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Post by edwardfox on May 20, 2011 17:23:32 GMT
Not impressed.
Save the A60's.
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Post by den on May 20, 2011 17:56:05 GMT
YEAH SAVE THE A60s!!! That way we can all roast in the summer heat while standing up in a cramped area because the seats that there are have been taken in a matter of seconds. Need I mention being flung up in the air to add to the A60 experience.
The A60s have served their purpose, but are no longer suitable in a modern day environment.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2011 18:23:16 GMT
Why didn't you not like it?
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Post by prjb on May 20, 2011 18:32:35 GMT
I am slowly crunching my way through the A60's, their days are numbered my friends. Mwahahaha!!  |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2011 18:35:32 GMT
I am slowly crunching my way through the A60's, their days are numbered my friends. Mwahahaha!! Maybe we should get rid of your beloved C stocks first  @ed, why don't you like them? I find them very nice, and quite an upgrade! |
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Post by Chris M on May 20, 2011 18:52:51 GMT
I am slowly crunching my way through the A60's, their days are numbered my friends. Mwahahaha!! Maybe we should get rid of your beloved C stocks first ! Well as I understand the current plans, the first C will go before the last A... |
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Post by younglulnerd on May 20, 2011 19:14:01 GMT
I am slowly crunching my way through the A60's, their days are numbered my friends. Mwahahaha!! Maybe we should get rid of your beloved C stocks first @ed, why don't you like them? I find them very nice, and quite an upgrade! Sounds good by my ears  (seriously, i dislike the C stock) |
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Post by prjb on May 20, 2011 20:38:27 GMT
I am slowly crunching my way through the A60's, their days are numbered my friends. Mwahahaha!! Maybe we should get rid of your beloved C stocks first @ed, why don't you like them? I find them very nice, and quite an upgrade!  Well, there's no need to be rude! ;D |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2011 20:40:17 GMT
Maybe we should get rid of your beloved C stocks first @ed, why don't you like them? I find them very nice, and quite an upgrade! Well, there's no need to be rude! ;D Oooooh the irony. |
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Post by prjb on May 20, 2011 20:40:20 GMT
Maybe we should get rid of your beloved C stocks first ! Well as I understand the current plans, the first C will go before the last A... Not likely. Possible, but not likely. Things change pretty quickly in upgrades. Especially when it comes to keeping my beloved 'C' Stock around for a bit longer! |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2011 22:08:38 GMT
S8's are not suitable for Amersham - Baker Street style journeys
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Post by edwardfox on May 21, 2011 10:04:10 GMT
Why didn't you not like it? Uncomfortable ride. Slowed down very noticeably going through each non-stop station before speeding up again. See no reason for walkthrough design - noisy conversations in adjacent cars Never reached the speeds normally experienced on the A60 despite the longish ride |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2011 10:10:10 GMT
So I may assume that a lot of what you didn't like was due to speed which is not only dictated by the train type but also by signalling (train ahead), driver etc.
Having used 378s, U and S-bahn in Berlin and Cologne, I prefer through trains for commuter routes. Greater capacity is single biggest benefit.
As to seat comfort, not having sat on the seats I can't comment. But I know air-con is a lot more comfortable in summer (I compare 377 (fresh) and 319 (oven) on the Thameslink route).
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2011 10:32:20 GMT
The S8s are capped in performance and speed to match A stock for obvious reasons!
Walkthrough IMO is great. The seats are nothing to moan about, and the ride is so much smoother than A stock.
That's my take on them!
Wait until CBTC to roll out before you make any judgements on speed!
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Post by malcolmffc on May 21, 2011 11:11:16 GMT
The S8s are fantastic - I can't wait until all the SSLs are using them. I often wonder just how long the A-stock loving refuseniks think their beloved trains can carry on - 75 years? 150? At some point, they've got to go. May as well be now whilst there's still budget for improving the tube, because it looks like there won't be anymore for a long, long time...
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Post by citysig on May 21, 2011 12:36:09 GMT
Uncomfortable ride. Slowed down very noticeably going through each non-stop station before speeding up again. See no reason for walkthrough design - noisy conversations in adjacent cars Never reached the speeds normally experienced on the A60 despite the longish ride Apart from the uncomfortable ride in your opinion, might I suggest that the remaining problems with your journey may not have been the train's fault. Yes the train's performance is capped, but they are able to run at normal line speed. I think that on this occasion the train was slow as it was in a queue. |
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Post by prjb on May 21, 2011 15:55:31 GMT
Really? I travelled up to Wembley Park on an 'A' stock yesterday and couldn't use my iPad because of the ride. I then travelled down to Aldgate and back on an 'S' Stock (which was out of service and on test) and had no issues. I think even the most dedicated 'A' stock fan would not dispute the ride quality of an 'S'. Slowed down very noticeably going through each non-stop station before speeding up again. Not stock related in any shape way or form and had you been on an 'A' stock the same would have happened as this appears to be service related. See no reason for walkthrough design - noisy conversations in adjacent cars Again, really? Improved flexibility for customer movement, increase in standing space (1.1 billion customers last year etc), better in terms of security, better in event of emergency, the list could go on... Never reached the speeds normally experienced on the A60 despite the longish ride Finally, really? Unless you had a Speedo in your pocket I am not sure how you could judge. It is notoriously difficult to estimate train speeds when looking sideways out of windows. In addition, that improved ride that you didn't notice masks a lot of the speed too. Even if it was going slower, that wouldn't be down to the stock as previously explained. |
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Post by prjb on May 21, 2011 15:59:06 GMT
S8's are not suitable for Amersham - Baker Street style journeys Apart from the fact thats exactly what they were designed to do of course…  |
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Post by prjb on May 21, 2011 16:01:45 GMT
The S8s are fantastic - I can't wait until all the SSLs are using them. I often wonder just how long the A-stock loving refuseniks think their beloved trains can carry on - 75 years? 150? At some point, they've got to go. May as well be now whilst there's still budget for improving the tube, because it looks like there won't be anymore for a long, long time... I quite like you! Spare a thought for those 'A' Stock enthusiasts though. I will be expecting a spare thought back from them when it is time to scrap the SSR Premier Fleet ('C' Stock). ;D |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2011 16:18:59 GMT
S8's are not suitable for Amersham - Baker Street style journeys Apart from the fact thats exactly what they were designed to do of course… OK, I'll bite Really? They weren't designed as a one-size-fits-all compromise between something for C-stock style urban journeys and longer Amersham to Baker Street ones? Hypothetical question - if your design brief had been only for an A-stock replacement rather than for the whole SSL what would you have done differently? |
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Post by Ben on May 21, 2011 16:43:41 GMT
Thought it was?... The ones for the rest of the SSL were going to have all longetudinal seating, weren't they? The ride quality is far better, at times it seems as though its not moving when it is. In fact I find that uncomfortable I wonder how quickly it will deteriorate though. Will the small wheels play a part? How will they look and feel after 15 years abuse? The comparison atm is between something worn out and something new; its naturally going to be in the news favour. If the seating receives enough complaints, say, in the next 10 years, along the same lines as those received before it the fleet was constructed, what are the chances it might be changed at some point in the future? |
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Post by rincew1nd on May 21, 2011 16:50:30 GMT
I will be expecting a spare thought back from them when it is time to scrap the SSR Premier Fleet ('C' Stock). ;D Premier? They've not got luggage racks! Am still after one for my hallway! |
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Post by version3point1 on May 21, 2011 16:57:08 GMT
What fool decided that the first four sets of doors should be cut out should there be a door irregularity? I can understand maybe two sets, considering where the train draws up sometimes, but a whole four sets? Please – and then you're not given enough time to get down the train past everybody else to get off, as I have experienced on two separate occasions now.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2011 17:06:45 GMT
Door irregularity? Far from the term!
Such would be a wrong-side opening with CSDE switched on, or a pilot light given with doors open.
I have a feeling you mean a driver stopping outside of the CSDE zone?
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Post by 1018509 on May 21, 2011 18:27:41 GMT
Deleted. Cocked up posting quote.
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Post by 1018509 on May 21, 2011 18:36:05 GMT
Deleted. Cocked up posting quote.
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Post by 1018509 on May 21, 2011 18:39:50 GMT
What fool decided that the first four sets of doors should be cut out should there be a door irregularity? I can understand maybe two sets, considering where the train draws up sometimes, but a whole four sets? Please – and then you're not given enough time to get down the train past everybody else to get off, as I have experienced on two separate occasions now. Did you operste the red handle for passenger emergency use? If not - why not? It was an emergency - you wanted to get off. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2011 18:42:46 GMT
What fool decided that the first four sets of doors should be cut out should there be a door irregularity? I can understand maybe two sets, considering where the train draws up sometimes, but a whole four sets? Please – and then you're not given enough time to get down the train past everybody else to get off, as I have experienced on two separate occasions now. Did you operste the red handle for passenger emergency use? If not - why not? It was an emergency - you wanted to get off. There is a 'delete' button above your posts you know! It'd be questionable whether the delays caused by operating the PEA would be justifiable, and hence then the penalty for operating it... |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2011 19:56:56 GMT
Who's bashing walkthrough? Walkthrough is the best thing. It's annoying they make the 09ts like that.
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Post by retep on May 21, 2011 20:51:15 GMT
The S8s are capped in performance and speed to match A stock for obvious reasons! Walkthrough IMO is great. The seats are nothing to moan about, and the ride is so much smoother than A stock. That's my take on them! Wait until CBTC to roll out before you make any judgements on speed! I agree, those who complain about the s stocks seats should try the seats on class 378. |
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