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Post by snoggle on Dec 4, 2018 21:58:22 GMT
An interesting little snippet about progress, or lack thereof, at Tottenham Hale Station. This is from the latest Programmes and Investment Cttee papers - Q2 18/19 Investment Programme Report.
Looks like the utterly ludicrous "2 gatelines" design is causing some dispute between LU and Greater Anglia. It's not an easy thing to fix given different PAYG tariffs apply to the different operators' services plus GA will want to protect Stansted Airport revenues. Can't say I am surprised that the design is proving problematic.
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Post by waysider on Jan 2, 2019 23:20:04 GMT
so is the new station building at Tottenham Hale being designed with this daft two sets of gates layout in mind?
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Post by waysider on Jan 2, 2019 23:29:20 GMT
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Post by snoggle on Jan 3, 2019 15:35:30 GMT
so is the new station building at Tottenham Hale being designed with this daft two sets of gates layout in mind? The design that got planning approval certainly did have two gatelines. It also added a footbridge link over the new third track (off the end of the existing footbridge over the GA tracks) to the blocks of student flats. That link would become "unpaid" in the new design and is one of the reasons why there were (are?) two gatelines - the existing LU one and then a relocated Gtr Anglia gateline - in the new design. Personally I don't see why you need that link. To walk round via Ferry Lane takes only marginally longer. I can't see an easy answer to this conundrum because having "behind the gateline" interchange will cause revenue leakage at this location. So many of the stops on the Gtr Anglia route are ungated meaning people would have open access into the tube via T Hale (and many other services at Stratford) without paying anythng on GA. AIUI the gateline for the Gtr Anglia services was mandated by the DfT who demanded action to reduce revenue losses. Removing the facility in the new ticket hall would almost certainly need DfT sign off which I doubt would be forthcoming. |
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Post by Dom K on Jan 3, 2019 17:32:22 GMT
New escalator for the new footbridge is due be installed this weekend! Although pictures might be delayed as I’m not back at work until 16th Jan
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Post by waysider on Jan 7, 2019 22:27:55 GMT
I'm sure I'm asking something thtat is common knowledge but who will be operating this 'new' Meridian Water to Stratford service when it opens ...Greater Anglia? London Overground? Someone else?
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Post by Dom K on Jan 8, 2019 0:50:54 GMT
I'm sure I'm asking something thtat is common knowledge but who will be operating this 'new' Meridian Water to Stratford service when it opens ...Greater Anglia? London Overground? Someone else? Greater Anglia. It’s in the contract |
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Post by snoggle on Jan 8, 2019 12:36:33 GMT
I'm sure I'm asking something thtat is common knowledge but who will be operating this 'new' Meridian Water to Stratford service when it opens ...Greater Anglia? London Overground? Someone else? There was originally an option for LO to operate it. There was even an option for an extra 710 train in the contract for those trains with "STAR" as the reason. However as Dom K says it is now part of the Greater Anglia franchise as a supplement to the Train Service Requirement. Sadly I read elsewhere yesterday that the opening date for STAR has slipped from May 2019 to possibly Sept 2019.  I've been looking forward to the extra frequency kicking in as that link is very useful and faster than using the bus providing I get a decent connection at T Hale. The higher frequency will cut wait times down hugely. |
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Post by snoggle on Jan 25, 2019 0:06:49 GMT
The Dft have announced that they agree to the closure of Angel Road station with effect from May 2019. The decision has to be ratified by ORR. www.gov.uk/government/consultations/angel-road-rail-station-closure-may-2019This partly deals with suggestions that the new STAR service may not be ready by May 2019. Clearly it may be possible to partially open Meridian Water station and just have existing Angel Road departures transfer across if the third track and associated works are not ready in time. I am slightly surprised that Meridian Water will be completely unmanned. Strikes me as a bit poor really. |
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Post by waysider on Jan 25, 2019 1:31:24 GMT
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Post by snoggle on Feb 1, 2019 13:54:45 GMT
Network Rail update video. Means Meridian Water station opens May 2019 to replace Angel Road but only with the current M-F peaks only service. The supplemental service from Stratford to Meridian Water likely to start in September 2019. This means we have a brand new station sitting largely unused for 4-5 months except in the peaks.  Even when the shuttle service starts Meridian Water only gets 2 tph M-F off peak and weekends - nice generous DfT franchise specification. (rolls eyes). |
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Post by waysider on Feb 13, 2019 0:01:30 GMT
Did anyone else think 'ffs' when Enfield's 'Design Champion' introduced himself on the video?
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Post by snoggle on Feb 13, 2019 0:32:13 GMT
Did anyone else think 'ffs' when Enfield's 'Design Champion' introduced himself on the video? Not really. We would not be getting the new Meridian Water station nor the extra track without Enfield Council having pushed so hard on the transport aspects needed to support their plans for the redevelopment in the area. I suspect the "new walkway" aspect of the Meridian Water station will prove to be pretty popular pretty soon. The railway really does cause a lot of severance in that part of London and the walking environment on or near the North Circular is appalling. Something that will be much better will be appreciated by the locals south of Montagu Road (and west of the railway) who will gain a convenient walking route to Tescos (and the station) if nothing else in the short term. |
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Post by brigham on Feb 13, 2019 9:08:55 GMT
Did anyone else think 'ffs' when Enfield's 'Design Champion' introduced himself on the video? Reminds me of the bloke on Monty Python describing his new hi-tech slaughterhouse. |
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Post by waysider on Feb 14, 2019 0:45:31 GMT
Did anyone else think 'ffs' when Enfield's 'Design Champion' introduced himself on the video? Reminds me of the bloke on Monty Python describing his new hi-tech slaughterhouse. Haha exactly! |
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Post by Dom K on Mar 11, 2019 9:39:22 GMT
Some updates:
Tottenham Hale mainline platforms renumbered 1-4, with platform 2 now 4, 1= 3. Note there will be no platform 1!
Signals at junction of 3rd track by Lea Bridge now turned on!
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Post by snoggle on Mar 11, 2019 12:25:55 GMT
Some updates: Tottenham Hale mainline platforms renumbered 1-4, with platform 2 now 4, 1= 3. Note there will be no platform 1! Signals at junction of 3rd track by Lea Bridge now turned on! Interesting that realtimetrains show platform 4 for arrivals in the future but once a train has called it is recorded as platform 2. There are no references to platform 3 in the data. Looks like the changes implemented over the weekend haven't quite fed through into all of the reporting systems. National Rail website (live departure boards) is showing platforms 3 and 4 correctly. The other thing to add is that the LU ticket hall reconstruction continues. The large concrete cast shell was having metal framework added to it last week. |
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Post by Dom K on Mar 11, 2019 16:09:51 GMT
Some updates: Tottenham Hale mainline platforms renumbered 1-4, with platform 2 now 4, 1= 3. Note there will be no platform 1! Signals at junction of 3rd track by Lea Bridge now turned on! Interesting that realtimetrains show platform 4 for arrivals in the future but once a train has called it is recorded as platform 2. There are no references to platform 3 in the data. Looks like the changes implemented over the weekend haven't quite fed through into all of the reporting systems. National Rail website (live departure boards) is showing platforms 3 and 4 correctly. The other thing to add is that the LU ticket hall reconstruction continues. The large concrete cast shell was having metal framework added to it last week. To add that Northumberland Park has had the same treatment ie platform renumbering again no platform 1 yet* *maybe at some point in the next 50 years if we are lucky. |
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Post by snoggle on Mar 18, 2019 17:05:07 GMT
Courtesy of a post on Railforums UK it is now possible to get a clue as to the service level from Meridian Water and Stratford after the STAR service commences on 9th September. www.railforums.co.uk/threads/partial-west-anglia-route-additional-third-track-and-new-station-at-meridian-water.122783/page-3#post-3926507There are links on the above link to the Realtimetrains site showing the times. Sadly the service is as dreadful as I feared in the peaks with 20-30 minute gaps which is ludicrous given the cost of the scheme and how little in terms of capacity has been delivered. A passing loop and extra platform at T Hale would have worked wonders. Off peak M-F the service looks more rational with 14/16 min headways between Stratford and T Hale which are tolerable. Shame they couldn't manage a straight 15 min headway. The service out of Meridian Water itself is also not exactly stellar with half hourly headways and a smattering of M-F peak extras. It's not yet possible to confirm the weekend service on Realtimetrains but it's supposed to be half hourly to / from Meridian Water. |
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Post by phil on Mar 19, 2019 19:25:52 GMT
Courtesy of a post on Railforums UK it is now possible to get a clue as to the service level from Meridian Water and Stratford after the STAR service commences on 9th September. www.railforums.co.uk/threads/partial-west-anglia-route-additional-third-track-and-new-station-at-meridian-water.122783/page-3#post-3926507There are links on the above link to the Realtimetrains site showing the times. Sadly the service is as dreadful as I feared in the peaks with 20-30 minute gaps which is ludicrous given the cost of the scheme and how little in terms of capacity has been delivered. A passing loop and extra platform at T Hale would have worked wonders. Off peak M-F the service looks more rational with 14/16 min headways between Stratford and T Hale which are tolerable. Shame they couldn't manage a straight 15 min headway. The service out of Meridian Water itself is also not exactly stellar with half hourly headways and a smattering of M-F peak extras. It's not yet possible to confirm the weekend service on Realtimetrains but it's supposed to be half hourly to / from Meridian Water.
Please remember that a significant part of the monies for the scheme come from the DfT - who also specify the train service by virtue of it remaining part of the GA franchise.
To Whitehall a 30minute interval service IS a perfectly adequate to service an urban area (every 15 mins is an over provision in their eyes) and they were NOT going o provide infrastructure which facilitated anything much better.
If you dislike the approach taken then please forward all complaints to a certain Chris Grayling - because like quite a few things transport related the powers of the GLA / mayor to do what they want are heavily compromised by the need to secure Central Government funding and all the conditions that come with it!
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Post by Dom K on Mar 19, 2019 20:05:35 GMT
Lets not divert this service to a political destination, it never ends well and there are forum rules that do not allow political discussion. Thanks
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Post by snoggle on Mar 20, 2019 0:21:56 GMT
Please remember that a significant part of the monies for the scheme come from the DfT - who also specify the train service by virtue of it remaining part of the GA franchise. To Whitehall a 30minute interval service IS a perfectly adequate to service an urban area (every 15 mins is an over provision in their eyes) and they were NOT going o provide infrastructure which facilitated anything much better. If you dislike the approach taken then please forward all complaints to a certain Chris Grayling - because like quite a few things transport related the powers of the GLA / mayor to do what they want are heavily compromised by the need to secure Central Government funding and all the conditions that come with it! I expressed a personal opinion. I don't like how the DfT specify things. That's a perfectly valid viewpoint just as the opposite one is. I am well aware where the funding has come from - I have read the old funding and approval papers that used to be on the City Hall website. I really don't need to be told to complain to the Secretary of State nor be given the "A to Z of railway funding" lecture. I'm not stupid nor ignorant thanks very much.  |
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Post by phil on Mar 20, 2019 8:33:53 GMT
Please remember that a significant part of the monies for the scheme come from the DfT - who also specify the train service by virtue of it remaining part of the GA franchise. To Whitehall a 30minute interval service IS a perfectly adequate to service an urban area (every 15 mins is an over provision in their eyes) and they were NOT going o provide infrastructure which facilitated anything much better. If you dislike the approach taken then please forward all complaints to a certain Chris Grayling - because like quite a few things transport related the powers of the GLA / mayor to do what they want are heavily compromised by the need to secure Central Government funding and all the conditions that come with it! I expressed a personal opinion. I don't like how the DfT specify things. That's a perfectly valid viewpoint just as the opposite one is. I am well aware where the funding has come from - I have read the old funding and approval papers that used to be on the City Hall website. I really don't need to be told to complain to the Secretary of State nor be given the "A to Z of railway funding" lecture. I'm not stupid nor ignorant thanks very much.
Of course your viewpoint is valid - and from a Londoners perspective a 30 minute interval service is not really satisfactory.
However you post implied that the the service frequency was an afterthought and that it could somehow change between what was used to specify the amount of extra infrastructure to be built and opening - with the implication you were dismayed it wasn't increased.
If you were fully aware of the design spec / funding constraints / role of the DFT why then didn't you say so? Persons less well informed could easily assume you were suggesting TfL were to blame somehow, that the infrastructure could support a grater service than its original design spec assumed, that someone had gone back on their word over the train service which would be provided or that you were ignorant of the schemes original design.
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Post by phil on Mar 20, 2019 8:45:14 GMT
Lets not divert this service to a political destination, it never ends well and there are forum rules that do not allow political discussion. Thanks <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 34.940000000000055px; height: 3px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_25663751" scrolling="no" width="34.940000000000055" height="3"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 34.94px; height: 3px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1676px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_15208733" scrolling="no" width="34.940000000000055" height="3"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 34.94px; height: 3px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 91px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_60342967" scrolling="no" width="34.940000000000055" height="3"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 34.94px; height: 3px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1676px; top: 91px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_45240656" scrolling="no" width="34.940000000000055" height="3"></iframe>
Its not 'political' to say that the DfT would not provide sufficient funding to provide double track throughout to support a 15 minute even interval service!
Nor is it 'political' to point out that the DfTs definition of a 'frequent service' lags well behind what TfL aspire to in this regard.
Nor is it political to say that if folk disagree with the service provision / amount of extra infrastructure provided then they need to be making their feelings known to the DfT who franchise the Lea Valley train service and who have provided a significant quantity of the funding for the STAR project.
Nor is it 'political' to draw folks attention to the fact it is important to differentiate between things which TfL fund (for which the GLA / Mayor are the responsible body to which complaints about the quality, capacity, etc ) and schemes which are co-funded from the DfT - where any shortcomings are the responsibility of said department and its boss.
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Post by Dom K on Mar 20, 2019 9:04:54 GMT
Lets not divert this service to a political destination, it never ends well and there are forum rules that do not allow political discussion. Thanks <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 34.940000000000055px; height: 3px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_25663751" scrolling="no" width="34.940000000000055" height="3"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 34.94px; height: 3px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1676px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_15208733" scrolling="no" width="34.940000000000055" height="3"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 34.94px; height: 3px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 91px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_60342967" scrolling="no" width="34.940000000000055" height="3"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 34.94px; height: 3px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1676px; top: 91px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_45240656" scrolling="no" width="34.940000000000055" height="3"></iframe>
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Mar 20, 2019 9:28:17 GMT
I'm not sure what's happened to the formatting in Phil's post above (iFrame issue by the looks of things) but can members be careful to preview what they're posting to try and avoid this happening in future. Many thanks! 
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Post by snoggle on Apr 27, 2019 16:56:45 GMT
Looks like it's Monday 9 September for the introduction of the enhanced STAR service from Meridian Water to Stratford. The new Greater Anglia timetable shows the timetable and dates when the extra services start. Shame the Sunday service is diabolically bad - 5/25 headways southbound and 10/20 headways northbound. M-S is near enough every 15 mins Stratford - Tottenham Hale. New GA timetable |
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Post by slugabed on Apr 27, 2019 17:46:00 GMT
Although "lop-sided" the timetable is better than the one we currently "enjoy"....especially if,as I do,you regularly would like to use Northumberland Park at the weekend...
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Post by Dom K on May 13, 2019 12:23:14 GMT
Greater Anglia confirmed to me today that Friday 17th May will be the last day of operation for services at Angel Road. Meridian Water will open on Monday 20th May with the 3rd track operations beginning 9th September. They have yet to confirm if there is any opening ceremony
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Post by Dom K on May 15, 2019 13:52:29 GMT
Greater Anglia confirmed to me today that Friday 17th May will be the last day of operation for services at Angel Road. Meridian Water will open on Monday 20th May with the 3rd track operations beginning 9th September. They have yet to confirm if there is any opening ceremony Further the post above GA (Greater Anglia) confirmed there have been some issues with Meridian Water so the closure has been postponed by one week at present. As the following week it appears the first services from Meridian Water will be from Tuesday 28th May. GA said they are working on creating posters at the stations and will provide staff at Meridian Water pointing them back to Angel Road (that’s a long walk!) |
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I've been looking forward to the extra frequency kicking in as that link is very useful and faster than using the bus providing I get a decent connection at T Hale. The higher frequency will cut wait times down hugely.
Even when the shuttle service starts Meridian Water only gets 2 tph M-F off peak and weekends - nice generous DfT franchise specification. (rolls eyes).
