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Post by John Tuthill on Aug 7, 2020 19:30:45 GMT
It would be great to see one fitted, even if only as a concept trial - especially if the car involved retained its LU livery. A whimsical 'what might have been' if the Metropolitan had gone ahead with the Ganz system. I've always wondered what the junction wiring was like
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Post by alpinejohn on Aug 13, 2020 14:52:14 GMT
Realtime trains website shows another VivaRail move heading from Long Marston to Wales - www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K01223/2020-08-13/detailedThis is probably the second Transport For Wales(TFW) Class 230 set - 230007, which recently completed a long series of local test runs. Hopefully with two units on site TFW will still have enough time to arrange sufficient staff training on the Class 230 units to allow them to enter passenger service on the Borderlands Line from the December timetable change.
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Post by christopher125 on Aug 16, 2020 10:01:50 GMT
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Post by pgb on Aug 16, 2020 16:55:59 GMT
Hopefully with two units on site TFW will still have enough time to arrange sufficient staff training on the Class 230 units to allow them to enter passenger service on the Borderlands Line from the December timetable change. Two units may well be there, but they've got to do 2500 miles fault free running and pass a final inspection. That could take some time - so I very much wonder if December 2021 is achievable at this moment in time. I know that Chester sign Wrexham / Bidston and certainly the Guards at Shrewsbury do as well. That's two large depots that will need training on them.
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Post by philthetube on Aug 16, 2020 18:57:59 GMT
I would have thought they would have donr that already, it does not have to be done in the valleys, and would take forever on a short line
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Post by goldenarrow on Aug 20, 2020 10:24:28 GMT
Photos showing the Island Line units getting fitted out.
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Post by ted672 on Aug 20, 2020 13:46:31 GMT
I can't help thinking that the front view resembles a 4-SUB. I wonder where the mileage accumulation will be done as the short Island Line would give similar issues to the Valley Lines. Maybe these will be out and about on the Southern network, as was the standard stock back in the day.
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Post by Chris M on Aug 20, 2020 15:26:11 GMT
I believe the Brighton Main Line is the current favoured location when third rail units need mileage accumulation.
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Post by metman on Aug 20, 2020 17:34:11 GMT
Will these trains be OPO or crew control?
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Post by DWS on Aug 20, 2020 19:19:35 GMT
Will these trains be OPO or crew control? Driver and Conductor Guard .
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Post by Dstock7080 on Aug 20, 2020 20:29:48 GMT
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Post by bassmike on Aug 21, 2020 19:13:37 GMT
I think the Island line needs a bit more than just tamping.
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Post by Chris L on Aug 21, 2020 20:14:26 GMT
I think the Island line needs a bit more than just tamping. and that's why it's getting a lot more
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Post by DWS on Aug 21, 2020 22:12:26 GMT
No Island Line trains will run from 4 January until 31 March 2021 due to engineering works .
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Post by brigham on Aug 22, 2020 7:37:54 GMT
No Island Line trains will run from 4 January until 31 March 2021 due to engineering works . Is it expected that the ex-tube stock will NOT return to service after the occupation?
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Post by philthetube on Aug 22, 2020 9:28:07 GMT
I think that is a definite as platform heights are being changed and the tube stock will not be compatible.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Aug 22, 2020 10:00:28 GMT
If the service suspension is until March 31st, and 483s won't be able to run after the work is done, that suggests that 484s will be running in service on and from April 1st (Maundy Thursday).
And you have until Sunday January 3rd to ride a 483.
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Post by alpinejohn on Aug 23, 2020 7:51:35 GMT
I think that is a definite as platform heights are being changed and the tube stock will not be compatible. Are you sure about changing platform heights to suit the Class 484s? I would have thought it would be far cheaper to achieve any boarding height change by lowering the trackbed formation/ballast depth - rather than messing with the platforms with all the attendant impacts on attached buildings and access ramps. I suspect trackbed lowering plans may partially explain why they already have a tamper on site, as the Island Line certainly needs a lot of trackbed improvement work. I suspect the first area where that tamper will see action is to progressively sort out the several sections of very wobbly formation with existing speed restrictions. However ideally the whole line could do with end to end renovation - after all the Ryde-Shanklin section opened 156 years ago today! Given the substantial cost and hassle of bringing this sort of specialist kit over to the island, I suspect it may stay on the island for a prolonged period only returning after the shut-down works starting next January are complete. As work on the speed restricted track can only be done during overnight or weekend possessions it is obviously going to take a fair few weeks. Hence they can possibly use the machine during the week to make a start on reinstating the lifted passing loop tracks through the unused Brading station platform, even if the passing loop tracks are left unconnected until the closure next January. As the class 483 units are not using the spare platform at Brading, the missing passing loop tracks can be installed to suit the boarding heights of Class 484 units right now, along with any work needed to provide step free access to the second platform. The other Class 484 related challenge which the tamper may be needed to tackle is to lower the track bed to provide sufficient clearance under a road bridge near Brading however I assume that will not be possible during normal operations and is part of the work planned during the shut down starting in January.
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Post by bassmike on Aug 23, 2020 13:29:06 GMT
I think that is a definite as platform heights are being changed and the tube stock will not be compatible. They ran the East londop line with tube stock with high platforms for several years
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Post by t697 on Aug 23, 2020 14:22:55 GMT
I think that is a definite as platform heights are being changed and the tube stock will not be compatible. They ran the East londop line with tube stock with high platforms for several years But these days it would be logical to provide level access across the platform/train interface for DDA/RVAR compliance without needing boarding ramps and indeed for general user convenience, particularly as this is the IoW equivalent of a complete line modernisation.
I've never been on the Island line, are the platforms generally straight or near straight?
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Post by metman on Aug 23, 2020 15:10:08 GMT
Not at all. Only been once but Pier Head is straightish along with St Johns Road but Esplanade, Smallbrook, Brading all have Decent curves. Sandown, Lake and Shanklin have slight curves.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Aug 23, 2020 16:02:58 GMT
I think that is a definite as platform heights are being changed and the tube stock will not be compatible. Are you sure about changing platform heights to suit the Class 484s? I would have thought it would be far cheaper to achieve any boarding height change by lowering the trackbed formation/ballast depth - rather than messing with the platforms with all the attendant impacts on attached buildings and access ramps. That's probably what they'll do. The effective platform height will be increased, whether you raise the platform or lower the track bed.
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Post by Chris L on Aug 23, 2020 17:47:11 GMT
I think that is a definite as platform heights are being changed and the tube stock will not be compatible. They ran the East londop line with tube stock with high platforms for several years As has been proved on the Bakerloo line north of Queens Park you can't fit a ramp into Tube stock..
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Post by rincew1nd on Aug 23, 2020 19:30:01 GMT
They ran the East londop line with tube stock with high platforms for several years As has been proved on the Bakerloo line north of Queens Park you can't fit a ramp into Tube stock.. Surely that's only because the platforms are at a compromise height?
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Post by Tom on Aug 23, 2020 20:55:07 GMT
I think that is a definite as platform heights are being changed and the tube stock will not be compatible. Are you sure about changing platform heights to suit the Class 484s? I would have thought it would be far cheaper to achieve any boarding height change by lowering the trackbed formation/ballast depth - rather than messing with the platforms with all the attendant impacts on attached buildings and access ramps. I might well be wrong, but I do seem to remember there was a step down into a Class 483, at least at Sandown!
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Post by Chris L on Aug 23, 2020 21:10:45 GMT
As has been proved on the Bakerloo line north of Queens Park you can't fit a ramp into Tube stock.. Surely that's only because the platforms are at a compromise height? There is no way to get a wheelchair on or off a ramp inside the train when the drop from the platform is at a steep angle.
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Post by cudsn15 on Aug 23, 2020 21:47:04 GMT
You need a stepladder to get out at Harlesdon!
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Post by roythebus on Aug 24, 2020 22:36:25 GMT
According to report on various FB groups, the track has been lowered over 2 weekends under the bridges. There's also pictures of lots of new proper ballast being delivered on site by tipper trucks. Presumably this is the job of the tamping machine that has been taken over there. Track will be lowered through the platforms where possible.
It'll be interesting to see if they keep the semaphore signals at St.Johns Road.
My view is that 5x2 car sets may not be enough to cater for future summer peak services as there's mention of running 4 car sets, so that's both running "sets" with a 2 car as spare. Not much leeway there for any problems.
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Post by spsmiler on Aug 25, 2020 20:38:45 GMT
Roy, if that happens then maybe they will get an extra unit or two? That is, finance permitting!
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Post by 35b on Aug 25, 2020 20:53:47 GMT
Roy, if that happens then maybe they will get an extra unit or two? That is, finance permitting! I think that would be hoping!
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