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Post by Chris M on Jul 25, 2011 18:36:33 GMT
However the priorities of the average Central Line traveller, the drivers, the maintainers, the head honchos at 55, the line manager and the account(s) who have to sign it all off are not necessarily going to be in agreement though!
Personally, I'd go for a new cushions, a deep clean, proper repair of graffiti (external and internal), repainted grab poles and brighter lighting in that order.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2011 21:11:52 GMT
The point about not being able to effectively create RVAR/wheelchair zones on the 92-ts is correct - too much in the way and that does start a clock of sorts re; 2020. The work taking place is much less than intended due to budget issues and so is basically making watertight the identified 'worst' cars (with the hope to do all in time) - this involves the side windows using the 'polo mint' as the corrosion around them means little survives to hold the glass in - and dealing with new simplified panels to car ends. The interior scheme to completely replace the seating units fell by the wayside and so the existing seats are being reconstructed and recovered. Worth remembering that the new 'blue' moquette is a deliberate move away from line based colour identities, which is not considered sustainable (and a single moquette is cheaper to source). The issue re; priority seating was considered and LU decided that the 'reverse colourway' as used on LO wasn't visually strong enough. It required a lot of redesign to get the symbol incorporated into the moquette - it is up to individuals to decide if it is 'required'/works given that there's a transfer above - the line from LU A&I was that it was necessary.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2011 22:28:36 GMT
I dont think they need new seating units anyway, the current ones are perfectly fit for use for what they are. The restructures ones are very comfortable compared to the truely knackered ones you see on some unrefurbs.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2011 8:55:54 GMT
Had my first completely "refreshed" train yesterday and had a good look while I was up the siding at Northolt. Just the Polo windows, the new moquette and the seats re-stuffed.
There's still scratch marks on the inner window frames and the cab ends haven't been repainted.
With Boris signing the cheques, Petrol Head at the DfT and passenger numbers going up regardless of the state of the Tube this is as good as we are going to get.
The Tube on a shoestring.
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Post by plasmid on Aug 1, 2011 22:33:15 GMT
Went on the Central today for the first time in quite a while. I saw many "half" refreshed trains so it looks like they've picked up pace.
Any more news on the Siemens bogies? And I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the obvious here...Siemens...why wasn't Bombardier given this 150 million pound project??
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2011 22:15:09 GMT
Siemens bogies finished September/October, Siemens only supplying frames, overhaul is done in house at tmu Acton. Inner window panels would be a completly different project, a lot needs to come out before they can be removed unless they just film them
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Post by Alight on Aug 2, 2011 23:04:14 GMT
Went on the Central today for the first time in quite a while. I saw many "half" refreshed trains so it looks like they've picked up pace. Went on my first yesterday and it was a half refreshed. The car I was in was 91141. Seats weren't at all bad, however as many others have commented, it was a shame to see paint flaking off the grab poles. The light fixtures looked as though they hadn't been cleaned thoroughly enough. |
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Post by plasmid on Aug 3, 2011 17:59:02 GMT
Light diffusers look to have been cleaned out pretty damn well, though sadly the unit I was on today had 2 blown strip bulbs at the end of the car making it look dull lol.
I also saw a car with new seats but no new windows! One of the old windows had a Grey coloured seal around it which suggests they put on a new window and then took it off again?!
@ Wacky - Bogie upgrade is not finished, it is still on-going, there are still quite a few units out there with Kawasaki bogies and I saw a unit today with brand spanking new Siemens bogies.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2011 7:01:47 GMT
“Good news everybody!” (Prof. Hubert J. Fansworth)
A bulletin just appeared on the notice board, dated 3 August. Our DTSMs aren’t the greatest at disseminating information, unless it’s about someone’s retirement party, and until recently we had a full listing of the Jubilee Line “switching off” times for some reason.
To date six trains have had windows and seats fitted but more importantly the new cab and inter car end panels have arrived at Ruislip depot with replacement starting next month. These new panels will have fewer joints which apparently means less leakage. In addition all trains will be covered with an “anti-graffiti filming” from October/November. I assume that they will repaint the panels before applying it but with LUL nothing is certain.
In addition the porter buttons will be replaced and they will reseal all the M doors but as yet no mention of any further work to the insides of the saloons.
Am I the only one who wonders if it would have been quicker and possibly cheaper to take a train out of service, fully refurb it and then send it out?
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Post by Chris M on Aug 6, 2011 10:27:24 GMT
What is the issue with the current porter buttons? Am I the only one who wonders if it would have been quicker and possibly cheaper to take a train out of service, fully refurb it and then send it out? Nope! |
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Post by plasmid on Aug 6, 2011 12:44:14 GMT
Can we now call it a refurb instead of a refresh aslefshrugged?
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Post by Alight on Aug 6, 2011 13:16:47 GMT
Thanks for the update aslefshrugged! Though I must point out the “anti-graffiti filming” has always been part of the refresh programme, just seems they've delayed implementing it to later in the year. To answer Nick's question about referring to it as a 'refurb' instead of a 'refresh', how about a 'partial refurbishment'?  |
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Post by auxsetreq on Aug 6, 2011 21:35:31 GMT
I've put in my recommendation to the re-fresh bods. Line the lot with stainless steel and install revolving washer blades. Plug into the water main at night, chuck in a Fairy liqui-tab the size of Piers Morgan's ego, set to "intensive" and switch on. Any pi$$head who don't wanna get off leave on and charge em the next day for a 'wash n brush-up' - Treble rinse aids all around..............
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2011 9:51:58 GMT
What is the issue with the current porter buttons? Nothing O am aware of though some are getting a bit scabby. Can we now call it a refurb instead of a refresh aslefshrugged? LUL still say it’s a refresh and as they are paying for it I guess they can call it what the want. a Fairy liqui-tab the size of Piers Morgan's ego If it was that big it wouldn’t fit in any train we’ve got, you’d need a container ship. |
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Post by cso on Aug 8, 2011 10:36:42 GMT
I travelled on a part-refreshed train yesterday evening and the seats are definitely a lot more comfortable than the old ones...
I say the train was part refreshed as 4 or so of the cars had been done (the one I travelled in was the last one to have had the seats changed).
Granted, the journey was still horrible... seemed to keep stopping between stations, the Squeal between stations from Bank - Mile End was atrocious in some places!
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Post by Alight on Aug 8, 2011 18:21:41 GMT
LUL still say it’s a refresh and as they are paying for it I guess they can call it what the want. By contrast, two e-mails I received from TfL refer to it as a 'refurbishment'. |
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Post by auxsetreq on Aug 8, 2011 20:03:31 GMT
LUL still say it’s a refresh and as they are paying for it I guess they can call it what the want. By contrast, two e-mails I received from TfL refer to it as a 'refurbishment'. Well the staff are being told *refresh* and that's what it appears to be. *Refresh* for the "customers" that is. The peeps that are on them 25/8 don't get zilch. Not even a wiped over *luminaire* < For those who don't know what that is it means "diffuser" < For those who don't know what that is it means "lampshade" < For those who don't know what one of those is are obviously into bare-bulbing at passers by, trackie bottoms tucked into socks, Staffies and are not posh at all.............. Your E-Mail is stretching the moquette a bit. Ok - it's fibbing, and should it go further expect phone hacking style enquiries and a custard pie in the face from Blo Jo.............after he gets back from his hols............. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2011 19:42:54 GMT
Walking through a refreshed train on 21 road at Woodford last night I noticed that the floors were very shiny throughout. Wonder if they are being redone too.
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Post by Ben on Aug 26, 2011 16:20:33 GMT
For those who don't know what one of those is are obviously into bare-bulbing at passers by, trackie bottoms tucked into socks, Staffies and are not posh at all..............quote] Or.... you could go the other way, and assume that they are way too edwardian and upper class, and would recognise it as an electrolier  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2011 8:58:06 GMT
Only a rumour but yesterday one of my colleagues was telling us that they've run out of the blue moquette. Oh dear.......
Auxie, darlink, it's bear-baiting btw and Staffies are sooooo cute.
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Post by auxsetreq on Sept 11, 2011 10:18:44 GMT
Only a rumour but yesterday one of my colleagues was telling us that they've run out of the blue moquette. Oh dear....... Auxie, darlink, it's bear-baiting btw and Staffies are sooooo cute. *Darlink*.............!!! - I now know who you are. There's only ONE person in the whole Universe who pronounces his *g*'s as a *k* - Yes, the Manc who can't talk proper - *professor* Brian Cox. And the Central Line is as good a place as any for Bri' to carry on his travelogue career. Oh, and *prof* I still covet your belt and jeans combo................ However *prof* you like me will end up travellingk miles upon miles upon miles upon miles and you won't stop until the very last black hole has evaporated.................I worked out ( a very difficult task ) that I travelled approximately 145 miles yesterday and ended up going precisely nowhere ending up back home with Red Or Black? and a stuffed chicken................ |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2011 16:49:58 GMT
I went trainspotting at West Ruslip the other day ( l;imit of OAP all zones)
I noticed comming back passing the central line stock how tatty they on the outside paint seems to be peeling bearing in mind they are not that old
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Post by SE13 on Sept 11, 2011 18:01:01 GMT
I went trainspotting at West Ruslip the other day ( l;imit of OAP all zones) I noticed comming back passing the central line stock how tatty they on the outside paint seems to be peeling bearing in mind they are not that old Funny, but I always think of the 92's as new stock - Perhaps it's an age thing on my part, but those trains are shoving 20 years old! O/T, but I also think of the 73's on the Picc as new-ish stock, and they are only 7 years younger than me! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2011 18:41:18 GMT
I went trainspotting at West Ruslip the other day ( l;imit of OAP all zones) I noticed comming back passing the central line stock how tatty they on the outside paint seems to be peeling bearing in mind they are not that old Part of the "refresh" will be repainting and in some cases replacing the outside panels and covering them with an "anti-graffiti filming" so hopefully they will look a lot less tatty. sorry aux, I'm very much a product of South West Essex |
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Post by auxsetreq on Sept 12, 2011 9:12:51 GMT
sorry aux, I'm very much a product of South West Essex Oh damn. And there I was thinking how fun it would be to hear the *prof* announce his train as an "Ealingk Broadway, or Eppingk or the next stop is Nottingk Hill Gate". He must of gone on the Bakerloo......... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 92 or was it 93 when they were first delivered, with the last arriving in 95............... After it arrived to much fanfare 91001 was in the depot at West Ruislip with a security guard on-board who promptly chucked me and my guard off when we got on to have a butchers. Compared to what we were used to, it looked mighty weird. There are many urban legends as to what happened when it first went on juice - blew up, static converters wired up wrong, door fell off, the only thing they could do with it was to switch the saloon lights on and off, and so on.............. I believe the first fifteen trains had to go back for some serious mods, which makes 017 the oldest train in passenger service...... Overly slagged off for being uncomfy, initially unreliable, they leak enough to give the punters a good shower, and the only rolling stock in the history of *professor* Brain Cox's universe to completely shut a whole line down for two months leaves the good points to the train overlooked........... Reliable saloon doors, good speed, air suspension that rides out appallingly bumpy track, strong intelligent braking, and these days a work-horse that is a reliable piece of kit. Though not the ATO, that's a joke as far as reliability is concerned.......... The vandalism, wear and tear etc make them look far worse than what they are. With a bit of TLC they could be made to look better than new in next to no time. Unfortunately TFL prefer to misappropriate funds by spending money on Miss Tree Choppers and the like............... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2011 23:23:24 GMT
I do not see why they have to wait for a major refurb or refresh whatever you want to call it
If the front door at home needs repainting you just do it
why cant they be repainted at the home depot couple of blokes ( or lassies ) and a tin or two of paint !! job done
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2011 6:25:49 GMT
Aux, I came off stations straight onto the 92s so I’ve nothing to compare them with but I’m generally happy with them as a “workplace”. When they do break down we can normally get them moving again reasonably quickly and apart from the regular ATO fails they don’t seem to break down that often. The new windows will hopefully sort out the leaks. I do not see why they have to wait for a major refurb or refresh whatever you want to call it If the front door at home needs repainting you just do it why cant they be repainted at the home depot couple of blokes ( or lassies ) and a tin or two of paint !! job done I don’t know where to start. There are no home depots as such, there’s Hainault and Ruislip depots with sidings for overnight stabling at White City, Loughton and Woodford and the trains rotate through these. I suppose they don’t paint them because a) unlike your local car mechanic under the railway arches they don’t have the facilities, equipment or the space to do paint jobs and b) everyone is already too busy carrying out the various tasks necessary to prep the trains for service the next morning. With the limited time between close and start of traffic I doubt if they’d have time to strip the doors AND get a coat of primer on let alone let it dry before it was back out on the road, so the top coat would have to wait till the next night and the train could be in a siding over the other side of town by the end of the day. And I doubt if your front door has to travel at 65kph through tunnels of 80kph in the rain. And just imagine if it went out still wet; we’d be getting the dry cleaning bills from passengers to get the paint off their clothes. |
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Post by auxsetreq on Sept 13, 2011 7:59:20 GMT
I've worked on quite a few stocks, but when the 92 arrived I didn't find it too difficult to deal with as I'd already worked on round train circuit stuff before. Compared to the 62 which in my own opinion was a hot/cold/draughty/smelly/greasy unreliable bone shaker that was by the end of it's demise, quite literally rotting - the 92 is a palace. Some minor issues with it, but overall the 92 is without doubt the best stock I've ever worked on..........
.........I remember when they first turned up and we were yet to be trained on them, some of the old school boys were in a state of sheer horror. They'd just got their heads around the fact that sweets were no longer rationed. Trying to convince them that a tube train didn't need a Westinghouse Brake sent their minds all a-twirl. " I ain't drivng that 'orrible red white n blue worm" one of them growled to me once. I was quite taken aback. I'd never heard of a worm being described in such patriotic terms before. Rather than rise to the challenge of changing their mindsets and doing something new, many went elsewhere. Like a wing-back chair in a retirement home.............
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2011 7:38:01 GMT
Ok another mess room rumour but the word is that there are problems with the anti-graffiti film. They've applied it to one train but when they open the doors it peels off and is gumming up the door mechanisms. Whoops.......
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2011 16:09:24 GMT
Whats the film like? Is it like the film on the A stock windows?
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