for a long while..." should sound better. "the longest length trains you'll probably see on any TfL train service for a long while..." would be much better and avoid confusion with the current TfL Rail temporary service. |
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Post by silenthunter on May 29, 2017 15:37:40 GMT
TfL Rail is a bit of a silly name, considering TfL cover an awful lot of rail already...
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Post by superteacher on May 30, 2017 8:56:39 GMT
Just seen a 345 at Seven Kings heading east. No idea whether it was in service.
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Post by uzairjubilee on May 30, 2017 9:04:44 GMT
Today's run has been cancelled.
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Post by snoggle on May 30, 2017 16:34:20 GMT
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Post by peterc on May 30, 2017 18:10:01 GMT
Just saw a guy from Bombardier on the BBC's "The Fifteen Billion Pound Railway" refer to these trains as "the largest length trains you'll probably see on London Underground for a long while..." edit: he also later refers to them as a "tube" I suppose that with a line name and, presumably, to appear on the Underground map that is how the public in the London area will regard them. He was, after all, speaking on a programme for viewing by everybody, not just railfans and railway professionals. |
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