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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2012 18:56:05 GMT
Jo: "Please stand back from my platform edge, the A Stock [sic] for Aldgate is now approaching and I don't want to make the driver grumpy" Some Wag in the crowd: "He's already grumpy cos he's driving an S Stock!" She actually said "My driver". My friend & I, both working in the railway family looked at each other and thought what a tool. I thought "her platform" and "my driver" was a bit over the top.
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Post by rincew1nd on Oct 2, 2012 19:09:19 GMT
Ahh, my bad. I blame the cheap gin I had with my wrap from Tesco for affecting my memory!
I thought she was fab, "enthusiasts" can be particularly tricky to deal with at times so well done to her.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2012 19:14:01 GMT
Methinks there may be more than one 'vocal lady' being bandied about...!
I was always careful when I was a member of platform staff not to refer to 'my platform' because it makes you sound like a total nonce. The other cheap gag in response was to ask the guys from Covent Garden 'how much for one of your platforms?'
Things like that stand, on a day like Saturday, need to be planned by someone who understands Aspergers Syndrome (disproportionately common and usually undiagnosed in railway enthusiasts), and the fact that for certain of the people in that scrum, making sure that they got themselves the purchase upon which they were fixated was going to remain at the top of their hierarchy of needs until they got it, at any cost! I believe it is the same logic that caused some people to decide to break rules because they really really had to have have that (absolutely average) shot of the train at Chesham or else their lives were not going to be complete.
A smaller range and insisting on cash only would have seen more people served. I pitched up, having reserved our large rack, with £125 in cash, ready. Rack one way, cash the other, done. NEXT!
I understand from the museum, incidentally, that luggage racks will be in plentiful supply at the weekend. They are out of 'full price' (ultrasonically cleaned and twice the price) ones at the moment, but the 'raw' ones are apparently not a problem. Don't all rush at once!
I must say alongside all the annoyance at Amersham, how touched I was to see one of the operating staff offer their spare wristband to a young lad just before we left Moorgate. For various reasons I think he elected to photograph the train instead (I think a few of us were willing him to see sense and take it!) but I was moved by the kind gesture. More than a few railway careers are owed to railwaymen who did a youngster a good turn!
Travelling on the Met yesterday I saw what I presume was our set 'over the back' at Neasden. Still hard to believe that no matter how long I wait at Harrow, I won't get a proper train into the city.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2012 21:03:21 GMT
I'd just like to echo everyone's great words regarding Saturdays tour. I started the day with the intention of taking as many photo's as possible but soon came overcome with the motion that this really was the end so I just wanted to take the atmosphere in, whether it was overhearing fellow passengers memories or just looking at items I've become well accustomed to over the last 25+ years I was in car A for the duration, member 3.1 sat next to me briefly at the start, the Ricky drivers piled in, we sang Happy Birthday, had 1 of the rostered drivers sit ajacent to me after he finished his stint, he received a big cheer upon entering the carriage, I even witnessed the said driver plus the final driver of the day signing autographs for a passenger in his tour book. Its all these things that made the day more memorble. For me, that blistering final run up from Finchley Road and hitting 74mph through Dollis Hill and those long blasts of the whistle (which will haunt me for a long time to come) was a fitting way to bring down the curtain on a magnificant 51 year career.
Got 2 poor quality videos from inside 5034 during the closing moments of the tour : -
- Running through Willesden Green - Hitting 74mph!
Sitting here 3 days on, still can't quite believe that they have finally gone, especially after the events on Saturday prove that they are much loved and they still have what it takes. Here's hoping we manage to to ride one of the RAT's on the Amersham heritage day in the not to distant future.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2012 21:47:09 GMT
I saw pictures and videos from the tour and last workings in passenger service. The A stock for me is THE best train in LU history. I think that it is a great shame that no museum can give one a home to do rail tours as these fantastic units have shone as work horses.
Being from Liverpool, I missed both the last working and tour, in fact the last time I went on an A stock was 13th July. I would like to compliment LU on the organisation of the tour. I certainly doubt that Merseyrail would organise such a send off for our 507/508's.
Well done all
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2012 23:34:20 GMT
Jo: Please stand back from my platform edge, the A Stock for Aldgate is now approaching and I don't want to make the driver grumpy Jo at Amersham I take it? She's brilliant! Done many a shift over the road (as it were) at Amersham while she's been on duty and she's superb. From a staff point of view she's an excellent CSA to have around. Things like that stand, on a day like Saturday, need to be planned by someone who understands Aspergers Syndrome (disproportionately common and usually undiagnosed in railway enthusiasts) That's one of those things I have always pondered. From my view point, I think it's what society deems as 'acceptable' or 'normal' that gets people tagged with such labels. Take football for example, people obsessed with shirt numbers, formation numbers, dates, fixtures, history and results, yet - as society thinks this is 'normal' you don't get labelled. Seems silly that anyone who is into anything just a little bit unconventional has to get collared with this kind of thing, it's a wide and diverse world so lots of people have different interests! Echo the posts, I know I've said this myself already but I can't get over the weekend either, completely shell shocked. I'll always remember my Met Main journeys on proper trains
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2012 0:43:04 GMT
I travelled in car A on the farewell tour, it was good to meet and chat with the lads sitting towards the rear of the car during the afternoon, sat next to fellow forum member tubelightonline (he of the D78 blind in homemade blind box !)
Very apt for me that the tour started at Moorgate as I used to work there and use the A Stock to and from home every day. Glad to have been on this tour, shall always remember it and like others am finding it hard to believe the A Stock is no more, felt quite subdued and reflective when the tour was over.
Well done to all who helped organise it, it was a great day.
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Post by tubelightonline on Oct 3, 2012 5:13:19 GMT
I travelled in car A on the farewell tour, it was good to meet and chat with the lads sitting towards the rear of the car during the afternoon, sat next to fellow forum member tubelightonline (he of the D78 blind in homemade blind box !) My pleasure! (For the record, I'm apparently headed in the direction of Acton Town if the blind is to be believed!) I was interested to see that the driver mentioned in my earlier post turned out to be SquareWheels - that's a claim to fame!
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Post by allan60 on Oct 3, 2012 17:53:45 GMT
So did anybody buy anything during the tour, depite the very long waiting line? I only bought a small luggage rack and a line diagram due to the large crowds. I will buy other things at action this weekend.
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Post by rincew1nd on Oct 3, 2012 18:43:21 GMT
I wanted to look at the Brake Gauges and Speedo, but couldn't see any. I heard a rumour that no-one had bothered to bring them!
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Post by allan60 on Oct 3, 2012 18:55:13 GMT
I wanted to look at the Brake Gauges and Speedo, but couldn't see any. I heard a rumour that no-one had bothered to bring them! Yeah I was looking them as well but couldn't find them, so i will have to see if they have any at acton this weekend.
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Post by motorman on Oct 3, 2012 19:47:14 GMT
Family and work comitments prevented me from participating in the A Stock farewells last Wednesday and Saturday, although my thoughts very much with what was going on. I would like to thank everyone who has pasted photos on the forum as that has enable one to very much feel part of the proceedings. I made my personal farewell on the 29th June aboard 5231 the last unit built. 5034 was at the other end of the train. Whilst not perhaps the smoothest of trains the design was forward looking and did not look dated in the latest LU corporate livery. If there was ever a train suited to the line it served the A Stock would certainly be at the very top of the list. 74mpn through Dollis Hill - gosh that does bring memories from when the A Stock was in its prime. They will never be forgotton having served for over half a century. For that reason alone a working example needs to be preserved. Are there any concrete plans or ..............? Thanks again chaps for all the photos
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2012 20:26:38 GMT
Here are a couple more photos taken from the bridge at Amersham last Saturday XF
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Post by metman on Oct 3, 2012 20:43:43 GMT
Both RAT units (5234 and 5110) will be maintained but not preserved as such. They may be used for railtours from 2014. We need to put pressure on now to ensure this happens.
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Post by prjb on Oct 3, 2012 21:36:42 GMT
I was very pleased to be able to board 20+ retired Railwaymen at Rickmansworth (one in a wheelchair) and that was by far and away the highlight for me. My father, a former Ricky driver, was one of them. Thank you. :-) THC The pleasure really was all mine, I was genuinely proud to have been able to facilitate that happening. At the end of the day, just before the train stabled, the official Cameraman spoke to me and said that he had no idea that there was an industry left that still behaved like a family. He hit the nail on the head, retired or not - we are all Railwaymen.
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Post by prjb on Oct 3, 2012 21:39:09 GMT
I thoroughly enjoyed Saturday (apart from my grandfather almost not making it back to the train in time once). Was he the gentleman at Chesham who had the walking stick? If it was he was a bit rattled but I managed to get him back on board and even in the right car!
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Post by prjb on Oct 3, 2012 21:41:07 GMT
prjb, could you give me a small hint who you were on the tour, I feel sure when 'Detonator Dave' was telling the story of 'The Gas Fridge' you were the guy standing up with us. No that was not me, it was a colleague who was also a driver at Baker Street. We were talking about it in the office today actually.
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Post by prjb on Oct 3, 2012 21:42:52 GMT
A big yes, but not the person I was thinking of. I was the chap daydreaming at Moorgate when he opened the doors to let the LTM staff in. He smiled and gave me the benefit of the doubt. ;D Yes, thats me in the photo! Not sure if I was talking to the Driver or banging my head against the train after dealing with the silliness at Chesham!!
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Post by prjb on Oct 3, 2012 21:46:36 GMT
I must say alongside all the annoyance at Amersham, how touched I was to see one of the operating staff offer their spare wristband to a young lad just before we left Moorgate. For various reasons I think he elected to photograph the train instead (I think a few of us were willing him to see sense and take it!) but I was moved by the kind gesture. More than a few railway careers are owed to railwaymen who did a youngster a good turn! I had a spare one and thought he might like it, as you say it doesn't harm to do a good turn. I think his Gran was the lady who had trainers made out of old 'A' Stock Moquette!! As it happens I was able to give the wristband to 'Detonator Dave' later in the day so it all worked out alright in the end.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2012 22:31:49 GMT
Evenin' All!
I just wanted to add my two penneth and say what an enjoyable/emotional experience I had on Saturday. I've only ridden on the Met line as a passenger- now 33, I grew up and still live around Pinner/Eastcote and my earliest memories are riding the unrefurbished A stock with my Grandfather into London and my Mother into Uxbridge (to be dragged around the shops which was pretty awful!). In my twenties and beyond I would ride the A stock into town for drinks at the weekend and finally, in the final months of the A stock, I resigned from a local job to one in Baker Street, where come home time I would lurk around the platform waiting for an A stock to arrive in between the S's.
I think what has made the situation harder, is that I never expected the trains to be replaced! They seemed so fit for purpose that I assumed they would be refurbed again and go on forever! The IOW railway proves that the old Underground trains are built to last, if looked after. In my mind, I cannot see the S stock reaching 50, nor can I see a huge turn out for their farewell! It was quite touching to see the number of people on the final run, but also on about 95% of the stations we passed there were people taking photographs and videos. The A stock clearly touched many people over their 50 years.
Sorry I am going on- I blame this on my third cocktail! My main reason for posting was to ask does anybody know for definite if a complete heritage train will be preserved? Shoving one motor car in Acton where it can be seen and gather dust is all very well but I had hoped and assumed an operational set of A stock would be retained for special weekends etc. Knowing that there may be future events has helped make the end of the A stock bearable.
Sorry again to go on!
Best regards to all,
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Post by metman on Oct 3, 2012 22:48:46 GMT
See post #493.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2012 7:53:22 GMT
Reading these posts, I'm beginning to regret not going to the Farewell Tour. Sounds like it was a really emotional occasion. It really could be that there is more feeling for the A stock than there was for the 1938 stock, Q stock or any other fondly-remembered London Underground train. To say I'll miss the A stock is a colossal understatement.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2012 8:20:18 GMT
Without the 74mph run at the end and if there were no detonators at Wembley, it wouldn't have been anywhere near as emotional as it was. The high speed run showed to everyone the old girl still had it in her and also the last minute decision on using detonators showed that the staff put in the effort to give a good send off.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2012 9:11:46 GMT
That's one of those things I have always pondered. From my view point, I think it's what society deems as 'acceptable' or 'normal' that gets people tagged with such labels. Take football for example, people obsessed with shirt numbers, formation numbers, dates, fixtures, history and results, yet - as society thinks this is 'normal' you don't get labelled. Seems silly that anyone who is into anything just a little bit unconventional has to get collared with this kind of thing, it's a wide and diverse world so lots of people have different interests! I would object to my pregnant wife (or anyone else for that matter!) being manhandled out of the way by a queue-jumper at a football turnstile or a Sainsburys checkout just as much as I did when people did it on Saturday. It's just that I understand why some of them are the way they are! Doesn't make it right - but yeah, you do make certain allowances. Some societal norms are fine to challenge or break - being interested (very extensively if you like) in railways is an example. I would defend that with my life! Others, like common courtesy and keeping you and others safe, have less latitude and justifiably so. 90% of the outlandish behaviour I see around the railway I understand even if I don't share it, but sometimes it is correct to say 'No'. Echo the comments about the railway family. Saturday was one of those days when the outside world got to see what we are about. I do hope the video footage reaches a wide audience - wider than just we who love trains ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2012 17:29:54 GMT
Was he the gentleman at Chesham who had the walking stick? If it was he was a bit rattled but I managed to get him back on board and even in the right car! That's the one. I can't thank you enough for helping him back. It was one of those awkward situations. We both left the train at Chesham and split up. I saw the queue for the toilets and I did think at the time that it would be difficult for everybody to make a visit and return in time. I walked down the south end of the platform and back up to the north end before returning to coach B in good time thinking that he would be waiting for me but unfortunately that was of course not the case.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2012 17:31:29 GMT
They seemed so fit for purpose that I assumed they would be refurbed again and go on forever! I'd go along with that 100%. The A stock were amazingly fit for purpose, a throwback to a time common sense prevailed, as well as people who had pride in designing and developing things! I cannot see the S stock reaching 50, nor can I see a huge turn out for their farewell! This made me smile! I'd agree really strongly with this as well! The S stock really are horrible - nasty uncomfortable plastic lined tin cans on wheels that don't feel like a 'real' train. Very poor show. Sorry I am going on- I blame this on my third cocktail! Ah, don't worry about that! ;D I would object to my pregnant wife (or anyone else for that matter!) being manhandled out of the way by a queue-jumper at a football turnstile or a Sainsburys checkout just as much as I did when people did it on Saturday. It's just that I understand why some of them are the way they are! Doesn't make it right - but yeah, you do make certain allowances. Yes, I know what you mean, I suppose what I was getting at before is that a lot of the time people are tarred with the same brush (especially our interest - the 'anorak' stereotype etc), but this stall on Saturday does sound a bit much, glad I wasn't there for that bit
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Post by rincew1nd on Oct 4, 2012 17:49:01 GMT
It was one of those awkward situations. We both left the train at Chesham and split up. I saw the queue for the toilets and I did think at the time that it would be difficult for everybody to make a visit and return in time. I walked down the south end of the platform and back up to the north end before returning to coach B in good time thinking that he would be waiting for me but unfortunately that was of course not the case. When we got to Chesham our car steward asked us all to alight as he too needed to visit the facilities. After the Acme Thunderer blew (an inspired decision whoever brought that) we all queued outside our car door with the steward nowhere in sight. A worried looking prjb appeared, and as I gestured towards the butterfly cock I was given a nod. Am I the last passenger to molest an A Stock in such a manner?
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Post by citysig on Oct 4, 2012 18:10:31 GMT
All this rush at Chesham - and I'd re-arranged things so the train sat there for an additional 2-3 minutes (and it arrived early). I wonder how rushed things would've been had you had the booked time. I would imagine several people would have been left to sample S-stocks to leave Chesham ;D
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Post by rincew1nd on Oct 4, 2012 18:14:56 GMT
At the risk of repeating myself: All together now: [8]We love you MetControl an if it's quite alright, we love you MetControl...[/8]
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Post by metrider on Oct 4, 2012 18:31:28 GMT
....When we got to Chesham our car steward asked us all to alight as he too needed to visit the facilities. After the Acme Thunderer blew (an inspired decision whoever brought that) we all queued outside our car door with the steward nowhere in sight. A worried looking prjb appeared, and as I gestured towards the butterfly cock I was given a nod..... I did wonder if our stewards colleague was playing a practical joke by passing him a cup of posh coffee before we set off. I'd be surprised if the facilities of any station could handle a full trainload of uncomfortable passengers in the time that we had to stopover. I was a little worried that the train was about to go without us ....I think I shouted towards the front of the train "We can't get on!" or something similar... I wonder how long it would have been before we were missed. Would we have had to get the bus to Amersham? Might have had a better chance to visit the memorabilia stall however
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