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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 11:02:35 GMT
Overall a good idea - the fuss about ticket office closures lost battle just go somewhere like Boston of San Francisco and there are no ticket offices as it is all automated and it works even for a visitor who never seen it before. The bad news is that Bozo will now think he is on a winning streak and push for driver-less tube trains which is not a good idea.
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Post by rheostar on Nov 22, 2013 16:09:49 GMT
Can you post a link re the announcement on phasing out of Oyster Cards please as I can't find one Part of our staff update pack refers mentions the royalty cost LU has to pay for using Oyster. It's cheaper to move to contactless bank cards. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 19:59:13 GMT
[..] Most maintenance work on the track is usually done mid week. The weekends are left for major projects, such as there's been recently on the Piccadilly line. The fact that 24hr running doesn't start tomorrow but we'll actually have to wait until 2015 suggests that TfL expects many of the major overhauls to be complete by then. We have seen unprecedented amounts of investment, maintenance and closures in the last decade. Presumably from 2015 they can bring it back to normal levels of five nights a week engineering works instead of seven. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2013 14:41:25 GMT
I Think the 24hr running is a good idea in theory however the only way to do this properly would be to drill duplicate tunnels to alternate between running trains and maintinance.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2013 18:59:22 GMT
I can't see TfL, reducing the salary for existing staff.....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2013 20:05:29 GMT
I can't see TfL, reducing the salary for existing staff..... We'll anyone whose worked for tfl for any length of time could definitely see wages being cut something like this has been expected for a long time and it would seem likely that once the stations are reorganised then it'll probably be the trains next then service control this is likely to be just the start |
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Post by rheostar on Nov 23, 2013 20:29:01 GMT
I can't see TfL, reducing the salary for existing staff..... We'll anyone whose worked for tfl for any length of time could definitely see wages being cut something like this has been expected for a long time and it would seem likely that once the stations are reorganised then it'll probably be the trains next then service control this is likely to be just the start I'd be surprised if our salaries are cut, although I can't see us getting the above inflation pay rises that we've had for the past few years. |
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Post by revupminster on Nov 24, 2013 8:19:13 GMT
Reorganisation is nothing new, after all there are no guards. When driver only came in on the District, the drivers where allowed to do anything so that the applecart was not upset. I am trying to think of an example of a station. I'll try Elm Park. 1970 3 Foremen around the clock, 4 booking clerks, 1/3 Chief clerk (as he looked after 3 stations) 3 ticket collectors and I think at least 1 railman maybe 2. There was the associated Rest Day covers. There were line releiefs for sickness and leave but I will not cover them as they are still there in some shape or form.
The first to go was 1 booking clerk. Then the railman. Then the ticket collectors.
The company plan left Elm Park with 4 supervisors and 4 booking clerks, the Rest Day covers having gone. A few years later this changed to 6 multifunctional supervisors around the clock. This again changed to 4 multifunctional supervisors around the the clock plus one part timer (5 hours) in the booking office in the morning Mon Fri. At all other times the station had one man. Cleaning had been subcontracted out a long time before.
The introduction of gates brought back 1 1/2 station assistants mon-fri. This type of staffing generally reflected Upney to Upminster Bridge. Do not know what is there now
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Post by rheostar on Nov 24, 2013 10:03:43 GMT
Reorganisation is nothing new, after all there are no guards. When driver only came in on the District, the drivers where allowed to do anything so that the applecart was not upset. Unfortunately, I'm old enough to remember before OPO came in. The unions were saying it was never, ever going to happen and would fight it at all costs. At one point, they even turned down the company's offer of giving motormen half of the guards money. In the end, the unions settled for 50p extra an hour for motormen plus an OPO allowance for everyone else in the line of promotion. As 'everyone else' wasn't working OPO, us motormen were quite aggrieved at that! The arguments the unions are putting up now are just the same from 30+ years ago. LU will eventually get it's way, as it always has. |
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Post by trt on Jan 10, 2014 12:41:23 GMT
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Post by melikepie on Jan 12, 2014 14:58:02 GMT
Expanding on that, 4th-5th Feb and 11th-12th Feb
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Post by melikepie on Jan 27, 2014 18:42:02 GMT
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Post by melikepie on Jan 28, 2014 12:33:13 GMT
Do you know if its possible to know in advance which lines will be affected or should I just wait until next week?
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Post by sawb on Jan 28, 2014 14:11:47 GMT
I guess it really depends on whether or not TfL can get clearance to lawfully use these "volunteers" that they apparently have ready to go at a moment's notice.
Certainly from my point of view, I'm planning for worst case scenario, which is of course no service on any line!
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Post by castlebar on Jan 28, 2014 16:20:58 GMT
Why strike at all?
Just open the gates, turn the readers off and let everyone travel free
That will concentrate management's mind much quicker and the entire travelling public will be 100% on side the staff's side.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2014 21:16:47 GMT
Why strike at all? Just open the gates, turn the readers off and let everyone travel free That will concentrate management's mind much quicker and the entire travelling public will be 100% on side the staff's side. Isn't that illegal, that is why it has never been tried??? |
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Post by domh245 on Jan 28, 2014 21:28:30 GMT
Why strike at all? Just open the gates, turn the readers off and let everyone travel free That will concentrate management's mind much quicker and the entire travelling public will be 100% on side the staff's side. I suspect that any staff that did that would find they wouldn't have a job to come back to when they've finished their strike... |
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Post by Tomcakes on Jan 28, 2014 22:00:00 GMT
Though that would work admirably, it would also put staff in blatant disregard of their contract (whether stated explicitly I know not, but I suspect it could be easily shown to be a breach of an implied term in their contract that they must not knowingly let passengers avoid paying the fare).
If the strike action goes ahead and affects services, a passenger delayed by more than 15 minutes could claim a refund anyway, if the delay was due to short-staffing.
I have noticed recently that many ticket offices no longer open for their stated times, and are closed when the staff take tea breaks etc. Apparently at some stations there is no cover procedure for staff off sick or even on annual leave!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 0:18:05 GMT
Why strike at all? Just open the gates, turn the readers off and let everyone travel free That will concentrate management's mind much quicker and the entire travelling public will be 100% on side the staff's side. From the RMT website "In action short of a strike, station grades not to carry out revenue duties on 7th, 10th and 14th February 2014 between 09.30 and 11.30 hours and 18.30 and 20.30 hours" Although that has no effect on those who've bought period tickets, you've paid for the day regardless of whether the gates are open or not. I have noticed recently that many ticket offices no longer open for their stated times, and are closed when the staff take tea breaks etc. Apparently at some stations there is no cover procedure for staff off sick or even on annual leave! You mean the legally required 30 minute meal reliefs or PNRs, station staff don't get tea breaks. Every station group has a pool of reserve staff to cover sickness or annual leave. |
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Post by DWS on Jan 29, 2014 7:09:48 GMT
So all the staff you see out side Stratford station smoking are on a meal break ?
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Post by rheostar on Jan 29, 2014 7:19:10 GMT
From the RMT website "In action short of a strike, station grades not to carry out revenue duties on 7th, 10th and 14th February 2014 between 09.30 and 11.30 hours and 18.30 and 20.30 hours" That's probably a bit of an own goal and it'll just prove that booking offices aren't needed. Nearly all commuters have Oyster tickets so any loss of revenue would be minimal. Most people are honest so they'd buy a ticket regardless if someone's checking them or not. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 9:24:53 GMT
So all the staff you see out side Stratford station smoking are on a meal break ? No, just not SAMFs who'd have to keep booking in and out of the ticket office. Anyway they don't need tea breaks, they can always have a cup while they're sat at the window. They could also be away from their window while sorting out a problem in the POM room or banking the cash from the POMs. Or dealing with the endless paperwork LUL attach to almost every job apart from TOp, one reason I got away from stations and never, ever want to become a manager. I worked Stratford from 1999 until 2003, it was always the SAs (CSAs these days) who crept off from the gateline to grab a crafty fag although LUL are currently getting tough on staff smoking in uniform, not the image they want to project. In future they might have to sneak out into the car park next to the Jubilee platforms. That's probably a bit of an own goal and it'll just prove that booking offices aren't needed. Nearly all commuters have Oyster tickets so any loss of revenue would be minimal. Most people are honest so they'd buy a ticket regardless if someone's checking them or not. My point exactly, simply opening up the gates and letting everyone travel for free has little effect when people have already paid on their Oyster. I think what they mean by "revenue duties" is just waving people through the gatelines when they’ve not got enough or are out of zone. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 3, 2014 14:15:46 GMT
The services intended to be run on strike days have been published - presumably selected to maximise the use of what statoin staff are available. www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/strike-advance-travel-advice-4-to-6-feb.pdf Much easier to understand, but slightly innacurate, diagram here www.flickr.com/photos/ianvisits/12285044544/sizes/k/in/photostream/ But some very odd features to my eyes. Why bother running all the way to Upminster calling only at West Ham and Barking. Doesn't C2C cover those stations? Surely better to run a more intesnive service on the rest of the line? Why truncate the Central at Leytonstone, two stops short of a useful interchange at Stratford (which is an NR statoin and will thus be manned). It is surely just as asy to "tip out" there? (The train istelf could then go on empty, as far as necesary beyond Stratford, to reverse) |
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Post by rdm on Feb 3, 2014 16:52:06 GMT
Perhaps because Upminster is the source of a good many trains?
RDM.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 3, 2014 18:07:05 GMT
Perhaps because Upminster is the source of a good many trains? RDM. Of course - Parsons Green can't supply the entire Wimbledon service, and there is nothing to say that there will be a full service out to Upminster - depot journey only perhaps?: plenty of places they can be turned to keep up service levels in the centre (Tower Hill, Pliastow (tipping out at West Ham) or Barking |
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Post by domh245 on Feb 3, 2014 19:50:24 GMT
Fulham Broadway is now not open - If only my school wasn't also easily accessible from west brom, then I might have got away with a sudden case of its_a_tube_strike_and_my_dt_deadline_is_today-itus. But on a serious note they seem to be changing frequently now,so it is worth checking fairly often
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2014 12:52:10 GMT
Why truncate the Central at Leytonstone, two stops short of a useful interchange at Stratford (which is an NR statoin and will thus be manned). It is surely just as asy to "tip out" there? (The train istelf could then go on empty, as far as necesary beyond Stratford, to reverse) For a start you don't have to tip out at Leytonstone, you just pull into platform 2 and change ends. At Stratford FGE staff and LOROL staff will be there but they won't assist with tipping out, that will be down to the TOp and should one of the passengers not want or not be able to get off it's possible that there would be no one to assist with their removal, consequently until they budge of their own free will or BTP turn up we'd be shut down. You can reverse at Bethnal Green or Liverpool Street which would add an extra 25-30 minutes, until we know how many TOps are going to turn up tomorrow its advisable to keep it EPP-LES shuttles rather than promise anything we might not be able to deliver. |
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Post by sawb on Feb 4, 2014 17:11:37 GMT
I'm confused aslefshrugged. I thought the dispute was between TfL and TSSA/RMT members, or is the Central line primarily made up of RMT drivers rather than aslef drivers?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2014 18:48:47 GMT
I'm confused aslefshrugged. I thought the dispute was between TfL and TSSA/RMT members, or is the Central line primarily made up of RMT drivers rather than aslef drivers? About a third of TOps are RMT, two thirds ASLEF although each lines has variations. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2014 18:53:56 GMT
Why truncate the Central at Leytonstone, two stops short of a useful interchange at Stratford (which is an NR statoin and will thus be manned). It is surely just as asy to "tip out" there? (The train istelf could then go on empty, as far as necesary beyond Stratford, to reverse) Of course the other reason could be that everything between Leyton and White City is Section 12, including Stratford I seem to recall. While there will be LOROL and FGE staff I don’t think any of them are trained on the fire system which covers the whole station. |
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