Naming of Crossrail 1

The Elizabeth Line is five syllables, six with the "The", Crossrail only 2............

No mention then of MTR Crossrail who will operate it, I guess that just would've added too much confusion! Haha!

This reminds me of a little school help sheet!

In response to the video, I quite agree with him, with most of it, apart from the syllables bit (for reasons that have already been mentioned) and the what he thinks it should be called. I think in the roundel, it should show Crossrail, then call the lines individual lines similar to the tube. For example, Crossrail 1 be called Elizabeth Line and Crossrail 2 be called Chelney Line (that's what I would call it). To show differeniations, a line colour could be sandwiched between the two lines on the tube map for Crossrail. Similar things could be done for the London Overground.

Elizabeth Rail is only slightly less OTT in my opinion.

I agree, I don't have a problem with the actual Elizabeth name, rather the fact that the removal of Crossrail branding has now resulted in a quasi-underground line which isn't really an underground line. This could be solved IMHO by just keeping the Crossrail bit in front of Elizabeth Line

A quasi-underground line which isn't really an underground line? It's further underground than any of them, isn't it?

Maybe it's because I'm a Northerner, but that sounds completely ridiculous to me.

No more ridiculous than such misnomers in the north of England: for example none of the coastal stations at Cleethorpes, Filey, Whitby, Hartlepool etc are served by East Coast. Direct services across the Pennines from most of Lancashire (other than Manchester) are provided by Northern trains rather than Transpennine. And of course "Great Northern" services get no further north than The Wash.

Not at all - parts of it are undoubtedly under ground - as are the Northern City Line, the Thameslink core, the East London Line, the Park Hill tunnels on Tramlink, and HS1. But they are not part of the Underground (capital "U") - that is the lines run by London Underground Limited (also known inaccurately as the "Tube") - and nor will Crossrail be.

In the same way, as I pointed out, there are train services across the Pennines operated by TOCs other than TransPennine, and some services operated by TransPennine do not actually cross the Pennines. Do people get confused by that?

Just as RER Line A was not just another metro line, it would be underselling what Crossrail is about to think of it as just another Underground line. It, and to a lesser extent Thameslink 2000-and-counting, will transform transport in London for more radically than the two Tube lines to have been built in the last half-century did.

So I was trying to explain this debate to my Grandma and she couldn't quite understand all the fuss. For all of us on this forum, it's easy for us to see how this is all different, but for a London commuter, or a visitor to London, will the branding make a difference? Sure you can argue that the expectations will be what they are famialr with, which may cause people to be let down. Because we are so much more aware of the differences that most people won't notice, even something like the color of the trains, we want everything to be spelled out. I'm not happy with it not being a part of a different system, but it won't change a whole lot of it does.

As an anecdote, I rode London Overground for the first time this year. After riding the Tube Lines, I expected the trains to match the frequency, but was surprised to wait 15 minutes for a train. After one instance I know what I need to in order to make a difference and to plan around using those trains. Even if you call it a different service and all that, passengers won't make a connection on the important differences until they attempt to use the service. The passengers from Maidenhead, Slough, and Romford will know what they need to use the service and won't really be bothered by pedantics, especially since their trains have been recolored and rebranded every couple of years on the Anglia routes

No doubt, the debate will never satisfy everyone but what often seems to be overlooked is the viewpoint of the punter, who TBH couldn't care less about the operator, whether the line is franchised, or the infrastructure is owned by NR or not. What they want to know is the commercial and quality offer. "Underground" as a brand does that - as we have seen with the cry for LO to "extend the Underground into SE London". I see no harm in treating the CrossRail lines as extensions of the Underground network - as has already been pointed out, several Underground lines have CrossRail functional characteristics - although it would be even better if the network of everyone's lines (including all the suburban lines, whether controlled by TfL or not) were subject to a rigorous allocation of names indicating function. That would draw TLK - is it a metro, is it a CrossRail, is it a bird (oh no, that's something else) into the programme neatly; as matters stand, we shall have the worst of all worlds - names (and branding) for the tube and CrossRail lines, which have different but overlapping functions, merely a network name and branding for LO, which is hardly a network at all, and TLK sitting in a corner all on its own.

hardly matters as it will disappear fairly soon.

Wish they understood that the Crossrail name should remain with Elizabeth line on internal signage and maps.

We travel on the Northern Line now rather than the City & South London Railway.

That said, I have described my various travels this week as being on the Midland Railway at times.

I refer to the Finsbury Park-Moorgate line as the Northern City Line and the c2c route of Fenchurch Street LTS when discussing it historically i.e. BR days and earlier.

I also call the Overground to Watford Junction the Watford DC line.

Will it be any more qiasi-underground than the Metropolitan Line? The latter doesn't go as deep as the Elizabeth line will, it has fast semi-fast and slow trains and until 1961 terminated at Aylesbury which is furher from Central London than Reading.personally, I find the recent proliferation in the variety of roundels unseemly.  r

At both Harrow & Wealdstone and Harrow-on-the-Hill, the self-service ticket machines give national railcard discounts (including Network Railcard) -.but, at HOTH, it's cheaper to use Oyster to Amersham and book there.