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Post by superteacher on Apr 1, 2016 8:52:12 GMT
Hasn't it already been set in stone that the 72ts WILL break the record considering the title of this thread is "until 2030s"?? Also when the a stock was as old as the 72ts are currently (around 44 years), there didnt seem to be much fuss about the age of the units and how reliable they were etc, neither were any amendments made below the sole-bar at this age, whereas with the 72ts, there seems to be much more concern about them in general, despite the fact they don't even reach speeds anywhere near the a stock did The A stock had a much easier life than the 72's. Until the mid 80's, most A stocks sat around for large portions of the day due to the large disparity between peak and off peak services. This was even more so when uncoupling was practised. I think that the off peak requirement was 20 4 car units, meaning the equivalent of 10 8 car trains were out, with the other 50 or so with their feet up in the depot!
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Post by wimblephil on Apr 1, 2016 9:12:09 GMT
In regards to the refresh, I'm surprised the poles have remained brown, and the seat covers have been given a unique colouring... I thought the idea was that all Deep Level lines were to look the same from now on, hence why the Northern line refurb looks like a Vic-Pic hybrid! ??
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Post by A60stock on Apr 1, 2016 9:45:44 GMT
In regards to the refresh, I'm surprised the poles have remained brown, and the seat covers have been given a unique colouring... I thought the idea was that all Deep Level lines were to look the same from now on, hence why the Northern line refurb looks like a Vic-Pic hybrid! ?? Agreed, I am also surprised that the refurb wasn't done to match that done on the northern line? Additionally, will the Jubilee line/Piccadilly stock follow at any point?
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Post by patrickb on Apr 3, 2016 14:51:33 GMT
First unit to be refurbished is 3267-4267-4367-3367 Mark I Stock. As per the YouTube video.
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Post by A60stock on Apr 3, 2016 17:56:08 GMT
is the one in the video completely done? The one in the standard shows a more grey colour scheme, with a slight change to the lights by the doors?
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Post by patrickb on Apr 3, 2016 18:14:24 GMT
is the one in the video completely done? The one in the standard shows a more grey colour scheme, with a slight change to the lights by the doors? If you look closely, the image shown in the Standard with the grey colour scheme and new lighting is a 3D Mock-up photograph edit. Currently, no units have received the grey colour scheme as shown in many other photographs.
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Post by A60stock on Apr 3, 2016 18:26:41 GMT
personally, i think it actually looks better!
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Post by metman on Apr 3, 2016 19:52:32 GMT
First unit to be refurbished is 3267-4267-4367-3367 Mark I Stock. As per the YouTube video. The mark 1 units are having their Reavell compressors replaced with Westinghouse 3HC43 types. There are plenty of spare from the C And D stock. This marks the end of the Reavell TBC38Z in passenger service that first came into use on the A62 stock.
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Post by patrickb on Apr 3, 2016 21:00:08 GMT
First unit to be refurbished is 3267-4267-4367-3367 Mark I Stock. As per the YouTube video. The mark 1 units are having their Reavell compressors replaced with Westinghouse 3HC43 types. There are plenty of spare from the C And D stock. This marks the end of the Reavell TBC38Z in passenger service that first came into use on the A62 stock. Such a shame, I quite like the sounds of the Reavell compressors, hopefully they will keep few spares or donate some to the LTM for a future project. Yes they needed quite a few spare parts for the 72's and 73's.
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Post by towerman on Apr 8, 2016 11:29:53 GMT
Hasn't it already been set in stone that the 72ts WILL break the record considering the title of this thread is "until 2030s"?? Also when the a stock was as old as the 72ts are currently (around 44 years), there didnt seem to be much fuss about the age of the units and how reliable they were etc, neither were any amendments made below the sole-bar at this age, whereas with the 72ts, there seems to be much more concern about them in general, despite the fact they don't even reach speeds anywhere near the a stock did The A stock had a much easier life than the 72's. Until the mid 80's, most A stocks sat around for large portions of the day due to the large disparity between peak and off peak services. This was even more so when uncoupling was practised. I think that the off peak requirement was 20 4 car units, meaning the equivalent of 10 8 car trains were out, with the other 50 or so with their feet up in the depot! In those days they outstabled at Ricky & Uxbridge off peak.
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Post by spsmiler on Apr 9, 2016 0:21:56 GMT
Its a shame that there is not a railway version of the LVF (London Vehicle Finder) which makes it easy to locate there whereabouts of buses when they are in service.
I say this with finding the refurbished train in mind.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2016 14:56:26 GMT
Travelled on a refurb the other day and I have to say it's a bit disappointing: new flooring, new upholstery, and badly repainted poles where the paint is scratching away already. Everything else still looking scuffed, worn out and filthy, including the wooden inserts at the end of the seats. Is that it or is there more to do?
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Apr 10, 2016 15:51:41 GMT
Travelled on a refurb the other day and I have to say it's a bit disappointing: new flooring, new upholstery, and badly repainted poles where the paint is scratching away already. Everything else still looking scuffed, worn out and filthy, including the wooden inserts at the end of the seats. Is that it or is there more to do? Welcome to the forum @zappomatic! A bit of an introduction perhaps?
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Post by patrickb on Apr 10, 2016 16:22:27 GMT
Travelled on a refurb the other day and I have to say it's a bit disappointing: new flooring, new upholstery, and badly repainted poles where the paint is scratching away already. Everything else still looking scuffed, worn out and filthy, including the wooden inserts at the end of the seats. Is that it or is there more to do? That's because the refurbishment consists of an exterior and underfloor overhaul, the interiors are given a refresh to a similar degree as the 92TS refresh with exception of new flooring. However, aside from the seating and flooring, some panels and doors are covered with white sticky wallpaper as well. The grab poles are not being repainted. At the end of the day, interior cosmetic repair on trains that will have only several years left in service would be deemed wasteful or at least cost monies which can be allocated elsewhere. As long as the seats are clean and the floors are not a trip hazard, passengers will be happy.
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Post by snoggle on Jul 1, 2016 12:14:27 GMT
After months and months of purdah we now have TfL meetings restarting under the new Mayoralty. New TfL approval paper for the Bakerloo Line fleet refresh. Timetable to be reduced to take a train out of the run out to allow 2 trains to be worked on at once. This will also bring forward the completion date of the work. content.tfl.gov.uk/fpc-160708-14-bakerloo.pdf
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Post by paulsw2 on Jul 7, 2016 2:18:40 GMT
Looked like a 72 stock has been in Ealing Common for the last couple of days it's on the "alps" so couldn't confirm unit numbers
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2016 19:53:56 GMT
I saw 3565 on the way home today at Acton Town.
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Post by christopher125 on Jul 30, 2016 15:42:30 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2016 18:12:51 GMT
Nice find. Good to see the other projects getting a mention as well.
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Post by 315 on Aug 19, 2016 23:38:45 GMT
The article mentions 1972 stock crossing the Forth Railway Bridge. Are there any photos?
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Post by spsmiler on Aug 20, 2016 20:59:59 GMT
The article mentions 1972 stock crossing the Forth Railway Bridge. Are there any photos? Whaaat?? But thats near Edinburgh in Scotland! Are LU secretly planning to extend the Bakerloo up the WCML and to Inverness via Glasgow and Edinburgh? Simon
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Post by 315 on Aug 20, 2016 21:14:47 GMT
The article mentions 1972 stock crossing the Forth Railway Bridge. Are there any photos? Whaaat?? But thats near Edinburgh in Scotland! Are LU secretly planning to extend the Bakerloo up the WCML and to Inverness via Glasgow and Edinburgh? Simon Taken from the article; They last had major work in the mid-1990s when they were refurbished – an extensive visual modernisation whilst eliminating materials that were a fire hazard. For this work they were hauled over the National Rail network to the dockyard at Rosyth, which included travelling over the historic Forth Bridge
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Post by Rich32 on Aug 21, 2016 8:18:43 GMT
The article mentions 1972 stock crossing the Forth Railway Bridge. Are there any photos? Whaaat?? But thats near Edinburgh in Scotland! Are LU secretly planning to extend the Bakerloo up the WCML and to Inverness via Glasgow and Edinburgh? Simon They were refurbished in Rosyth Dockyard quite some years ago.
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Post by 100andthirty on Aug 21, 2016 8:18:44 GMT
The trains really did travel over the Forth Bridge. The original plan was that the trains would be refurbished by a consortium of Tickford and Vic Berry in a workshop adjacent to the Midland main line at Leicester. The Vic Berry organisation went bankrupt. At the time, Babcock had the management contract to run the dockyard at Rosyth and wanted to diversify. They were connected to the rail network and had sheds with track within. They proved to be the solution to an unexpected problem.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Aug 21, 2016 17:05:43 GMT
Whaaat?? But thats near Edinburgh in Scotland! Are LU secretly planning to extend the Bakerloo up the WCML and to Inverness via Glasgow and Edinburgh? Simon They were refurbished in Rosyth Dockyard quite some years ago. The trains really did travel over the Forth Bridge. The original plan was that the trains would be refurbished by a consortium of Tickford and Vic Berry in a workshop adjacent to the Midland main line at Leicester. The Vic Berry organisation went bankrupt. At the time, Babcock had the management contract to run the dockyard at Rosyth and wanted to diversify. They were connected to the rail network and had sheds with track within. They proved to be the solution to an unexpected problem. Checking back through UndergrounD News, the first 1972 Stock crossed the Forth Bridge on 27 October 1991, on its way to Rosyth.
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Post by crusty54 on Aug 21, 2016 17:37:21 GMT
Tickford were a successful offshoot of Aston Martin so somewhat above the likes of Vic Berry.
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Post by carltona on Oct 19, 2016 22:11:51 GMT
Tickford were a successful offshoot of Aston Martin so somewhat above the likes of Vic Berry. Tickford produced a 140mph version of the Ford Capri at one time. Babcock took over Tickford's Nuneaton based railway division which specialised in train interiors.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2016 20:04:46 GMT
I like the 72ts. It's quite a treat to go for a ride in them, which I do sometimes to go the the IMW at Elephant. Mind you, I'm a fan of heritage railways, so to have one operating on my doorstep... ;-) Agreed, I love how they feel like they are tugging when they depart!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2016 22:31:15 GMT
I got a feeling that the 1972's were less well made than the D-Stock on the District, The 1972's seem to have thinner metal construction underneath (or is that from the state of corrosion!!) than their D-Stock counterparts. It might have been more lightly built because it was a carbon copy of the Victoria Line's 1967's trains, which were designed for mostly tunnel running, protected from the weather most of the time. Perhaps someone who knows better could correct me on this point...
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Post by crusty54 on Dec 25, 2016 11:44:13 GMT
I got a feeling that the 1972's were less well made than the D-Stock on the District, The 1972's seem to have thinner metal construction underneath (or is that from the state of corrosion!!) than their D-Stock counterparts. It might have been more lightly built because it was a carbon copy of the Victoria Line's 1967's trains, which were designed for mostly tunnel running, protected from the weather most of the time. Perhaps someone who knows better could correct me on this point... Not so, they are well built but corrosion has hit them around the base of the doors. This is not just caused by water but also the mix of aluminium against steel. The frames on all trains have to be strong enough to withstand a collision.
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