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Post by redsetter on Dec 23, 2011 18:04:20 GMT
the type of construction looks to be key to this and the type of finish,its going to have like a dlr type aspect.
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Post by roythebus on Dec 27, 2011 10:20:25 GMT
Sorry I've been of the scene for a while, but when I was a guard at Ricky in 1973, they were planning the Croxley link then, and it was to be completed by 1976!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2012 22:00:03 GMT
I think it is great that this link is finally happening, only some 20 years late.
As for Watford Met I can't see the justification for it to stay open long term, the same as the Jubilee platform at Charring Cross closed or more recently the weekday closure of Olympia.
If they did keep it open for passengers a shuttle to Chesham could be an interesting option. Would finally give a Watford to Ricky connection.
I am sure there are may options once they finally get the link built.
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Post by causton on Jan 1, 2012 23:30:20 GMT
Indeed - a Watford or Watford Junction - Chesham shuttle would be quite useful, depending on how much Chesham users really like the through train to London
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Post by superteacher on Jan 1, 2012 23:53:01 GMT
I really cannot see Watford Met staying open. Operationally, it would be difficult to run a service there.
Can't see Chesham folk being too happy about a service from there to either Watford station to be honest.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2012 13:35:10 GMT
I really cannot see Watford Met staying open. Operationally, it would be difficult to run a service there. Can't see Chesham folk being too happy about a service from there to either Watford station to be honest. Well, I'd be quite happy with a Watford Junction to Chesham shuttle service, but that's just me. Maybe, as part of the planning process for new services, LU shoud try asking people what they would prefer? Can't meet all aspirations but a transparent and communicative process would be the way to go.
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Post by castlebar on Jan 3, 2012 13:51:51 GMT
@ Metliner. . You said "Maybe, as part of the planning process for new services, LU shoud try asking people what they would prefer? Can't meet all aspirations but a transparent and communicative process would be the way to go". > > Don't be silly. They've never asked people before. They expect people to get (and gratefully accept) what they're given, and won't change the habits of 90 years.
How dare pax ask for an interchange at Park Royal!!! How dare pax/workers in Northolt, Greenford and Perivale want to go to Hiilingdon and Uxb where they actually live/work, rather than W Ruislip!!! Whatever is the world coming to?? How dare people in Uxb and Hillingdon want an easy Central Line journey to White city!!! Once people get asked what they want, it sets a precedent. They cannot let that happen.
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Post by melikepie on Jan 15, 2012 21:55:09 GMT
I know I just mentioned it in the mistaken post but if this has not been mentioned here, Watford West will not reopen, with the new Watford Hospital station being opened on a new site near to the old Watford Stadium station
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2012 22:31:41 GMT
I know I just mentioned it in the mistaken post but if this has not been mentioned here, Watford West will not reopen, with the new Watford Hospital station being opened on a new site near to the old Watford Stadium station I posted the link to the Croxley Link homepage www.croxleyraillink.com/ a while ago. Some of the documents on that site did still show Watford West station. This station will not re-open as it located on a gradient and as I understand it therefore therefore does not comply with the current safety regulations. Ascot Road (near the old Croxley Green station) and Watford Health Campus will be the new stations. The latter is better suited for serving the Watford Vicarage Road football ground a well, so the Watford Stadium station will not be re-opened. XF
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Post by trt on Jan 16, 2012 16:10:58 GMT
Having looked at the new plans & sections document of the TWAO submission, I can't see what the problem with Watford West's gradient could be! The proposed new station of the hospital is on more of a slope. I've a sneaking feeling that it's more to do with the fact that the plans for the health campus indicate a possible station location where the proposed campus footprint goes over the line, at roughly position 90 on sheet 4 of the plans and sections. To build a station there, where the river Colne has a branch and the land is marshy, would be much more expensive.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2012 12:31:00 GMT
TWAO submitted. Objectors now have 4 weeks to object. Why can't all projects be this quick?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2012 12:48:03 GMT
TWAO submitted. Objectors now have 4 weeks to object. Why can't all projects be this quick? This is the only quick bit of the project so far @23 years and counting! XF
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Post by trt on Feb 2, 2012 14:44:39 GMT
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Post by Ben on Feb 2, 2012 15:03:38 GMT
The illustrative masterplan doesn't look quite right for the link... its as though they recon the formation needs only to be 12 feet wide by the access road The road looks to be just to the south of the formation of the Colne loop spur (is that what is was called?). Not smart building a research lab on the site of the depot, what with sidings being lost all over the system yet an increase in total number of trains. Aand, pray, if the Bakerloo is ever extended north or south where will its stabling provision be?? Croxley Depot seemed to be the only site available near anywhere the Bloo might find accessible. All in all, another win
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2012 17:56:38 GMT
The illustrative masterplan doesn't look quite right for the link... its as though they recon the formation needs only to be 12 feet wide by the access road The road looks to be just to the south of the formation of the Colne loop spur (is that what is was called?). Not smart building a research lab on the site of the depot, what with sidings being lost all over the system yet an increase in total number of trains. and, pray, if the Bakerloo is ever extended north or south where will its stabling provision be?? Croxley Depot seemed to be the only site available near anywhere the Bloo might find accessible. All in all, another win The Croxley Depot site has not been built on as yet; it is basically a builder's yard at present. I too have concerns as to where the trains are going to be stabled however when I queried this at one of the public exhibitions I was informed that there would be additional siding provision at Neasden! XF
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Post by trt on Feb 2, 2012 18:06:40 GMT
Yeah. I noticed, too, that the Ebury Way cycle route doesn't even warrant an entrance into the new Health Campus. So much for the "healthy lifestyle choices" ethos of the development - they could easily have fitted in some platforms where that Ebury Way junction is, with pedestrian and cycle access directly into the campus. I wonder if the Croxley Rail Link plans include the retaining wall needed for that lake? I'll just have a look. [EDIT] www.croxleyraillink.com/consultation/publications/public-information-release-november-2011.aspxSheet 4. Oops. No, it doesn't. Very different documents. Hmmm...
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Post by mrjrt on Feb 2, 2012 19:34:37 GMT
Interesting, I'd never seen those plans before, and they're quite old. One might argue that that the proposed road cements the case for a Cardiff Road station, giving access to WFC from the south rather than one on Vicarage Road, which would then make West Watford viable.
The loss of the depot site is a minor issue I guess, after all, there are the disused lands at Watford Junction if need be, or you just reinstate a short length of the Ebury Way line to a new depot site. I suspect the only real advantage is that the Wiggenhall site would be a brown field development, so much easier. No, I think the bigger loss will be the removal of the option to reinstate the southern curve.
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Post by castlebar on Feb 2, 2012 19:43:54 GMT
"Brown field development" is no longer the easy option as it once was. This applies everywhere throughout England now. Elf N, Safety has got on the case, and found it a good way of spending money that is otherwise unavailable. Proposed Brownfield Landbuild has to be tested for all sorts of things (which they always seem to find if they look hard enough), and then the decontamination process begins at great expense. Mercury always seems to be there for some reason, and who knows what else. Even in times of great financial restraint, money now has to be found for this circus, even on land where the intention is to tarmac the lot over and turn it into a car park, so any toxics would be under 6ft of concrete. All contaminated soil has to be taken away, decontaminated, etc, etc, etc.
Still it's keeping people in employment, and the apparatchiks happy..
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Post by Ben on Feb 2, 2012 20:49:06 GMT
Don't *think* it would remove the option to reinstate the southern curve; or at least it wouldn't make the works required any more comprehensive or expensive than any required at the moment to do so.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2012 21:48:26 GMT
I too have concerns as to where the trains are going to be stabled Would 4 trains being out-stabled at the site of (the former) Watford Station be sufficient for this extension?
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Post by mrjrt on Feb 2, 2012 22:26:35 GMT
Don't *think* it would remove the option to reinstate the southern curve; or at least it wouldn't make the works required any more comprehensive or expensive than any required at the moment to do so. I took another look, and yes, you're quite right. I was clearly mistaken. The bridge over the railway would probably need to accommodate the western junction though, so that might be the limiting factor. I'd like to see it built long enough for 4 tracks regardless though.
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Post by trt on Feb 3, 2012 10:18:41 GMT
There still are four, and a bay for a fifth that is occupied by signalling gear.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2012 11:57:36 GMT
There still are four, and a bay for a fifth that is occupied by signalling gear. I think you are referring to Watford Junction here rather than Watford Met. XF
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Post by trt on Feb 3, 2012 12:04:06 GMT
Eh? There was a post here saying about having 2 lower height Bakerloo platforms and 2 standard height Metropolitan/LOROL platforms at Watford Junction. Someone must have deleted it.
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Post by mrjrt on Feb 3, 2012 13:17:45 GMT
Eh? There was a post here saying about having 2 lower height Bakerloo platforms and 2 standard height Metropolitan/LOROL platforms at Watford Junction. Someone must have deleted it. ...the trick is to always quote it
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2012 14:34:34 GMT
I too have concerns as to where the trains are going to be stabled Would 4 trains being out-stabled at the site of (the former) Watford Station be sufficient for this extension? Seeing mention of sufficient trains I can't recall seeing any mention of whether extra trains will be needed to ensure that the Watford branch service maintains its present 15 minute off peak service. It seems likely that the extra mileage will require extra units unless the timetable is amended to rob the trains needed from other branches of the Met line service. Maybe Uxbridge only every ten minutes o.p.?! Maybe the alternative is to reduce the now generous layover time at the present Watford Met station although an allowance will need to be made in the event of conflicting moves where the branch joins the DC delaying the Met service
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Post by Ben on Feb 3, 2012 16:41:19 GMT
58 trains of S8s is the same total number as that ordered of A60/62 stock back in the late 50's; draw from that whatever conclusions you will about service provision.
However, I believe that one extra train is being financed by Herts CC as part of the scheme. So 59 S8s total.
The Uxbridge branch is 6tph anyway off peak. Least I'm fairly certain it is! Though from experience a 15 min wait off peak isn't too uncommon, if you arrive just as the train is pulling away.
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Post by mrjrt on Feb 4, 2012 0:31:59 GMT
However, I believe that one extra train is being financed by Herts CC as part of the scheme. So 59 S8s total. I can confirm this, yes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2012 17:07:07 GMT
The Uxbridge branch is 6tph anyway off peak. Least I'm fairly certain it is! Though from experience a 15 min wait off peak isn't too uncommon, if you arrive just as the train is pulling away. Since the new timetable, it's 8tph to Uxbridge. At least that's what the timetable says!
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