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Post by naz on Jun 20, 2018 7:39:44 GMT
Unless a wide angle lens was used by James a very sharp radius point will be needed here to gain access to the new third track ! Maybe they will build a wider bridge over the stream or is it a footpath and start the junction a bit further back ? The relay cabinet with the yellow stripe will need relocating.
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Post by snoggle on Jun 20, 2018 9:27:33 GMT
Unless a wide angle lens was used by James a very sharp radius point will be needed here to gain access to the new third track ! Maybe they will build a wider bridge over the stream or is it a footpath and start the junction a bit further back ? The relay cabinet with the yellow stripe will need relocating. The third track at Meridian Water is a stub end terminal. The line does not rejoin the main line AFAIK. Therefore those cabinets won't be being moved. |
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Post by waysider on Jun 20, 2018 23:27:39 GMT
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Post by Chris M on Jun 21, 2018 0:14:19 GMT
The third track at Meridian Water is a stub end terminal. The line does not rejoin the main line AFAIK. Therefore those cabinets won't be being moved. That sounds very short sited when simply putting the cabinets elsewhere would provide passive provision for a future connection. |
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Post by waysider on Jun 21, 2018 9:38:24 GMT
The third track at Meridian Water is a stub end terminal. The line does not rejoin the main line AFAIK. Therefore those cabinets won't be being moved. That sounds very short sited when simply putting the cabinets elsewhere would provide passive provision for a future connection. Along the whole length of this line, despite what TfL and network rail are saying, I see very little 'passive provision' for a future fourth track ...at Tottenham Hale, Northumberland Park and Meridian Water I can't see how a future fourth platform can ever be squeezing in and on certain lengths of the line there's not even enough room for a fourth track? We all know this is being done on a limited budget but the whole 'passive provision for the future' is a lie ...anyone with two eyes in their head can see that |
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Post by waysider on Jul 19, 2018 23:51:05 GMT
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Post by snoggle on Aug 9, 2018 20:56:31 GMT
Another video from Network Rail - this time about 80% of the track having been laid for the extra line from Lea Bridge to Meridian Water. It's the station areas which are lacking track - presumably because of the construction work for new platforms. When I went on the 34 the other weekend the three platform faces at Meridian Water were all in place which was a bit of a surprise. I hadn't expected the main line platforms to be in place. |
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Post by phil on Aug 10, 2018 13:17:30 GMT
That sounds very short sited when simply putting the cabinets elsewhere would provide passive provision for a future connection. Along the whole length of this line, despite what TfL and network rail are saying, I see very little 'passive provision' for a future fourth track ...at Tottenham Hale, Northumberland Park and Meridian Water I can't see how a future fourth platform can ever be squeezing in and on certain lengths of the line there's not even enough room for a fourth track? We all know this is being done on a limited budget but the whole 'passive provision for the future' is a lie ...anyone with two eyes in their head can see that Looking at some of the pictures its clear to see that space exists to add a 4th track / platform. At Tottenham Hale for example if you move the fence line back there is enough room to build one next to the flats / partially underneath the car park looking structure. Similarly the footbridge span over what will be the STAR platform at Meridian Water is exactly the same width as that which goes over the current railway lines so provision of a 4th track / platform is doable.
However other photos like the one of the new footbridge at Northumberland Park seem to show the span over the STAR track to be shorter, thus making it doubtful a 4th track can be squeezed through at a later date.
Maybe it depends on where the funding is coming from for the works - Meridan Water is being paid for by the developer so I guess TfL can force through a more expensive solution where as other works are subject to DfT / NR / TfL budget cuts / constraints and the work has been subtly de-scoped (i.e. don't provide pasive provision for a 4th track if it is going to cost slightly more).
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Post by naz on Aug 12, 2018 10:17:48 GMT
We should not loose sight of the fact that the STAR project is being built on what was the goods only lines into Temple mills marshalling yards and were built so that the many freight trains that came in from East Anglia had access to the yards without getting in the way of passenger trains this is reflected in the signalling which was very likely No Block / Permissive working of some sort .As no passenger trains used the line no land was needed for any platforms then so the boundary fence on the east side need only be a few metres from the up goods line . This has not moved for the most part since the lines were lifted in c1969 since then many factories /warehouses and houses not to mention access roads have been built right up the fence. So to build new up platforms on a relaid up line additional land will need to be purchased at least several metres wide and relocate the boundary with Networkrail and/or TFL. Now can you imagine the cost involved here not to mention the amount of work required. I think the best we can expect is a 4th line which will become the up fast track which will be very useful in the years to come.
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Post by waysider on Aug 13, 2018 22:06:05 GMT
Along the whole length of this line, despite what TfL and network rail are saying, I see very little 'passive provision' for a future fourth track ...at Tottenham Hale, Northumberland Park and Meridian Water I can't see how a future fourth platform can ever be squeezing in and on certain lengths of the line there's not even enough room for a fourth track? We all know this is being done on a limited budget but the whole 'passive provision for the future' is a lie ...anyone with two eyes in their head can see that Looking at some of the pictures its clear to see that space exists to add a 4th track / platform. At Tottenham Hale for example if you move the fence line back there is enough room to build one next to the flats / partially underneath the car park looking structure. Similarly the footbridge span over what will be the STAR platform at Meridian Water is exactly the same width as that which goes over the current railway lines so provision of a 4th track / platform is doable.
However other photos like the one of the new footbridge at Northumberland Park seem to show the span over the STAR track to be shorter, thus making it doubtful a 4th track can be squeezed through at a later date.
Maybe it depends on where the funding is coming from for the works - Meridan Water is being paid for by the developer so I guess TfL can force through a more expensive solution where as other works are subject to DfT / NR / TfL budget cuts / constraints and the work has been subtly de-scoped (i.e. don't provide pasive provision for a 4th track if it is going to cost slightly more).
As work progresses (see pics below) it looks very obvious to me that there is NO provision for a future fourth track anywhere on this project. Come the day when either Stansted Airport or Crossrail2 fund double-tracking along this line, basically all of the track, signalling and OH equipment that's being installed on the STAR project with have to be ripped up and shuffled a few feet across - its absolutely obscene that this is being allowed to happen. |
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Post by waysider on Aug 13, 2018 22:16:38 GMT
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Post by snoggle on Aug 14, 2018 9:24:50 GMT
Nice to see those snaps. Haven't been to T Hale in a fair while so wasn't aware they'd made quite that much progress. Interesting to see the lift tower for the new pedestrian bridge being put in place. That looks a bit further north than I thought it would be. I see that the electrification masts for the third track nicely prevent a fourth track being added - means a lot of work for CR2 if they ever turn up on site and have to create a 4 track / 4 platform railway.
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Post by cudsn15 on Aug 14, 2018 11:09:45 GMT
Nothing about NR's shambolic ineptitude surprises me anymore. Have any Network Rail projects been completed on time and budget? I'm sure there are some very hard workers there but clearly it's got some atrocious management.
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Post by rincew1nd on Aug 14, 2018 12:19:55 GMT
Yes, Maghull North
But then again it's northern England so doesn't really count.
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Post by stationless on Aug 14, 2018 21:24:49 GMT
From the pictures, it seem that when (or if) CR2 arrives, Meridian Waters will end up with 2 island platforms, which means slewing the down fasts over to a newly built platform. I'm not sure you could do this at any others though.
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Post by snoggle on Aug 23, 2018 10:35:58 GMT
No great shock to anyone but formal application has been made to close Angel Road station when Meridian Water station opens. Opening date for the station, and I assume STAR, is 19 May 2019. www.londontravelwatch.org.uk/news/view?id=708Formal documents linked to from that London Travelwatch page. |
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Post by rheostar on Sept 3, 2018 8:05:38 GMT
Thought you might find this interesting.
Mr AV's been taking drone video of the new Spurs stadium build, but now he's moved onto the railway.
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Post by rincew1nd on Sept 13, 2018 18:33:36 GMT
Network Rail have released a short video: Click/tap here if embedded tweet fails to display. |
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Post by waysider on Sept 16, 2018 20:59:42 GMT
Thought you might find this interesting. Mr AV's been taking drone video of the new Spurs stadium build, but now he's moved onto the railway. Good video cheers ...funky soundtrack too |
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Post by snoggle on Sept 28, 2018 20:20:00 GMT
Work continues apace on the STAR route. Noted today at Tottenham Hale
- a lot of work to the south of T Hale with substantial earthworks and supporting structures on the boundary with Ferry Lane Estate
- drainage works right near Ferry Lane bridge. This means the track isn't in place here.
- track and electrical masts in place from south of Ferry Lane estate
- platform structure works substantially complete at T Hale
- track and electrical masts including arms and hangers in place to the north of Tottenham Hale and in the new platform area.
- new lift towers in place at T Hale station
- first elements of vertical structural work now visible at T Hale station (LUL works)
I was quite surprised at the progress with the electrification works but I guess they're aiming to get that done ASAP with station works and final track works to follow on at a slightly slower pace.
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Post by Dom K on Oct 22, 2018 8:29:15 GMT
Shameless plug of my twitter, however there is a new Footbridge at Tottenham Hale installed over the weekend. I’m going to be making daily updates where possible so follow me if you want to be kept up to date
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Post by snoggle on Oct 22, 2018 10:32:53 GMT
Shameless plug of my twitter, however there is a new Footbridge at Tottenham Hale installed over the weekend. I’m going to be making daily updates where possible so follow me if you want to be kept up to date Interesting that it has now materialised. They're not far off finishing the drainage and embankment support works south of T Hale which should allow track to be completed here and also the wiring. I suspect we are going to end up with an odd situation at T Hale with the STAR works complete but the LU ticket hall works a long way behind. This is going to create some interesting challenges as to how the place operates. I caught a PM peak train to Stratford last week. There were a lot of people waiting for it and plenty already on the train. Over 50 people were waiting at Lea Bridge which was a real surprise. A positive torrent of people alighted at Stratford and there were already a lot of people waiting for the next northbound train. It's going to be very interesting to see how patronage accelerates once STAR starts next May - assuming NR get everything finished by then. |
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Post by cudsn15 on Oct 22, 2018 13:46:21 GMT
"...Build it and they will come..."
It's my preferred route to Westfield, Stratford - one stop from Seven Sisters to Tottenham Hale then the NR to Stratford - going anyway because I memorise the half hourly times - but coming back - often I am finished shopping long before a train is due so revert to the LO to Highbury & Islington and then the Victoria Line back to Seven Sisters. If the frequency improves to near metro levels next year I may well be using it for my return journeys. The potential demand is certainly there.
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Post by Dom K on Oct 23, 2018 8:26:11 GMT
Platform Edge tiles at Tottenham Hale on platform 3?
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Post by rincew1nd on Oct 23, 2018 11:10:54 GMT
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Post by Dom K on Oct 30, 2018 16:47:59 GMT
Meridian Water as viewed from the soon to be replaced Angel Road
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Post by Dom K on Nov 5, 2018 9:09:59 GMT
Wiring has begun at Meridan Water
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Post by Dom K on Nov 13, 2018 9:37:25 GMT
Some updates after the weekend closure of the Lea Valley line
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Post by Dom K on Nov 14, 2018 9:15:13 GMT
16 photos of Tottenham Hale this morning. It is 4 tweets, but will put just one here. Follow me or just view my Twitter for full pics
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Post by waysider on Dec 2, 2018 11:06:10 GMT
A few pics I took last week... Meridian Water Station last week  20181113_153353 by james tuite, on Flickr ...and again yesterday with the scaffolding off the lift towers  2018-12-02_10-50-30 by james tuite, on Flickr from Leaside road looking north to Meridian Water Station  20181113_102333 by james tuite, on Flickr and south towards Northumberland Park  20181113_102353_001 by james tuite, on Flickr From the A1055 roadbridge looking north towards Northumberland Park  20181113_103149 by james tuite, on Flickr and south towards Tottenham Hale  20181113_103242 by james tuite, on Flickr The new footbridge at Tottenham Hale station  20181113_103628 by james tuite, on Flickr  20181113_153205 by james tuite, on Flickr and new station building  20181113_103702 by james tuite, on Flickr new platform at Tottenham Hale as seen from Ferry Lane looking north  20181113_103919_001 by james tuite, on Flickr and trackbed from Ferry Lane looking south  20181113_104105 by james tuite, on Flickr |
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