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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2016 11:06:55 GMT
Hello My name is Pete and I'm looking for some help. I hope I have come to the right place. A few weeks ago I completed the purchase of a house. The house has a large garden and tucked away in a far corner is a former London Underground ticket office or Passimeter (I think). I understand it was craned into position several years ago by a former owner who must have loved it. Unfortunately, now it is in a very sorry state as you can see from these photos. What the photos can’t show is the amount of rot and vegetation growing on and through it. I have thrown a tarpaulin over it and cut back some of the vegetation. The problem is I don’t have the knowledge, skill or time to restore it. I’m hoping to discover if it’s worth saving and if it is if there anyone who can help and advise me. Thanks in anticipation..... Pete Link: imgur.com |
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Post by rheostar on Jul 13, 2016 11:12:01 GMT
Unfortunately, the pictures don't seem to be showing.
It might be an idea to contact the London Transport Museum for advice.
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Post by stapler on Jul 13, 2016 11:13:32 GMT
Yes, my security settings disable the pics unfortunately.
Where is the item located and what's it made of?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2016 11:16:58 GMT
Sorry I'm trying to fix the links. It's in Somerset.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2016 11:45:46 GMT
Hopefully you can see the photos now.
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Jul 13, 2016 12:09:48 GMT
Hopefully you can see the photos now. P Hi Pete, I've altered the URL to a proper hyperlink you can click in your initial post. It works fine now in the three PC browsers I've tried and Safari on iPad. Or, if you wish, I can reproduce all ten images directly onto this thread for you. Let me know if this is OK. Rich' |
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Post by Jerome H on Jul 13, 2016 14:08:21 GMT
I agree with contacting the London Transport Musuem. There's a thread on here titled "Questions for the LTM" which is visited by s member who works for them. At the very least, I'm sure the glass with text is salvageable and would look nice reframed
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Post by superteacher on Jul 13, 2016 21:03:37 GMT
Would be great to see it restored. Maybe our resident LTM member could advise?
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Post by revupminster on Jul 13, 2016 21:25:28 GMT
The ticket rack is upside down. Space is for a rapid printer but I wonder if one was fitted there. It looks like a passimeter similar to the ones at Earl's Court exhibition subway office where portable ultimatics ticket machines were used.
Seasons and enquiries window would rule out the exhibition offices as seasons were not sold there.
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Post by rincew1nd on Jul 13, 2016 21:31:05 GMT
Oh my goodness, what an amazing thing to have in the garden! I trust that's not the only reason you bought the house‽ As revupminster says, the ticket rack (which would have held Edmondson cards) is upside down. Definitely something number35 and the museum may be interested in. |
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Post by theblackferret on Jul 13, 2016 21:48:57 GMT
The ticket rack is upside down. Space is for a rapid printer but I wonder if one was fitted there. It looks like a passimeter similar to the ones at Earl's Court exhibition subway office where portable ultimatics ticket machines were used. Seasons and enquiries window would rule out the exhibition offices as seasons were not sold there. When do you reckon it was built? The carpentry, glazing, door handle & hinge all look early 1960's to me, judged on the plant stores at the plant hire firm where my Dad worked & also the office at the same place where my Mum worked. Not sure, but the signwriting font also looks very similar to those on doors in her offices. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2016 15:20:28 GMT
Thanks for the interest. I have just come from looking at again to try improve the temporary tarpaulin. The roof has had it. It looks as if an extra roof had been put over the top at one point but that and the original roof are in a terrible state. I think it's lost cause. It would be really cool to restore it but it's beyond me I feel.
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No Rincew1nd, it became mine by accident I didn't buy the house because of it.
Pete
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Post by Chris M on Jul 17, 2016 23:53:39 GMT
The simplest short term measure would be to build a waterproof shed around it to stop further deterioration. A large pre-fabricated one from a DIY store would do the trick if the dimensions are sufficient.
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Post by revupminster on Jul 18, 2016 6:26:27 GMT
This passimeter could easily date from the 30's or 40's modernisations programs. There were far more passimeters than wall offices on the underground. Booking clerks (non-uniform in those days) were always carrying money about between ticket machines and passimeters and mess rooms where the safes were. Even BR had passimeters between Upney and Upminster Bridge.
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Post by theblackferret on Jul 18, 2016 9:19:10 GMT
This passimeter could easily date from the 30's or 40's modernisations programs. There were far more passimeters than wall offices on the underground. Booking clerks (non-uniform in those days) were always carrying money about between ticket machines and passimeters and mess rooms where the safes were. Even BR had passimeters between Upney and Upminster Bridge. So, could it also have been updated/modernised from an initial installation, do you think? I'm just wondering about the 'tickets must be shown', as opposed to shewn, which usage I've seen an awful lot in pre-WWII timetables, handbills, etc.-by no means purely LT, but I've never seen the latter usage on anything post-WWII. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 14:47:58 GMT
I think it's a wonderful piece, the glazing, light fittings and metalwork are surely enough to render it worth saving, there's definitely something to work with there, though it may be a hell of a lot of work. There is a group currently restoring an old engineering loco and signal cabin at Epping, perhaps someone there might be interested in helping you out with this too, I'll pass the link for this to them if you don't mind.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 19:26:42 GMT
I think it's a wonderful piece, the glazing, light fittings and metalwork are surely enough to render it worth saving, there's definitely something to work with there, though it may be a hell of a lot of work. There is a group currently restoring an old engineering loco and signal cabin at Epping, perhaps someone there might be interested in helping you out with this too, I'll pass the link for this to them if you don't mind. Thanks, I agree with your thoughts on the lights and stuff.
Please - passing on the info to anyone who might have an interest is exactly what this post is about.
Pete
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Post by rincew1nd on Jul 18, 2016 19:51:41 GMT
For those pondering saving it, what's the 'footprint' and (roughly) where is it currently located?
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Post by Ben on Jul 18, 2016 21:27:17 GMT
There appears a lot of wood internally, but is it wood framed or metal framed?
Excellent discovery, no doubt it will be of interest to someone to save in entirety.
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Post by manorborn on Jul 22, 2016 10:42:46 GMT
What a brilliant thing to have at the back of the garden. All you need now is a blackboard chalked up with "We regret extensive delays due to leaf fall" and the authenticity is complete.
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Post by frankpick on Jul 29, 2016 21:53:46 GMT
Just a thought but the moment I saw it I was reminded of the old ticket box in the middle of the concourse at Hounslow West. Always seemed to be closed apart from Monday mornings. Just a thought.
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Post by theblackferret on Jul 29, 2016 22:10:01 GMT
Just a thought but the moment I saw it I was reminded of the old ticket box in the middle of the concourse at Hounslow West. Always seemed to be closed apart from Monday mornings. Just a thought. Blimey-you might be onto something here. I last used Hounslow West regularly ie once or twice a month on Saturdays visiting a favourite aunt around 1976/7 & I've got a vague memory of something similar, too. Is that the sort of date you recall it from-I kept going there less regularly until about 1986? |
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Post by stapler on Jul 30, 2016 10:41:46 GMT
They were quite common throughout the system. But they were not used as true passimeters
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 14:47:05 GMT
Just a quick update a also "goodbye".
The Passimeter came from Redbridge apparently. I spoke to the guy who had it moved here.
No one has shown much interest in it so I'll do what I can but I won't worry about it too much.
Thanks to those who tried to get some interest. Not to be it seems?
All the best
Pete
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Post by patrickb on Oct 12, 2016 17:04:46 GMT
Hi Pete
For how long would you be considering to hold on to the Passimeter?
Patrick
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Post by rincew1nd on Oct 12, 2016 17:41:20 GMT
For those pondering saving it, what's the 'footprint' and (roughly) where is it currently located? The answer to this might affect if people are interested, it depends if it fits in their/my garden. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 19:38:23 GMT
It is likely to have had a 'second' roof to have been outside as originally, and the ones I've worked on, the roof structure was very lightweight as they were always inside. They also, usually, had a form of sliding sunroof/ hatch for ventilation and that certainly wouldn't have been watertight. It does look very damaged - although in conservation terms anything is possible it is a cost issue, specialist carpentry required to conserve what can be saved and new works spliced in, along with retention of furniture, glass, etc. As to origin, I'll ask around and see if any ex-UTS people recall any 'disposals'. But yes, see what LTM suggest and good luck.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 19:40:06 GMT
And origin supplied! Redbridge, now listed - and you can still see on the floor tiles where it sat!
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Post by stapler on Oct 13, 2016 7:17:53 GMT
Couldn't Redbridge Museum be interested in it? The EF museum at Waltham Abbey had a whole booking office at one time, but I never knew if it was original or facsimile!
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