xrail depots

Crossrail trains will be stabled at Old Oak Common in the west and Ilford in the east. In the east the intention is to run trains over the existing Liverpool St Shenfield section from May 2017 before the central section opens in 2018

trains will also be stabled between Plumstead and Abbey Wood in new sidings

why would it be logical ? Not, I hope, because their routes both pass through Farringdon and they both traverse through central London ? Other than that, there will be no physical link between the two routes so I'm at a loss to see how such a franchise could work, the competition issues of a single operator running 1/5th of the entire network notwithstanding !

@northerncityman - actually, I agree with you, there's no obvious point in a singleTLK/XR franchise. (If I had been clever enough, I would have printed the word"may" in my last post in italics....) The interchange at Farringdon is important but not that important; operationally, there is no necessary connexion between the two.

The plan is to subcontract the Greenford branch to Chiltern probably. Of course with HS2 due to run through Greenford low level things could be a bit more complicated around there. A bay would be installed at West Ealing apparently, which would mean having to change there for Paddington etc.

North Pole will be used for IEP i believe.

Chris

In my day despite staffing by Eastern region staff. the ticket machines Rapid/Mini printers were maintained by LT staff.

As well as the Shenfield Metro services Greater Anglia also run trains to Southend Victoria and Norwich through Stratford most of which stop at Shenfield which would explain why they are considering not transfering the staff at those two stations over to TfL. They also run a service up to Stanstead.

Prior to the Jubilee Line opening there was only BR/FGE staff and a load of Silverlink train crew and if LUL staff were needed they would come up from Mile End or Leyton. After May 1999 when LUL took over management of the station we had LUL, Silverlink and FGE staff working the various platforms and just before I left to work on the Trains there were DLR staff turning up as well. All jolly good fun.

Did I hear at one point they were to build a new depot at Abbey Wood?

As far as I know, TfL staff passes will be valid on Crossrail services.

I've recently been told that Shenfield will not be transferring, and Stratford will.

Yes, all staff at Stratford, including platforms 9 and 10 will become TfL.

With any luck this may lead to having a few less managers around...

For example at the moment there are supervisory roles for 4 different company's available, Greater Anglia, London Underground, London Overground and DLR. Surely that is the sort of thing McNulty should be targeting and not front line staff, but that's a whole new thread....

Managers or supervisors?

If I understand you are suggesting that all the station staff at Stratford will be Crossrail employees. I think that highly unlikely as while they will be trained for mainline working I doubt if they will be trained for LUL or DLR. Plus I believe that London Overground still has a train crew office where the crews book on and off so they will still have their supervisors running things.

When I was a Stratford about ten years ago a passenger wanted to complain about the clerk working in the FGE ticket office and demanded I call the “manager”. The LUL station supervisor obviously had no authority over the clerk so I called up the FGE supervisor up on Platform 6 who informed me that he was only responsible for the platform staff and that the clerk’s direct boss was at Liverpool Street. Confusing…

Hmm, back when I was at Stratford you could see the entire station from the LUL control room next to the Western Concourse/Jubilee Line but that was before the new DLR platforms replaced old Platform 4, since when they’ve moved Silverlink/LO over the back of the station and opened up the Westfield side so I suppose things have changed.

Before the JLE the station was run by FGE who provided the staff that sold the tickets and worked the platforms. In addition there were the Silverlink drivers, guards and their "managers" (I'll ask my mate on LO what their actual title is) based there. If you wanted DLR you had to press the button on the help-point as they ran everything from the control room in Poplar and monitored the platform on CCTV. If they needed LUL staff they had to come up from Leyton or Mile End as FGE staff weren’t trained or licenced to carry out our procedures.

When LUL took over running the show they brought in their own staff but the FGE ticket seller had to stay as the LUL ticket machines couldn’t sell the range of tickets required as a mainline station. The LUL staff weren’t trained to work with mainline services so the FGE maintained their presence up on Platform 6. The Silverlink/LO Train Crew were still there because Stratford was and is still a booking on point, the “managers” are there primarily to organise and do the admin for the staff under them rather than for customer service purposes. After a few years DLR sent up staff to cover the peaks as Platform 4 was getting dangerously overcrowded.

While the majority of staff will work indirectly for TfL they will all be working for different operators and be working under different licences because the individual operators aren’t going to pay for extra training so their staff can work on someone else’s railway. Transfering the management of the station to Crossrail will simply mean that you either replace or transfer the mainline licenced staff, they still won’t have the necessary licences to carry out duties on LUL or the DLR and they won’t remove the need for LO Train crews and their “managers”.

As for LUL Station Supers being called Station Managers on the Jubilee I’ve never heard of that; when did that come?

Well back in the day when I was working Stratford (1999-2003) everybody at Stratford. LUL, FGE, Silverlink and DLR, were on the LUL radio net and it worked smoothly so what has happened after 7/7 seems to be a retrograde step. If you say that LUL staff on the barrier have no radios that seems insane. How long have you worked at Stratford?