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Post by rincew1nd on Sept 2, 2020 6:53:10 GMT
Looks like the island is down to one train in service today:
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Post by countryman on Sept 2, 2020 7:07:01 GMT
Looks like the island is down to one train in service today: Why do they write 'on all lines' There is only one. Same applies when there is an incident. They write something like ' Due to a fallen tree, all lines are blocked between Bournemouth and Southampton'. There is only one line, two tracks but one line. (rant over) |
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Post by brigham on Sept 2, 2020 7:34:33 GMT
That's called 'corporate-speak'.
Don't forget; the people in the office where this bull is prepared don't KNOW there is only one line. In fact, they generally don't know a lot about railways at all.
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Post by rincew1nd on Sept 2, 2020 12:56:30 GMT
ORR have approved the D Train in passenger service with TfW:
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Post by goldenarrow on Sept 2, 2020 16:30:42 GMT
It would seem that the ORR are also showing their staunch support for broad gauge yet again...
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Post by t697 on Sept 2, 2020 19:17:38 GMT
It would seem that the ORR are also showing their staunch support for broad gauge yet again... Or is it Standard Gauge with the train modified to Tube profile?  |
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Post by Chris M on Sept 2, 2020 19:18:57 GMT
It would seem that the ORR are also showing their staunch support for broad gauge yet again... Or is it Standard Gauge with the train modified to Tube profile? So that's how they're getting them to fit through Ryde Tunnel! |
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Post by brigham on Sept 3, 2020 7:28:41 GMT
It would seem that the ORR are also showing their staunch support for broad gauge yet again... What could have been... |
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Post by alpinejohn on Sept 5, 2020 15:46:09 GMT
ORR have approved the D Train in passenger service with TfW: Reading between the lines of the ORR statement, there are a couple of interesting points which hint at future developments. The ORR approval actually only covers the 4 Class 230 units identified in an application made by Vivarail. As a result ORR have only endorsed the use in passenger service of the specific units listed in the Vivarail application. That application covers the first 3 units made for Transport for Wales (TFW) - 006, 007, and 008 (which has yet to be delivered to Wales and indeed has only recently begun test runs from Vivarail Long Marston). This means a separate request will be needed for units 009 and 010 which are still under construction for TFW. The intriguing bit is that Vivarail also applied for passenger operational clearance for their two coach test unit (002) which certainly started out as a battery powered demonstrator unit and indeed after road transfer was sucessfully tested as a battery only unit on the Boness and Kinneil Railway. I suspect 002 is still battery operation only. Meantime all 5 TFW units will have a third coach with conventional diesel electric generators fitted to the underfloor rafts to keep the batteries topped up as required. This in effect means they become a battery/diesel electric hybrid. I wonder if the request for the test unit approval means that Vivarail really intend to provide it for passenger service somewhere else in the UK? One obvious runner would be the Marston Vale line - where the earlier diesel powered Class 230 units have had overheating issues. One big advantage of the Class 230 unit design is the abilty to quickly and cheaply swap out the power raft. So if the Marston Vale units continue to have issues, then provided they can provide suitable recharging facilities at either end of the route, then abandoning the Ford diesels and installing battery packs on the Marston Vale units could be a cheap upgrade to provide improved reliability and indeed deliver an environmentally sensitive upgrade.
I suspect Vivarail would be very keen to create a precedent for other Train Operating Companies to consider battery powered Class 230s on other minor feeder routes. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Sept 5, 2020 17:58:02 GMT
ORR have only endorsed the use in passenger service of the specific units ...........006, 007, and 008 (which has yet to be delivered to Wales and indeed has only recently begun test runs from Vivarail Long Marston). This means a separate request will be needed for units 008 and 009 which are still under construction for TFW Don't understand. Has 008 been approved or not? |
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Post by alpinejohn on Sept 5, 2020 18:19:40 GMT
ORR have only endorsed the use in passenger service of the specific units ...........006, 007, and 008 (which has yet to be delivered to Wales and indeed has only recently begun test runs from Vivarail Long Marston). This means a separate request will be needed for units 008 and 009 which are still under construction for TFW Don't understand. Has 008 been approved or not? Sorry got my numbers tangled . 002, 006, 007 and 008 have all been cleared for passenger service. The separate request applies to the remaining two TFW units which are still under construction - so my post should have referred to 009 and 010. |
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Post by christopher125 on Sept 17, 2020 17:26:41 GMT
Given the substantial cost and hassle of bringing this sort of specialist kit over to the island, I suspect it may stay on the island for a prolonged period only returning after the shut-down works starting next January are complete. Tampers are semi-regular visitors to both lines on the Island, I think it returned a week or two later? I doubt there'll be much [if any] further work before the closure tbh, especially with the 484s being tested overnight. The two bridges, both in the Ryde area, known to need work were sorted during August ahead of the first 484 arriving - those around Brading should be fine? |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Oct 1, 2020 14:40:22 GMT
progress:
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Post by alpinejohn on Oct 4, 2020 13:48:59 GMT
Sadly that twitter link does not appear on Firefox...? Anyway if you want to follow where things are with the various Class230s this video interview with Vivarail provides a great update on progress. www.keymodernrailways.com/article/vivarail-zero-emission-trains-videoLots of interesting dates and intriguing snippets - I wonder who they are building the 3 car set with middle car 25kv AC pantograph charging? I have often felt we seem so willing to spend millions on consultants reports which probably cost way more to say its all very difficult with endless caveats than actually just trying something out for real. |
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Post by bruce on Oct 5, 2020 6:29:37 GMT
Sadly that twitter link does not appear on Firefox...? Try right click and then open in a new tab. |
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Post by quex on Oct 7, 2020 14:16:02 GMT
Couple of interesting comments from Mr Shooter there. He says the Welsh units are "the first type [of 'D Train'] put into service", but surely that would be the sets on the Marston Vale Line? Before that he mentions that 230 002 is the "first mainline battery train that's run in the UK", but again wouldn't this be true of the old BR BEMU that ran on the Royal Deeside Line, or more recently the "IPEMU" Class 379.
"Pop-up metro" sounds like quite an exciting idea. Parry People Movers did a similar sort of thing over here on the Seven Valley Railway, Bristol Harbour Railway and Mid-Hants I think.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Oct 7, 2020 16:45:06 GMT
he mentions that 230 002 is the "first mainline battery train that's run in the UK", but again wouldn't this be true of the old BR BEMU that ran on the Royal Deeside Line, or more recently the "IPEMU" Class 379. . And the SR's MLVs could run on battery power. I read once that one of them actually provided a passenger shuttle between Dover Western Docks and priory when there was a power failure. Standing room only, of course! |
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Post by spsmiler on Oct 8, 2020 18:34:09 GMT
I am sure that battery trains were trialled here in the UK over 100 years ago - albeit without success.
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Post by bassmike on Oct 8, 2020 18:50:05 GMT
he mentions that 230 002 is the "first mainline battery train that's run in the UK", but again wouldn't this be true of the old BR BEMU that ran on the Royal Deeside Line, or more recently the "IPEMU" Class 379. . And the SR's MLVs could run on battery power. I read once that one of them actually provided a passenger shuttle between Dover Western Docks and priory when there was a power failure. Standing room only, of course! I S T R that two M L V's once hauled a train from Redhill to Tonbridge before the line was electrified. |
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Post by sweetp on Oct 9, 2020 0:52:52 GMT
I am sure that battery trains were trialled here in the UK over 100 years ago - albeit without success. Indeed, you could go back 178 years to Robert Davidson's demonstration of his "Galvani" battery loco between Edinburgh and Glasgow
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Post by alpinejohn on Oct 19, 2020 14:26:35 GMT
Looks like 230008 has finished local mileage accumulation runs and testing and is now heading for Wales ... www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/detailed/LNGMSTNI suspect YouTube will have some video of this move in due course. The sad fact remains that after all the rush to finish, it is probably going to be parked up in a depot for quite a while until TFW are able to organise training for adequate drivers and guards. Even an optimist will have doubts that these units will be carrying passengers this year. They are more likely to appear from one of the two timetable changes next year. In the meantime some Class 484 cars have been moving over to the new Southam factory for completion. |
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Post by alpinejohn on Oct 22, 2020 17:52:14 GMT
Well 230008 departed VivaRail Long Marston a day later that originally booked on realtimetrains for the move, but it has now joined the other two in North Wales.
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Post by spsmiler on Oct 22, 2020 19:05:01 GMT
Nice to see it in action - and moving at a fair whack!
Hopefully next year I'll be on one (or more) of them enjoying their second life.
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Post by pgb on Nov 19, 2020 12:19:19 GMT
First unit is booked on the 1400 & 1600 Portsmouth to Fishborne services today
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Post by DWS on Nov 19, 2020 13:42:27 GMT
First unit is booked on the 1400 & 1600 Portsmouth to Fishborne services today When they reach the Island, what is the unloading point ? |
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Post by castlebar on Nov 19, 2020 14:15:34 GMT
Why Fishbourne? That seems very odd
Fishbourne is never an ultimate destination yet less than a mile short of Chichester from the Portsmouth direction
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Post by DWS on Nov 19, 2020 14:42:09 GMT
Why Fishbourne? That seems very odd Fishbourne is never an ultimate destination yet less than a mile short of Chichester from the Portsmouth direction Why is it odd, the ship goes from Portsmouth to Fishbourne on Isle of Wight . |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Nov 19, 2020 15:49:37 GMT
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Post by castlebar on Nov 19, 2020 15:54:30 GMT
@ 'DWS'
It's odd because, being that this is a railway site, and Fishbourne is only a few miles from Portsmouth on the Portsmpouth - Brighton local RAIL service, it is natural to assume this is a final 'hand over run' before being taken to the island
As you mentioned neither "ship" nor the lsle of Wight, it is easy to fail to understand what you meant.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 19, 2020 17:05:51 GMT
An understandable misunderstanding, although as the word "service" was used this would have had to be a timetabled train and there is no 1400 or 1600 service to Fishbourne (Sussex) from either Portsmouth station. (The direct rail service leaves Portsmouth & Southsea at xx57).
The Portsmouth-Ryde ferry is passengers only - the vehicle ferry goes to Fishbourne, a few miles west of Ryde. Two services needed presumably because the ship can only manage one carriage at a time.
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