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Post by jardine01 on Mar 5, 2011 20:59:11 GMT
Does anybody know what the speed limits on the central line are in the tunnel sections? Thanks
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2011 21:09:14 GMT
Does anybody know what the speed limits on the central line are in the tunnel sections? Thanks Depends how close you are to the train in front. Speeds are progressively reduced as you approach so that you get a target speed of zero a block before where the next train is.
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Post by jardine01 on Mar 5, 2011 21:56:18 GMT
i guess about 40-50mph in the tunnels am i correct?
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Post by Tom on Mar 5, 2011 23:54:48 GMT
I should know this (having once compiled a conversion chart from the codes to the speeds). Maximum ATP code available in the tunnel areas is Code 8 - which is around 75km/h or 45mph.
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Post by underground2010 on Mar 6, 2011 13:38:59 GMT
I believe the line speed is 45-50 mph through most sections of the Underground part.
Between Liverpool Street and St Pauls is about 20-25mph still I think.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2011 14:15:39 GMT
I believe the line speed is 45-50 mph through most sections of the Underground part. Between Liverpool Street and St Pauls is about 20-25mph still I think. That would explain why it feels like it takes forever and a week through that section!
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Post by underground2010 on Mar 6, 2011 16:31:44 GMT
Yeah, pretty much lol. The tunnels only just avoid the volts in the Bank of England.
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Post by Ben on Mar 6, 2011 16:35:48 GMT
Do they though? I get the impression that theres quite a bit of myth involved in that, as both stories seem to propagate
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2011 16:37:18 GMT
Do they though? I get the impression that theres quite a bit of myth involved in that, as both stories seem to propagate Never heard this 'other story' that you mention!
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Post by underground2010 on Mar 6, 2011 16:40:13 GMT
Do they though? I get the impression that theres quite a bit of myth involved in that, as both stories seem to propagate I had a Drivers Eye View video of the Central line years ago and during the approach to Bank, it showed 20mph on the speedo and Peter Middleton (Narrator) mentioned the tunnels just miss the volts, hence the slow speed and sharp curves.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2011 16:52:51 GMT
The sharp curves of the tunnels east of Bank avoid the vaults. It is in the right area most certainly.
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Post by underground2010 on Mar 6, 2011 16:55:55 GMT
The sharp curves of the tunnels east of Bank avoid the vaults. It is in the right area most certainly. Yeah. I'm pretty sure if you was down at the volts, you could cleary hear the rattle and squeeks of the trains as they pass. Ear muffs needed?
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Post by plasmid on Mar 6, 2011 16:57:11 GMT
The Vaults of the Bank of England may be a factor but I thought the main reason for the tight curvature was because the Central Line was built on a budget. So to avoid paying large bills by tunneling underneath buildings the line followed the roads instead...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2011 16:57:28 GMT
Well, bearing in mind there is going to be some earth insulation, and I wouldn't imagine in a million years that the vault walls would be thin..
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Post by underground2010 on Mar 6, 2011 17:13:25 GMT
I don't know what the budget on the building of the line was, but I can't imagine they'd just follow the roads? All I know is it just misses the volts and that it's refered to as the 'S' bend and has a limit of 20-25mph. Quite interesting really when you look into the history of how the lines were built. Like the Circle, Hammersmith & City and Metropolitan lines around the Farringdon area was done by 'Cut and cover'
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2011 17:32:55 GMT
All of the underground sections of the SSL are built using cut-and-cover from what I know...
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Post by auxsetreq on Mar 6, 2011 17:42:52 GMT
Maximum speed allowed in the tunnels sections is 65kph, or just a tad over to take into account any little overspeeds. When ATP was first put in, some tunnel sections, notably on the loop showed 100kph, though never realised as the trains were not as then souped up.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2011 18:51:47 GMT
I assume some are using "volts" and "vaults" to mean the same thing?? (Although they ain't!)
U2010 - they did just follow the road to avoid the expense of any lawsuits for property damage at that time.
[nitpick] Central Line DEV was produced by Peter Middleton but narrated by Rob Curling. [/nitpick]
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2011 19:22:34 GMT
I assume some are using "volts" and "vaults" to mean the same thing?? (Although they ain't!) U2010 - they did just follow the road to avoid the expense of any lawsuits for property damage at that time. [nitpick] Central Line DEV was produced by Peter Middleton but narrated by Rob Curling. [/nitpick] The government gave free wayleave under the roads, whereas you would have to pay to tunnel under people's buildings. Indeed vaults and 'volts' appear to be used to mean the same thing, despite the latter being a measure of potential difference. ;D
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Post by phillw48 on Mar 6, 2011 19:23:03 GMT
The original eastern terminus of the Central was Liverpool Street. The line does indeed follow the lines of the streets above, this was to avoid the payment of 'wayleave'. The Central runs beneath Threadneedle Street along the southern side of the bank. The Northern runs along the western side of the bank beneath Prince's Street.
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Post by tubeprune on Mar 6, 2011 19:31:54 GMT
The original eastern terminus of the Central was Liverpool Street. The line does indeed follow the lines of the streets above, this was to avoid the payment of 'wayleave'. The Central runs beneath Threadneedle Street along the southern side of the bank. The Northern runs along the western side of the bank beneath Prince's Street. [pedant]The original terminus of the Central London Railway was Bank. It was extended to Liverpool Street in 1912.[/pedant]
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2011 19:32:41 GMT
The original eastern terminus of the Central was Liverpool Street. The line does indeed follow the lines of the streets above, this was to avoid the payment of 'wayleave'. The Central runs beneath Threadneedle Street along the southern side of the bank. The Northern runs along the western side of the bank beneath Prince's Street. It was originally Shepherd's Bush to Bank... www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/corporate/modesoftransport/tube/linefacts/?line=centralEDIT: It appears that Tubeprune beat me to it.
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Post by phillw48 on Mar 6, 2011 21:07:51 GMT
The original eastern terminus of the Central was Liverpool Street. The line does indeed follow the lines of the streets above, this was to avoid the payment of 'wayleave'. The Central runs beneath Threadneedle Street along the southern side of the bank. The Northern runs along the western side of the bank beneath Prince's Street. It was originally Shepherd's Bush to Bank... www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/corporate/modesoftransport/tube/linefacts/?line=centralEDIT: It appears that Tubeprune beat me to it. I had written Bank, and then changed it to Liverpool Street.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2011 21:11:20 GMT
I had written Bank, and then changed it to Liverpool Street. Senior moment ;D [/cheek]
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Post by norbitonflyer on Mar 6, 2011 22:02:57 GMT
All of the underground sections of the SSL are built using cut-and-cover from what I know... I understand that a tunnel on the Watford branch was built using tube technology - as of course was part of the ELL! But what's this got to do with the Central Line? That sharp curve in the station at Bank - was it there before the Liverpool Street extension, or did the alignment of the extension make the sharp curve necessary?
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Post by superteacher on Mar 6, 2011 22:52:29 GMT
All of the underground sections of the SSL are built using cut-and-cover from what I know... I understand that a tunnel on the Watford branch was built using tube technology - as of course was part of the ELL! But what's this got to do with the Central Line? That sharp curve in the station at Bank - was it there before the Liverpool Street extension, or did the alignment of the extension make the sharp curve necessary? No it was always there.
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Post by phillw48 on Mar 6, 2011 22:57:04 GMT
The alignment made the curve necessary. I have some maps dating from 1944 that show all of the rail tunnels and other service tunnels in the City of London. Strangely there was a more eastward route that would not have required such a severe curve.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2011 23:33:44 GMT
The alignment made the curve necessary. I have some maps dating from 1944 that show all of the rail tunnels and other service tunnels in the City of London. Strangely there was a more eastward route that would not have required such a severe curve. But would likely have put the alignment totally out for Liverpool Street and following station, and resulted in a sharper curve there!
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Post by phillw48 on Mar 7, 2011 0:06:17 GMT
The alignment made the curve necessary. I have some maps dating from 1944 that show all of the rail tunnels and other service tunnels in the City of London. Strangely there was a more eastward route that would not have required such a severe curve. But would likely have put the alignment totally out for Liverpool Street and following station, and resulted in a sharper curve there! That may be so, but my map does not include the line beyond Liverpool Street as it had not been built in 1944. Interestingly the Central station is at an angle beneath the platforms of the main line station, if as I mentioned the line had been built further to the east the underground station would have been beneath Bishopsgate and parallel to the main line platforms. The decision to extend the Central eastwards was not made until the early thirties so it could be for some other reason, possibly other tunnels or deep foundations.
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Post by abe on Mar 7, 2011 8:04:58 GMT
All of the underground sections of the SSL are built using cut-and-cover from what I know... Not the case. Campden Hill Tunnel and the Clerkenwell Tunnels were all constructed conventionally. (Apologies for being OT).
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