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Post by jimini on Mar 29, 2008 20:58:21 GMT
Evening all,
It started to appear on the info boards on the DLR this past week, that the Bank / Monument complex will be split from this Monday 31st March. I was just wondering if anyone had any more info on exactly what work is being undertaken? They've finished the four escalators leading between the central line and the DLR, so I'm assuming they're cracking on with the two banks that link the northern line / DLR end of Bank station to the District platforms at Monument?
Also, is there any reason why they're completely removing the interchange options, rather than doing what they've done previously by having the functioning escalator going up and making people heading down use the static stairs in between the escalators? This (stopping folk moving between the two staitons) may not be the case (correct me if I'm wrong!) but the info screens were advertising the fact that this would be the case...
Best,
Jim.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2008 21:09:11 GMT
I gather they're working on a whole bunch of escalators at once, rather than spreading the work out and doing one at a time. This is why they're removing the interchange options (Northern<>DLR excepted); the station would become dangerously congested otherwise. They are apparently having to change the current walking routes around the station as well, and the majority will apparently be one way. There's a .pdf file of the leaflet on the TfL site. |
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Post by jimini on Mar 29, 2008 21:28:52 GMT
Ah, marvellous. All my questions answered in one post! Thanks undergroundgal! I've not seen any of those leaflets being dished out, or on display in the complex, or on routes leading to the affected area. I wonder how many unsuspecting members of the public (aka cattle) will find themselves in an odd predicament on Monday morning?!
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Post by Tomcakes on Mar 29, 2008 21:32:49 GMT
Forgive me if I'm being a bit thick, but wouldn't it just be possible to exit from the station from (say) the Central line, then re-enter to go to (say) the Northern?
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Post by suncloud on Mar 29, 2008 21:53:05 GMT
I would think so... But they're obviously trying to discourage it. I'd have thought Central to Northern would be fine to retain anyway and Central to W&C.
However my old trick of walking through to Monument when the Northern was Up the wall (for London Bridge) might not be possible.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2008 22:02:45 GMT
Forgive me if I'm being a bit thick, but wouldn't it just be possible to exit from the station from (say) the Central line, then re-enter to go to (say) the Northern? Possibly, I can't actually answer that from the information I have. I assume that they wish to get passenger numbers down in general due to the reduced space and one-way system so, even if this is possible, they may not wish to advertise the fact particularly. I'm also not sure how PAYG would work in that situation, I believe it's been mentioned in another topic that Bank/Monument is one of the ones were you can interchange and exit, but I'm not positive on that. Obviously if one has a travelcard instead there's not so much of a problem. |
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Post by jimini on Mar 29, 2008 23:47:54 GMT
As an addendum to this thread -- given the fact that this work is going to last for at least a year (according the the TfL leaflet), will they amend the DVA on the district and circle lines, so they don't announce the interchange options whilst the work is ongoing? Similarly with the ones on the Central and Northern lines?
Thankfully, Miss Soulless on the DLR simply states: "Change for London Underground services", therefore no need to change that one on the basis of a technicality ;D
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Post by Rich32 on Mar 30, 2008 6:34:17 GMT
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Post by railtechnician on Mar 30, 2008 7:35:18 GMT
I would think so... But they're obviously trying to discourage it. I'd have thought Central to Northern would be fine to retain anyway and Central to W&C. However my old trick of walking through to Monument when the Northern was Up the wall (for London Bridge) might not be possible. You can do the same at street level! Not a big difference I would've thought though I can't recall having not worked there since they cut Monument vertically in half during the buiding of the DLR tunnels. |
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Post by suncloud on Mar 30, 2008 7:49:22 GMT
Of course, I did do that if I knew there was going to be no service. I usually would use the Northern line to get from Bank to London Bridge, however on occasion I'd arrive and the platform would be full and the DMI's would show next train in 10 minutes, so I'd just walk on through.
Noting that diamondgeezer is talking about the previous phase of works...
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Post by 21146 on Mar 30, 2008 10:02:23 GMT
Aren't they replacing/renovating the *newest* escalators? i.e. the ones put in for the DLR extension in 1991? 16-year lifespan? LT escalators used to do 50 years...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2008 11:16:34 GMT
Aren't they replacing/renovating the *newest* escalators? i.e. the ones put in for the DLR extension in 1991? 16-year lifespan? LT escalators used to do 50 years... As far as I was aware it is planned to widen the passageways to the DLR as part of the 3 car program. Whether this is being done in this closure I don't know, but I read somewhere recently that the whole of Bank DLR is closing for a year from late 2008. Is this the case? |
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Post by cetacean on Mar 30, 2008 13:22:31 GMT
You're probably thinking of Tower Gateway, which closes in June. Never heard anything about passageway widening before.
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Post by smee on May 22, 2008 23:34:44 GMT
Hi There, I'm a bit late to the thread (again!) and you've probably all been to Bank and back already now!
Main difference at the moment is that you have to enter the DLR from the stairs off the Northern platforms. The escalators between Monument and DLR are being replaced and the opposite escalators (DLR to Bank) are on UP only - taking people from DLR to Bank.
Whether the escalators are working or not it's far nicer - and faster to walk overground between Bank and Monument anyway. And whatever way you enter the station it's a bit of a trek to the DLR as it's right at the bottom!
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Post by astock5000 on May 23, 2008 15:48:52 GMT
Bank DLR is closing for a year from late 2008. Is this the case? No, but it will close for a week or two at the end of 2009, just before the 3 car trains start running from there to Lewisham. |
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Post by stanmorek on Sept 8, 2008 21:52:08 GMT
Aren't they replacing/renovating the *newest* escalators? i.e. the ones put in for the DLR extension in 1991? 16-year lifespan? LT escalators used to do 50 years... Speaking to someone from the L&E department, the expected life of the escalators was 10 years due to some cock up. So they are "happy" they've lasted this long. |
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Post by Chris M on Sept 8, 2008 22:41:18 GMT
From what I've read elsewhere, the escalators to the DLR were commissioned using the DLR's philosophy of build it cheap, replace/expand later if necessary. This was also used as a sort of trial to see whether escalators of a lower spec than LU have traditionally used would be suitable for use elsewhere in the future.
The results of the trial are obviously that escalators of this spec are not suitable.
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Post by stanmorek on Sept 9, 2008 17:24:20 GMT
As the L & E version goes the original contractor's spec was for light duty escalators. Eventually a compromise design with LU requirements was installed.
At the moment the DLR escalators 13/14 have been completely stripped including removal of the machine chamber structures. The new escalators are being brougt in modules via engineering trains winched up the shaft and assembled on site.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2008 19:27:50 GMT
is there interhcange on any lines now @ bank/monuments stations, ie between the waterloo & city line & the nothern line etc?
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Post by Chris M on Sept 13, 2008 22:29:23 GMT
I interchanged between the Northern and DLR this evening without any problems - although the direct access from the bottom of the stairs at the Monument end of the Northern Line platforms to DLR platform 9 (departures) was closed, the diversion was simply via the interchange passage between platforms 9 and 10.
This is the one interchange though that has never been advertised as not being available.
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Post by suncloud on Sept 13, 2008 23:43:00 GMT
I think most interchanges are available, but are discouraged as a number involve walking along the Northern Line platforms....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2008 19:52:14 GMT
Is Bank/Monument the most complex station on the underground or is that Kings Cross/St Pancras?
I remember in the 1990s just after the DLR was extended to Bank, the walk from Monument to the Waterloo & City line was down some escalators, along a corridor past the DLR, up an esculator, turn right, along a corridor then left along another corridor, up a staircase to the Central line platforms then up an wooden esculator, through some barriers and down a travelator. It was a long walk back then.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2008 12:16:08 GMT
The W&C platforms are actually nearer to both Cannon Street and Mansion House stations than Monument. Unfortunately there is no direct entrance allowing a shorter walk from one of those stations. Although there will be in five years as they are planning to build one as part of a redevelopment in the area around the Temple of Mithras. If it will all still happen given the current economic climate, but they are currently in the process of demolishing Bucklersbury House for it. There is a map of how Bank and Momument station connects in the TfL booklet though: www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/bank-and-monument-stations-upgrade-work.pdf |
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Post by Ben on Sept 30, 2008 8:15:21 GMT
Does anyone know where the jubilee line station at Cannon Street/Bank would have fitted in on this map? From what I have seen it would have been somewhere between Monument and Cannon Street, but on a small scale map the room for error is large. Also, where would its interchange passages have passed?
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Post by amershamsi on Sept 30, 2008 14:34:27 GMT
Does anyone know where the jubilee line station at Cannon Street/Bank would have fitted in on this map? From what I have seen it would have been somewhere between Monument and Cannon Street, but on a small scale map the room for error is large. Also, where would its interchange passages have passed? Imagine if Lines D (Hackney GE routes to Victoria via the Strand), F (a mainline size Fleet line) and G (Fenchurch Street-Waterloo crossrail line) had been built. You'd have two lines cross-platforming (F and G) where the Jubilee would have been, plus another set of platforms (at a guess under the Central lines ones) for line D. I want to know what's up with the Central line and W&C being exactly the same level - was a junction planned? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2008 8:00:35 GMT
Why are there barriers between the Waterloo & City and other lines at Bank/Monument?
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Post by Ben on Oct 2, 2008 8:48:42 GMT
Amershamsi: Might have been an attempt to prevent the W&C from expanding. As far as I know though, the only planned junction of any line with the W&C was near Waterloo with the Bakerloo. If this had happened, its worth speculating that the W&C might indeed today have been run with spare 72ts, as was mooted a while back.
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Post by cetacean on Oct 2, 2008 9:23:08 GMT
Zoe: There aren't. The barriers are between the W&C and the ticket hall, although they've been installed at the platform end of the passageway where there's more space. There's a behind barrier route to the right of the barriers that gets you to all lines, although it's not properly drawn on the leaflet.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2008 9:28:49 GMT
Zoe: There aren't. The barriers are between the W&C and the ticket hall, although they've been installed at the platform end of the passageway where there's more space. There's a behind barrier route to the right of the barriers that gets you to all lines, although it's not properly drawn on the leaflet. I thought for some reason there were barriers in the Waterloo & City to DLR corridor and also if you go up the travelator and turn right and try to go round that way you run into more barriers just before the elevators? |
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Post by cetacean on Oct 2, 2008 11:29:40 GMT
I thought for some reason there were barriers in the Waterloo & City to DLR corridor No, it's ungated. You're going through the ticket hall that way. Before you get to the travelator there's a set of barriers, so you're outside the gated area when you're on the travelator. The next set of barriers by the lifts are to get back in. If you take the DLR corridor from the W&C, go down one escalator and turn left, you end up at the foot of those lifts (by the Northern Line) without encountering any barriers. (I think the configuration may have been different a few years ago) |
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