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Post by superteacher on May 15, 2019 18:51:54 GMT
So in its final week, Angel Road will get its best train service in years!
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Post by melikepie on May 29, 2019 9:02:14 GMT
So has it opened?
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Post by MoreToJack on May 29, 2019 9:28:39 GMT
No, pushed back by a further week. Now expected to open on Monday 3 June. |
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Post by rincew1nd on May 30, 2019 9:28:34 GMT
ORR have signed off the station, as per this tweet:
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Post by superteacher on May 30, 2019 9:55:02 GMT
Tottenham Park! 😵😵
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Post by goldenarrow on May 30, 2019 20:08:58 GMT
Network Rail have since confirmed that Angel Road will close for the very last time tomorrow evening (Friday 31st May) and Meridian Water will open on the following Monday (3rd June). Last trains will be the 19:47 to Bishops Stortford (Ex Stratford@19:30) and the 19:52 to Stratford (Ex Bishops@19:15). And so thus concludes the history of Angel Road, a history 178 years, 8 months and 16 days long, making it old enough to predate the American Civil War. Who could could have thought that the barren ether had so much to tell. |
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Post by goldenarrow on May 31, 2019 13:24:17 GMT
Interesting developments today over lunch with some friends who work on GA. Meridian Water still appears on the system as "Meridian Water Station (MRW)" whilst on printed tickets itself it is Meridian Water (Angel Road). The only tickets that can be purchased at the moment come with the "Templars Cross" that permits a single journey on the Underground.  |
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Post by vinnielo on Jun 1, 2019 13:01:19 GMT
Network Rail have since confirmed that Angel Road will close for the very last time tomorrow evening (Friday 31st May) and Meridian Water will open on the following Monday (3rd June). Last trains will be the 19:47 to Bishops Stortford (Ex Stratford@19:30) and the 19:52 to Stratford (Ex Bishops@19:15). And so thus concludes the history of Angel Road, a history 178 years, 8 months and 16 days long, making it old enough to predate the American Civil War. Who could could have thought that the barren ether had so much to tell. And so I went out. |
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Post by superteacher on Jun 3, 2019 6:22:22 GMT
Both stations on the same map:
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Post by vinnielo on Jun 3, 2019 6:28:28 GMT
New footbridge at Tottenham Hale station due to open sometime today.
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Post by stapler on Jun 3, 2019 7:16:05 GMT
As one who used Angel Rd regularly in the late 60s-early 70s (and picked up a discarded GE handlamp inscribed "Angel Rd Jn" in the thistles behind the down platform),I' m rather sad to see it go. Even back then, with an ?hourly DMU/305, it was sparsely used, though fully staffed in the booking office on the North Circular bridge. You never saw staff on the platform.
Those 12-car trains in the clip looked fairly sparsely used, too!
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Post by vinnielo on Jun 7, 2019 10:56:20 GMT
Are the STAR services already running? Live departures seem to think they are.
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Post by goldenarrow on Jun 7, 2019 11:18:28 GMT
Are the STAR services already running? Live departures seem to think they are. There's a music festival running through today and this weekend called Field Day which is about a 5 min walk from the station which is probably why Anglia are running extra services. These services must be using the 3rd track since the additional services terminate at Meridian itself and I don't recall there being any point work on the existing lines |
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Post by MoreToJack on Jun 7, 2019 11:50:46 GMT
It appears they are running empty, presumably for training purposes.
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Post by goldenarrow on Jun 8, 2019 21:12:29 GMT
Been speaking to some of the *coughs* younger individuals I know who were going for Field Day, it appears the new station was plagued by ticket machine failures both yesterday evening and running into today with both the Oyster pad readers not working.
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Post by Deep Level on Jun 8, 2019 22:50:08 GMT
Why are the platforms numbered 2-4? Why not number them 1-3 and then add 4? With the way things are going in the UK right now Crossrail 2 probably won't even be built and then this will just end up in a Geoff Marshall video in 10 years time.
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Post by MoreToJack on Jun 9, 2019 9:47:26 GMT
Why are the platforms numbered 2-4? Why not number them 1-3 and then add 4? With the way things are going in the UK right now Crossrail 2 probably won't even be built and then this will just end up in a Geoff Marshall video in 10 years time. Signalling and platform numbering is generally connected. It is easier to ‘skip’ the missing platform than add it in later, especially when there is passive provision for it already in place. Numbering as 1-3 would either result in 4 being at the ‘wrong’ side (think Stanmore), 4 becoming 0 (think King’s Cross) or throwing platform numbering convention out of the window to have the Down line numbered as 1. Whilst I might not seem obvious, it is done for very good reason. |
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Post by superteacher on Jun 9, 2019 10:32:06 GMT
Why are the platforms numbered 2-4? Why not number them 1-3 and then add 4? With the way things are going in the UK right now Crossrail 2 probably won't even be built and then this will just end up in a Geoff Marshall video in 10 years time. Signalling and platform numbering is generally connected. It is easier to ‘skip’ the missing platform than add it in later, especially when there is passive provision for it already in place. Numbering as 1-3 would either result in 4 being at the ‘wrong’ side (think Stanmore), 4 becoming 0 (think King’s Cross) or throwing platform numbering convention out of the window to have the Down line numbered as 1. Whilst I might not seem obvious, it is done for very good reason. What about 9.75 at Kings Cross . . .😂 |
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Post by rincew1nd on Jun 9, 2019 13:23:31 GMT
Before platform 0 was a thing, during the last rebuild of Leeds station there was a platform W for a period. Eventually all the platforms were renumbered and W became 1.
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Post by superteacher on Jun 9, 2019 14:08:58 GMT
Can’t recall where, but there are / were platforms A and B. It may be New Cross.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jun 9, 2019 15:52:32 GMT
Can’t recall where, but there are / were platforms A and B. It may be New Cross. It is - apparently to avoid confusion with New Cross Gate, particularly for the emergency services. Waterloo East and St Pancras Thameslink also have lettered platforms for a similar reason, as did Kings Cross Thameslink. |
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Post by Deep Level on Jun 9, 2019 20:10:06 GMT
Can’t recall where, but there are / were platforms A and B. It may be New Cross. It is - apparently to avoid confusion with New Cross Gate, particularly for the emergency services. Waterloo East and St Pancras Thameslink also have lettered platforms for a similar reason, as did Kings Cross Thameslink. As will Crossrail. |
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Post by Chris M on Jun 9, 2019 23:15:52 GMT
What about 9.75 at Kings Cross . . .😂 And let's just not talk about Stratford... |
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Post by cudsn15 on Jun 10, 2019 6:58:39 GMT
What about 9.75 at Kings Cross . . .😂 And let's just not talk about Stratford... *Shudder* - * Takes a cold bath* *plays soothing music* |
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Post by Jerome H on Jun 11, 2019 12:31:11 GMT
Signalling and platform numbering is generally connected. It is easier to ‘skip’ the missing platform than add it in later, especially when there is passive provision for it already in place. Numbering as 1-3 would either result in 4 being at the ‘wrong’ side (think Stanmore) Is there any reason to why the three platforms had to be counted in the direction they are? Instead of unbuilt->2,3->4 why couldn’t it have been unbuilt->3,2->1? |
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Post by MoreToJack on Jun 11, 2019 15:08:14 GMT
Signalling and platform numbering is generally connected. It is easier to ‘skip’ the missing platform than add it in later, especially when there is passive provision for it already in place. Numbering as 1-3 would either result in 4 being at the ‘wrong’ side (think Stanmore) Is there any reason to why the three platforms had to be counted in the direction they are? Instead of unbuilt->2,3->4 why couldn’t it have been unbuilt->3,2->1? Yes, as I stated in my initial post after the bit you cut... Numbering as 1-3 would either result in 4 being at the ‘wrong’ side (think Stanmore), 4 becoming 0 (think King’s Cross) or throwing platform numbering convention out of the window to have the Down line numbered as 1.All 'Up' - that is, towards London - platforms are numbered '1' on this stretch of line (from Bethnal Green to King's Lynn, in fact, although Ely and Cambridge are different). Reversing that sequence to have the 'Down' platform numbered '1' would create confusion and anomalies for operational staff, with the potential for significant safety implications. The set-up at Meridian Water is no different to, say, Hackney Downs - it's just that the fourth (numbered '1') platform isn't there yet. Tottenham Hale and Northumberland Park are the same, for what it's worth. Again, it might not seem logical to enthusiasts, but it makes a great deal of sense from the viewpoint of those working on the railway. And, from that same experience, I can say that the average passenger will have no trouble at all comprehending that there might be a 'missing' platform - if you tell them they want platform 4, that's what they'll look for. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jun 11, 2019 16:43:28 GMT
Numbering from left to right as you look towards London seems to be the norm on many other lines as well. This also means that the main buildings are usually on platform 1, as that is where most people wait for trains - provision on the "down" platform is usually more rudimentary as fewer people spend much time there. I can think of a couple of stations (Lincoln, Kingston) where the numbering reflects the original, rather than current, main route to London - no doubt there are others. And there are also some large stations (Exeter St Davids, Reading) where the main buildings are on the "down" side, because of their situation relative to the town they serve, and the platforms are numbered accordingly.
London termini are a mixture -
L-R Liverpool St, St Pancras, Paddington, Victoria, Charing Cross, Waterloo, Blackfriars, Cannon Street, London Bridge
R-L Fenchurch St, Kings Cross, Euston, Marylebone (and formerly Moorgate (Thameslink) and Broad Street)
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Post by waysider on Jun 22, 2019 11:00:51 GMT
A few pics of Meridian Water Station...  20190621_193633 by james tuite, on Flickr Station exterior from Watermead Way (A1055) ...shop unit under the stairs  20190621_193748 by james tuite, on Flickr Main entrance on Watermead Way  20190621_193834 by james tuite, on Flickr View from the top of the stairs looking south - note the right side of the stairs still incomplete  20190621_193827 by james tuite, on Flickr Ticket machines at the top of the bridge - no staff accomodation, just a panel  20190621_193857 by james tuite, on Flickr bit closer  20190621_193921 by james tuite, on Flickr Platform information boards on bridge  20190621_194555 by james tuite, on Flickr Stairs leading down to west side of the tracks. At the moment they lead to a new footpath that curves around to the end of Albany Road. Plans show new roads and footpaths from the redeveloped Edmonton Gasworks (the wasteground behind the WATCH THIS SPACE sign) converging here. Also note the new Tottenham Hotspur stadium and Alexandra Palace on the horizon.  20190621_193953 by james tuite, on Flickr Station interior ...note the temporary platform numbering signs  2019-06-22_01-40-30 by james tuite, on Flickr View from bridge looking south ...new single track on the left  20190621_193653 by james tuite, on Flickr New track and terminating platform looking north  20190621_194231 by james tuite, on Flickr Same view as above but from platform  20190621_194103 by james tuite, on Flickr View from platforms looking south ...stansted express about to whizz past!  20190621_194258 by james tuite, on Flickr End of the line  20190621_194311 by james tuite, on Flickr Looking north up the tracks, the abandoned Angel Road station only 50 or so yards away |
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Post by vinnielo on Sept 9, 2019 8:21:08 GMT
I've just jumped on board one of the new Meridian Water to Stratford services using the new third track.
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Post by spsmiler on Sept 10, 2019 22:17:26 GMT
And let's just not talk about Stratford... *Shudder* - * Takes a cold bath* *plays soothing music* There is nothing wrong with Stratford station's platform layout and wayfinding information - that several good diagrammatic maps showing 'you are here', the various platform locations, the three passageways below them, and the various ticket offices would solve. This would help reduce the number of people who 'get lost' there! It seems that almost every time I interchange trains there I encounter people who are unsure of where they are going. Just don't try and catch a train from platform 7. (smile!) (Also needed are proper weather protection platform canopies on 9/10 10a, 11 and 12 - it is a disgrace that such a busy station can be so unwelcoming in wet weather.) As for those photos, the station looks OK but is it a ghost station or does it actually get many punters? |
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