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Post by castlebar on Apr 13, 2012 6:16:54 GMT
"I wonder what precludes TfL from hiring locomotives to shunt the C' Stock to the scrap yard? "
@ antje > > > The cost
In this dotty, privatised railway world, it is cheaper to send railway vehicles by road than via national rail tracks.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2012 15:44:18 GMT
Most NR related scrap moves are moved by rail. The slammers for example were moved by rail as far as I know.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2012 19:28:07 GMT
The original 5606-6606, withdrawn 31/1/91 - Hammersmith to Ruislip - both cars (between L52-B583-B584-L53) 18/5/93. Indeed. I remember watching the formation pass Westbourne Park, that night - post-traffic hours. |
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Post by metman on Apr 19, 2012 6:44:39 GMT
Will S7 stock be delivered to Neasden for comissioning? I guess trains can then move under their own power to Hammersmith etc.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2012 14:21:56 GMT
Will S7 stock be delivered to Neasden for comissioning? I guess trains can then move under their own power to Hammersmith etc. Probably |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2012 16:22:23 GMT
Is 5595 visible from a public place in Acton Works, does anyone know?
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Post by a60 on Apr 24, 2012 20:40:19 GMT
We're all waiting for prjb to make a return for his opinion on the C69/77/08 stock withdrawals, where are you these days prjb?  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2012 6:06:15 GMT
Will S7 stock be delivered to Neasden for comissioning? I guess trains can then move under their own power to Hammersmith etc. Yes. |
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Post by allan60 on Apr 28, 2012 17:30:10 GMT
so has the first S7 been built then as it entered assembly line a few months ago, I believe?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2012 19:57:27 GMT
I was told a couple of days ago that the first genuine S7 "is on its own wheels". ..... at Derby.
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Post by Chris M on May 2, 2012 20:27:50 GMT
Is the plan still for 3 in passenger service before the olympics or did the S8 issues around Christmas impact this?
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Post by superteacher on May 2, 2012 20:48:19 GMT
Is the plan still for 3 in passenger service before the olympics or did the S8 issues around Christmas impact this? If this is still the plan, time is ticking. Willl they use S8-1's, or pure S7's? If they are using pure S7's, none have yet been delivered. Are any planned to be delivered before the S8 run ends? Then of course there is driver training etc. To be honest, I don't see the point of trying to get 3 S7's in service by the Olympics just for the sake of it. The cnances of getting one in service will be remote, meaning that most visitors won't see one! |
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Post by d7666 on May 3, 2012 19:07:24 GMT
To be honest, I don't see the point of trying to get 3 S7's in service by the Olympics "the point" was having more trains available for service during the period. Hammersmith & Circle is limited to C stock - or S7 - and since there is a finite quantity of C stock the *only* other means to more trains is S7, so S7 it has to be, be it genuine S7 or S8-1. -- Nick |
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Post by metman on May 3, 2012 21:09:27 GMT
Agreed the C stock fleet is tight. Not like the A stock on the Met which had an extra 6 or so trains following the ELL closure.
It is interesting to consider if S8-1 trains would be used rather than waiting for S7 stock to be ready -which is a little time off.
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Post by astock5000 on May 3, 2012 23:52:10 GMT
Agreed the C stock fleet is tight. Not like the A stock on the Met which had an extra 6 or so trains following the ELL closure. It is interesting to consider if S8-1 trains would be used rather than waiting for S7 stock to be ready -which is a little time off. It seems possible as there are three S8-1s in London, but will the Met need these units back soon? Looking at the allocation lists posted in the A stock formations thread, there appears to be a higher percentage of available A stock in service than S stock. That doesn't necessarily mean anything, as that could've only been the case on those days, but if there are still a few issues with some S stock units would the Met be able to run the full service with a fleet of only 53 trains (assuming that 21001 and 21099 don't arrive soon either)? |
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Post by Ben on May 4, 2012 2:49:49 GMT
One wonders whether any of this was actually considered before it was decided that the A stock just *had* to go in time for the olympics. Am I alone in thinking its image above practicallity?
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Post by metman on May 4, 2012 8:27:45 GMT
Well exactly! I liked the plan of delivering the first 40 S8 trains and then begin to deliver S7 for the Olympics. Image is important so why not add/replace the C stock that actually run near Stratford!
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Post by cso on May 4, 2012 12:39:43 GMT
I'm not convinced that running the S8-1s in passenger service is necessarily a good idea... you might find the commuters on the Circle / Hammersmith and City line actually like them!
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Post by metman on May 4, 2012 12:43:08 GMT
What with the extra seats? Ha ha! You never know. It'll be a cry back to the pre-refurb days when the C69/77 stock had mostly transverse seating!
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Post by jardine01 on May 4, 2012 18:02:18 GMT
Is there any S7 stocks in service yet? I can't see them being out for the olympics.
The C stock is not a good image really with paint chipped off stains on the doors.
The A stock is not in the best condition but they are allot better than the C's in my opinion and I am sure many others will agree too
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Post by Chris W on May 4, 2012 18:20:03 GMT
Only S8 out on the Metropolitan....
S7s are for testing purposes only (remember that they are S8 units with one car removed).
The real S7s will soon be out as the axe will soon start to fall on C69/77s if the S-stock delivery process continues immediately after the last of the S8s are delivered...
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2012 10:33:07 GMT
Where will the C69/77/08's be sent for scrap? Northwood siding or Acton works?
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Post by metman on May 14, 2012 16:14:09 GMT
I think Acton will be used in the same way the 67ts was disposed of.
Not sure about the contractor but this may be kept under wraps for obvious reasons.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2012 11:55:55 GMT
Could the C stock not be taken out by rail from Neasden Depot? It would be very efficient to send them out as 8 or even 12 car sets, if Booths won the scrapping contract.
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Post by metman on May 15, 2012 15:52:49 GMT
I'm not sure if they are in gauge either. There are only an inch narrower than the A stock and have deep solebars. I'm really not sure what the deal is. But you are right, it would be easier to do 8 or 10 cars at a time.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2012 19:10:39 GMT
I'm not sure if they are in gauge either. There are only an inch narrower than the A stock and have deep solebars. I'm really not sure what the deal is. But you are right, it would be easier to do 8 or 10 cars at a time. Thanks metman. The widths as on the TfL site. A stock 9ft 8in (2.95m) C stock 9ft 7in (2.92m) D stock 9ft 4.25in (2.85m) S stock 9ft 7in (2.92m) Looking at the the specs I am taken back to see the extra weight difference of the S stocks. An S8 is 26.96 tonnes heavier than an 8 car A stock. An S7 is 58.7 tonnes heavier than a C stock (C stock a shorter train) and a massive 69.7 tonnes heavier than a D stock (with no middle cab, the most common type) Also an S8 is 7.4 tonnes heavier than even an 8 car Q35 clunker. |
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Post by metman on May 15, 2012 21:56:28 GMT
Ahh remember the Q31/35 were built from lightweight construction with the trailers on 22 tonnes each roughly. Compare the S stock to the O/P stock with 3 tonne Metadyne machines - they had regenerative braking too.....
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Post by Ben on May 15, 2012 21:58:09 GMT
The analogy was made elsewhere a while back that if cars had followed the same trend as trains for weight and power consumption, the average Ford Fiesta would now weigh 7 tonnes and do 3mpg.
7.4 tonnes greater than a Q35... that really does put it into perspective.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2012 7:08:07 GMT
What on earth makes an S stock so heavy?! The interiors are mainly plastic and most of the business end of things are computers!
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Post by a60 on May 16, 2012 8:21:39 GMT
The air-con units add the bulk of extra weight to the S Stock. And the fact that most cars are motorised.
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