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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2011 23:27:33 GMT
There is a potential way around this problem - Configure the train as follows Class 20 + S7 + 2 Class 20's + S8 + Class 20 then split into 2 trains when they arrive at Neasden. Xerces Fobe I'm guessing the design build of 'S' stock doesn't incorporate through multiple working for EE type 1's!!! Therefore this would equate to one x class 20 on the equivalent of a D700+ load, ie around 20 British rail MkI/II carriages A tad much for a 1,000 hp diesel! If I recall correctly BR considered using Class 20' one on each end of an MGR controlled wireless similar to the remote operating shunters. TDM was also used through the lighting circuits of MK111 coaches for the Glasgow -Edinburgh service. Xerces Fobe
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Post by panniertank on Jul 10, 2011 10:56:28 GMT
The idea for the class 20's to run the following pattern. Collect the train from the Derby sale line, and take it to Ashfordby. Take the next tested/stored train from Ashfordby to Neasden. Take the scrap a60 from Neasden to the scrap yard.
And repeat.
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Post by redsetter on Jul 10, 2011 15:34:21 GMT
the central line stock was towed off by a class 37. 1962 tube stock at West Ruislip headed by B.R. Class 37 Diesel Loco ready for scrapping up north (1993). Note the BR/LUL stock transfer siding: Line far left runs into Ruislip LUL train depot. www.anorakheaven.com/photos/rs068.jpglooking at the T stock the new A stock it can instantly be seen the improvement. A60/62 stock in Neasden train depot viewed from Neasden South signal cabin. Old Metropolitan Electric "T" stock in maroon livery visible to right. www.anorakheaven.com/photos/rs018.jpgsome interesting old photos here. www.anorakheaven.com/stock.htm
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Post by trainopd78 on Jul 10, 2011 16:10:08 GMT
the main issue with deliveries is the braking capacity. when being delivered, the s stock is unbraked, the 4 class 20s and the barrier waggons giving the required brake force required for the formation. any more cars added would mean inadequate brakes. its only when you drive it do you realise how heavy it all is.
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Post by Bighat on Jul 10, 2011 17:30:02 GMT
the central line stock was towed off by a class 37. 1962 tube stock at West Ruislip headed by B.R. Class 37 Diesel Loco ready for scrapping up north (1993). Note the BR/LUL stock transfer siding: Line far left runs into Ruislip LUL train depot. www.anorakheaven.com/photos/rs068.jpglooking at the T stock the new A stock it can instantly be seen the improvement. A60/62 stock in Neasden train depot viewed from Neasden South signal cabin. Old Metropolitan Electric "T" stock in maroon livery visible to right. www.anorakheaven.com/photos/rs018.jpgsome interesting old photos here. www.anorakheaven.com/stock.htmBut the class 37 locomotive as shown is facing south, back towards Marylebone or Paddington!
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Post by Oracle on Jul 11, 2011 7:42:21 GMT
But the class 37 locomotive as shown is facing south, back towards Marylebone or Paddington Did they run to say Newport or on the ex-GWR for scrapping? If so, as with the 1938 Stock that I once saw en route to its demise (hauled by a Class 47, circa 1977), they ran via the Greenford loop, and then Reading.
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Post by North End on Jul 11, 2011 9:41:44 GMT
But the class 37 locomotive as shown is facing south, back towards Marylebone or Paddington Did they run to say Newport or on the ex-GWR for scrapping? If so, as with the 1938 Stock that I once saw en route to its demise (hauled by a Class 47, circa 1977), they ran via the Greenford loop, and then Reading. Apart from the small handful of cars scrapped before or after the main scrapping programme, all of the 1959/1962/1972Mk1 stock went to Mayer Parry, Newmarket. Generally cars from Ruislip went by rail, however a lot of cars went direct by road from Morden. Most 4-car 72Mk1 stock units went for storage at a variety of locations, those not still with us went to a range of scrap locations.
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Post by panniertank on Jul 11, 2011 11:10:30 GMT
You can stand down until the 18th. Another is set to go then.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2011 11:41:46 GMT
Was dreading looking at this thread earlier! Its all good for another week then
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Post by Oracle on Jul 11, 2011 13:20:57 GMT
Thanks for the info!
It will be nice to see, if any withdrawn A Stock ever goes by rail, any ends up at Eastleigh.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2011 19:39:09 GMT
Was dreading looking at this thread earlier! Its all good for another week then Isn't a quick death better than a slow lingering one? At least disposal by rail has a bit more dignity about it than being carted off bit by bit by road on low loaders.
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Post by graeme186 on Jul 12, 2011 21:40:19 GMT
You can stand down until the 18th. Another is set to go then. All remaining units were in passenger service last week except for 5046. Also I have not seen this unit this week to date either. There are a couple of others that have fallen by the wayside in the last 6/7 days but will leave quoting them for a couple of days in case they show up.
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Post by panniertank on Jul 13, 2011 17:48:01 GMT
You can stand down until the 18th. Another is set to go then. All remaining units were in passenger service last week except for 5046. Also I have not seen this unit this week to date either. There are a couple of others that have fallen by the wayside in the last 6/7 days but will leave quoting them for a couple of days in case they show up. You must allow for maintenance comrade. ;D i will trace down 5046 for you.
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Post by panniertank on Jul 13, 2011 17:52:12 GMT
the main issue with deliveries is the braking capacity. when being delivered, the s stock is unbraked, the 4 class 20s and the barrier waggons giving the required brake force required for the formation. any more cars added would mean inadequate brakes. its only when you drive it do you realise how heavy it all is. Another main issue in stock delivery is one of the bridges, over the River Brent at Neasden Depot has a load restriction on it. In the past class 37's have been over it. Not allowed anymore - hence the class'20's.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2011 18:14:49 GMT
A contact with with GBRf says that one of the 20's (20301 I think!) traction motors have gone down the pan, he also said S stock deliveries will go tits up because of that, oh what a shame!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2011 18:49:18 GMT
A contact with with GBRf says that one of the 20's (20301 I think!) traction motors have gone down the pan, he also said S stock deliveries will go tits up because of that, oh what a shame! In that case, how about use a pair of 66s, deliver to Ricky sidings and collect from there with Sarah - how ironic would that be!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2011 19:21:15 GMT
Haha! ;D
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Post by rincew1nd on Jul 13, 2011 19:23:14 GMT
In that case, how about use a pair of 66s, deliver to Ricky sidings and collect from there with Sarah - how ironic would that be! Now that really would be cracking publicity to make the headlines!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2011 19:46:56 GMT
S stock deliveries will go tits up because of that, oh what a shame! It is a shame isn't it? Onion, you're becoming King Canute old son! Trying in vain to hold back the inevitable. Laudable from a nostalgic point of view but little else. With each delay, particularly when it has nothing to do with the new stock's performance itself makes the increasing age related unreliability of the older trains more likely to cause delay and inconvenience to the travelling public. That's nothing to celebrate surely?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2011 20:14:07 GMT
Just personal preference of stock!
But is a lack seats for many passengers somthing to celebrate though? Trust me today whilst out on some A's this evening, waiting for a fast train at Baker Street, I let an S stock to Uxbridge pass, and most people were standing. The Stopping train after it which was an A stock had only a few people standing and the rest sitting down quite comfortably.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2011 20:14:55 GMT
Turns out only two 20's are on 8X09 tonight, so they didnt go tits up *sigh*
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2011 20:42:54 GMT
Just personal preference of stock! But is a lack seats for many passengers somthing to celebrate though? Trust me today whilst out on some A's this evening, waiting for a fast train at Baker Street, I let an S stock to Uxbridge pass, and most people were standing. The Stopping train after it which was an A stock had only a few people standing and the rest sitting down quite comfortably. Admittedly there are more seats on 'A's but a lot of what you describe above can depend on how the service is running there and then and what the intervals between the trains (and branches) in question are, also do people not expect to stand in the rush hour on the Met !?! bless their socks made of cotton ! As a (predominantly) Piccadilly line commuter, I don't get with this apparent Met line passenger 'divine right' to a seat business. It's the rush hour to/from central London, you're going to stand up - FACT ! A typical 08.00 Eastbound service from Hounslow East in the morning peak and folks who get on there are often standing throughout to central London - 40 ish minutes, similar to Uxbridge - Baker Street In fact, your's angrily of Chalfont & Latimer travels for around 40 minutes to Baker St in the morning peak (add 10 or so more minutes to the city in both cases of course) There's no divine right to a seat when commuting to London!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2011 21:15:22 GMT
Just personal preference of stock! But is a lack seats for many passengers somthing to celebrate though? Trust me today whilst out on some A's this evening, waiting for a fast train at Baker Street, I let an S stock to Uxbridge pass, and most people were standing. The Stopping train after it which was an A stock had only a few people standing and the rest sitting down quite comfortably. Yes, and I will defend your right to defend A stock until judgement day.......when you will of course have to stand as all seats, never mind the luggage racks, on "J" Stock will have been removed entirely! ;D Fact of the matter, the maths is simple. There are far too many people in London now to even consider an A stock seating arrangement in the new trains and it will get a whole lot worse in the years to come until what's now the sleepy suburbs are swallowed up into the heaving metropolis. I remember Woodford around 1973 when I first started using the tube, on my own, aged 8. Whilst busy, it was nothing like what it is now which is bordering on absolute hell IMHO. Give me a couple more years and I'll be permanently moved to Lincolnshire where I can live out my life skint perhaps, but in relative peace and quiet. I think the pay off will be worth it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2011 21:18:03 GMT
I dont commute into and out of London because im14 (15 next month) but the first thing I do on a crowded train is look for a seat. But why would you take away whats already there? Thats practically a step back! If people now mainly get a seat, why would you take them away and make the majority stand?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2011 21:21:33 GMT
Turns out only two 20's are on 8X09 tonight, so they didnt go tits up *sigh* What's 8X09? Ta.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2011 21:23:45 GMT
Turns out only two 20's are on 8X09 tonight, so they didnt go tits up *sigh* What's 8X09? Ta. The Headcode (Train No.) 8X09 Old Dalby-Amersham
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2011 21:33:02 GMT
I dont commute into and out of London because im14 (15 next month) but the first thing I do on a crowded train is look for a seat. But why would you take away whats already there? Thats practically a step back! If people now mainly get a seat, why would you take them away and make the majority stand? To quote Spock from Star Trek, "Logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few...." wise words even if they are from a pointy eared alien, and he's right. In the not to distant future overload will be the case as the conurbation expands outwards from the centre and the passenger numbers in those areas increase exponentially as a result. Planners will have taken these projections into account. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely 100% sympathize with your stance but it's a broken one with little chance of being mended as far as I can see. You're growing up with a London way different to the one I grew up in only 30 years ago and I don't envy you for it. Those who could sit will have to stand, and they'll just have to get used to it. Still, you stand up (no pun intended ) for what you believe in as it's a good place to be!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2011 22:01:36 GMT
I do wish I was born about 30years previous! Class 37's on the mainline, Slamdoor EMU's, BR, other LU stocks etc! If ever I have to use the Met after all the A's are gone I may carry a small camp chair with me ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2011 22:02:39 GMT
But yeah, a couple of decades will mean more people obviously so all standing room on an A stock layout will be abit crushed!
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Post by Bighat on Jul 13, 2011 22:29:39 GMT
I do wish I was born about 30years previous! Class 37's on the mainline, Slamdoor EMU's, BR, other LU stocks etc! If ever I have to use the Met after all the A's are gone I may carry a small camp chair with me ;D LOL! Nostalgia isn't what is used to be!
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