s stock deliveries stopped

oh - what was issues?

yeah and also doors well i think

Oh dear oh dear!

On the subject of picking up the juice, which cars have shoes? Would all cars having shoes be of benefit to negate gapping problems?

Oh dear oh dear.

This really is not good news for Tfl.

Hundreds of millions spent on new trains and the problems get that bad they have to actually stop deliveries.

Lets hope these issues are sorted out sooner rather than later...

And that's a real result isn't it?

It's not good news in any sense. How can it be? We're talking about time, money and possibly jobs being lost as well as increasingly unreliable old stock having to bashed about into trying to cope even further beyond their sell by date.

I'm as nostalgic as the next man on this forum for the old stuff but I wish only the best for future developments. I want them to succeed. To do otherwise is churlish IMHO.

Really?

Is there actually going to be a delay now in the S stock delivery?

Alight, whilst I totally understand what you're getting at, and most unfortunately, enthusiasts like us represent a very tiny proportion of the paying passengers on LUL, most of whom couldn't give a flying frying pan (let alone tell the difference between) what they're travelling in as long as it's on time and not too unpleasant an experience.

It's not good news to delay the introduction of more advanced, cooler trains to a sweaty cauldron of a system. The District Line is appalling to use underground in the summer for this reason alone. It makes financial sense to replace D Stock on the same ticket and with a similar design as A Stock and C Stock. Bulk purchase economics.

I hope the problems are resolved soon (as I'm sure they will be) and it all gets back on track. And best of luck to those implementing the project. Respect.

On The Isle Of Wight, the stock gets nowhere near the hammering it did on LUL. I can remember travelling on Standard Stock there when a child. It was bone shakingly terrible, just like the old Standard carriages they had on the Woodford-Hainault shuttle at one time. A 38 on the IOW is, in comparison to the previous Standard Stock, what an S Stock is in relation to a D Stock to my way of thinking.

The delay will be minimal I suspect, two or three weeks perhaps.

anything that keeps that lego train from appearing has to be welcomed.

Including massive equipment failures due to 'maintenance errors'?

Or it was sabotage, like the guards sabotaging the guard-to-driver phone using a pencil.

Build quality really has decreased over the years... What's next? 83TS actually having a better build quality than EVO and S stock?

Sounds like you went on a 377/5, oh wait where we're they built again......

As much as I don't like the S stock they are the future. I'm sure when the A stock came in people felt the same way but that shouldn't hold us back from progress. As pointed out the S stock and it's air con will provide a better jounery for a lot of people.

Just be glad it doesn't look like the Indian version of the Movia stock!

What does that look like? No seats at all?

I agree with you there, however old doesn't necessarily equate to 'worst'. To replace things purely because they are old is as fickle as replacing a car because you don't like its colour. If the age leads to other issues though...



where does this information come from, please? Last board report I checked, they still werent the least reliable (MDBF) stock. Though not directly related to cost, its worth noting that the regular maintenence cycle came to an end a while back and a number have been disposed. Both of these points will have a significant effect on the 'cost' that can be claimed per car, unit, and total. One wonders how much maintenence costs would have 'spiralled' if the fleet wasn't in the process of being withdrawn.

Though I'm not saying anyone is out-and-out incorrect, I just think its a convenient way to combine facts to justify their replacement...




Because they were undergoing/had just undergone an expensive and comprehensive refurbishment so sucessful that even some regulars of the line were convinced they had actually got new trains. 5 years before that though, it was realised there were many years left to gain from them ecconomically.