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Post by norbitonflyer on Apr 19, 2018 6:36:31 GMT
Things are changing though - I doubt anyone will be building any more trolleybus networks now that practical self-contained electric road vehicles, in particular buses are available with sufficient battery range for normal daily use. Battery technology is not yet that far advanced, which is explains why diesel hybrid buses exist and 'in motion charging' of battery equipped trolleybuses is becoming ever more popular (hopefully coming to London too). Battery technology has advanced far enough for several London bus routes to be battery powered (not hybrid). At least one route also runs hydrogen fuel-cell powered buses. In motion charging of trolleybuses could be a useful way of extending existing trolleybus networks, but I can't see it coming to London - London has not had any trolleybus infrastructure for over fifty years. |
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Post by superteacher on Apr 22, 2018 16:39:09 GMT
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Post by snoggle on May 19, 2018 12:48:30 GMT
A recent update from the Barking Gospel Oak user group. Disappointing to say the least. (see also Rolling Stock folder and related class 710 thread)
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Post by londoner on Jun 2, 2018 10:30:29 GMT
http://questions.london.gov.uk/QuestionSearch/searchclient/questions/question_298850
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Post by A60stock on Jun 2, 2018 11:15:09 GMT
why are they not running two 172s joined together at the moment?
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Post by Dom K on Jun 2, 2018 11:29:55 GMT
why are they not running two 172s joined together at the moment? The answer is fairly obvious they only have enough trains to run the current headway. Putting 2 together would halve the available trains and then halve the frequency |
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Post by silenthunter on Jun 2, 2018 12:00:37 GMT
Yes, there's only eight 172s assigned to LO.
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Post by snoggle on Jun 2, 2018 16:18:01 GMT
http://questions.london.gov.uk/QuestionSearch/searchclient/questions/question_298850And yet recent comments elsewhere indicate that September is the likely earliest date but October is far more likely. The Mayor can ask TfL all he likes but if the trains have not received type approval and have no mileage accumulation and no drivers are trained on them then they're on a hiding to nothing. |
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Post by waysider on Jun 6, 2018 23:38:12 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2018 18:06:53 GMT
So the GOBLIN will soon be electrified? I wonder if they may even have a few through services/non-traditionally routed trains, if they start using 387s there!
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Post by Chris M on Jun 7, 2018 18:47:30 GMT
The constraints to running other routes is not electrification, but paths and a lack of platforms on the through route at Gospel Oak.
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Post by rincew1nd on Jun 7, 2018 20:23:56 GMT
So the GOBLIN will soon be electrified? Yes. The problem is that different people/organisations have differing definitions of "soon". |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jun 7, 2018 20:35:44 GMT
, if they start using 387s there! Class 710s will be used on the Goblin. Class 378s are too long for many of the platforms. TfL has no class 387s. |
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Post by silenthunter on Jun 9, 2018 21:48:06 GMT
So the GOBLIN will soon be electrified? I wonder if they may even have a few through services/non-traditionally routed trains, if they start using 387s there! It already is. The wires are live. They're just not running electric passenger trains on it.
(Don't know about freight)
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Post by jukes on Jun 10, 2018 11:50:54 GMT
So the GOBLIN will soon be electrified? I wonder if they may even have a few through services/non-traditionally routed trains, if they start using 387s there! It already is. The wires are live. They're just not running electric passenger trains on it.
(Don't know about freight)
Yes wires are live but I'm not sure ORR have issued final clearance certificate yet. Last thing I heard was end of June or start of July. |
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Post by snoggle on Jun 11, 2018 16:16:19 GMT
It already is. The wires are live. They're just not running electric passenger trains on it. (Don't know about freight)
Yes wires are live but I'm not sure ORR have issued final clearance certificate yet. Last thing I heard was end of June or start of July. Good grief - that's months later than was assumed. What on earth has been going on? Have NR actually finished all the work and cleared all snags? Just as well the trains are hopelessly late or else this whole thing would have been even more embarrassing than it already is. |
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Post by A60stock on Jun 11, 2018 17:08:20 GMT
, if they start using 387s there! Class 710s will be used on the Goblin. Class 378s are too long for many of the platforms. TfL has no class 387s. is there a massive length difference between the two classes? (710/378) Also i thought the reason for not using 378s was that they are now an obsolete design, electrostar out, aventra in. If the reason is length then surely theses trains are going to be shorter than the trains they replace, e.g. class 315? |
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Post by domh245 on Jun 11, 2018 17:29:40 GMT
Class 710s will be used on the Goblin. Class 378s are too long for many of the platforms. TfL has no class 387s. is there a massive length difference between the two classes? (710/378) Also i thought the reason for not using 378s was that they are now an obsolete design, electrostar out, aventra in. If the reason is length then surely theses trains are going to be shorter than the trains they replace, e.g. class 315? There is a difference of 1 car length (~20 metres) between the 378s as they are now and the 710s as they'll be delivered. You are correct that additional 378s weren't offered by Bombardier, but that is the reason that they ordered 710s rather than 378s. They could have used 378s on the GOBLIN with Selective door opening at near enough every station, other than the fact that doing so would leave them short of units to provide the current level of service on the rest of the LO network The 710s will be the same length as the West Anglia units that they replace (nominal 80 metres, 4x 20m), and much like the existing W.A. fleets will be able to couple together to form 8 car trains. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jun 11, 2018 18:33:38 GMT
Also i thought the reason for not using 378s was that they are now an obsolete design, electrostar out, aventra in. That too, but I took the original query to be a suggestion that some of the existing 378 fleet might be used (or possibly 387, if that was actually intended and not a typo). Not sure there are many of either class sitting around idle that could be pressed into service on the Goblin though! |
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Post by waysider on Jun 14, 2018 20:30:06 GMT
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Post by melikepie on Jun 14, 2018 20:38:01 GMT
Funny. I swear the bridge, staff accommodation and even the train look like the same structure or do I need my glasses changed? |
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Post by Red Dragon on Jun 14, 2018 20:44:59 GMT
Funny. I swear the bridge, staff accommodation and even the train look like the same structure or do I need my glasses changed? I can see industrial relations rapidly declining 😂 |
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Post by waysider on Jun 14, 2018 20:45:43 GMT
give me a chance ...just spotted my mistake myself - changed it now :-)
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Post by jukes on Jun 14, 2018 20:55:42 GMT
I suspect the brick structure is all that remains of the passenger footbridge from the days of the old station building.
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Post by slugabed on Jun 14, 2018 21:25:00 GMT
I've wondered about that structure for many years...it has what looks like a sluice-wheel on the top,as if it controlled some watercourse.There's a similar one on the other side of the track,a few hundred yards to the west.
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Jun 14, 2018 21:26:38 GMT
give me a chance ...just spotted my mistake myself - changed it now :-) Pull yourself together waysider, anybody would think you were in the pay of Chris M and the Quiz Team with that sort of shambles.  |
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Post by waysider on Jun 14, 2018 22:03:59 GMT
give me a chance ...just spotted my mistake myself - changed it now :-) Pull yourself together waysider , anybody would think you were in the pay of Chris M and the Quiz Team with that sort of shambles. oh the shame.... |
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Post by alpinejohn on Jun 15, 2018 7:44:18 GMT
That tower looks too robust for just a footbridge - perhaps at one stage there was a water tank located on top of the tower to supply steam locos.
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Post by jukes on Jun 16, 2018 16:41:27 GMT
That tower looks too robust for just a footbridge - perhaps at one stage there was a water tank located on top of the tower to supply steam locos. No I'm pretty sure I remember a footbridge - but then again I'm remembering 30+ years ago. GOOD NEWS!!!! - ORR HAVE SIGNED OFF ON ON THE GOB OHLE - which means electric traction for passenger and freight may now use it. |
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Post by snoggle on Jun 16, 2018 19:52:14 GMT
GOOD NEWS!!!! - ORR HAVE SIGNED OFF ON ON THE GOB OHLE - which means electric traction for passenger and freight may now use it. THUD! (pitches tent at Blackhorse Rd for first 710 sighting *) * not really.  |
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