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Post by citysig on Jun 30, 2011 22:46:55 GMT
Which unit is formed with 5132-6133-5133? Can it run ok? Will it have to be dragged? Pushed into the siding? The unit you mention should still have 6132, and, as I said above, is not down as one of the units heading to Northwood on 4th July. |
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Post by a60 on Jun 30, 2011 23:17:26 GMT
Please, whatever is done, don't send 5130 away yet, there are far worse units.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2011 23:19:19 GMT
5130 is in VERY good condition
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Post by a60 on Jun 30, 2011 23:33:06 GMT
Grand! Funnily enough, my school ID was 5130, but I finished on 28th June, so (in a rather odd way), a 5130 is currently withdrawn having finished it's last science exam. 5130 still with 5161?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2011 1:00:02 GMT
I believe so!
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Post by graeme186 on Jul 1, 2011 10:32:53 GMT
Grand! Funnily enough, my school ID was 5130, but I finished on 28th June, so (in a rather odd way), a 5130 is currently withdrawn having finished it's last science exam. 5130 still with 5161? It was earlier this week but no more. 5161 is now formed up with 5090. No sightings of 5130 since. |
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Post by graeme186 on Jul 1, 2011 10:44:03 GMT
The next ones to go are 5207, and 5132. The latter of which is the seven car. Minus car 6132. Please see my post in the formation thread. I mentioned that 5207 was still in service on Wed formed up with 5088. The latter unit is now formed up with 5155 so that may well be it for 5207. My bets on the next withdrawals would have been from the list of those single ended units that have not received an exterior clean in the last few months. Neither 5132 or 5207 came into that category. The units concerned are 020/030/042/046/050/072/086/128/153/177/183/199/217/221/225. |
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Post by metman on Jul 1, 2011 12:22:21 GMT
Why was there a photo of 6132 formed into 5110-11 then?
Is the trailer back in its unit again?
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Post by graeme186 on Jul 1, 2011 14:21:11 GMT
Why was there a photo of 6132 formed into 5110-11 then? Is the trailer back in its unit again? Based on panniertank's report, 6132 is to become a permanent sandite car formed up into 5110/11 and so providing an additional RAT train. The remaining three cars in 5132/33 go for scrap this Monday and 5110/11 is permanently withdrawn from passenger train duties. |
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Post by panniertank on Jul 1, 2011 14:47:54 GMT
Why was there a photo of 6132 formed into 5110-11 then? Is the trailer back in its unit again? no. its staying behind as the spare for RAT duties, with 5110. 5132 will be scrapped as a three car. |
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Post by panniertank on Jul 1, 2011 14:52:02 GMT
Just to note this scrap run will proceed to Watford first, then reverse, back down on the south, and straight into Northwood sidings.
This has been done to avoid similar problems that caused trouble last time.
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Post by panniertank on Jul 1, 2011 14:55:28 GMT
Why was there a photo of 6132 formed into 5110-11 then? Is the trailer back in its unit again? Based on panniertank's report, 6132 is to become a permanent sandite car formed up into 5110/11 and so providing an additional RAT train. The remaining three cars in 5132/33 go for scrap this Monday and 5110/11 is permanently withdrawn from passenger train duties. spot on. the depot was asked by test crews to provide a additional car, and thus it was supplied. the whole train will be upgraded at acton works ( 5234) is in a thousand pieces right now) to meet the standards used on the central line RAT units. |
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Post by a60 on Jul 1, 2011 15:00:37 GMT
Where are these to be scrapped Booths, Eastleigh, or DSM? It sparked a debate, in which we all took a leave of our senses, myself included. Are we sure about which other unit may be on it's way? May well be 5207, or others like 5020.
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Post by metman on Jul 1, 2011 17:25:36 GMT
If 5132 is to go to northwood as a 3 car how will this work?
The best option would be to move both 5110 and 5132 to Acton, and send the 3 spare cars from there!
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Post by graeme186 on Jul 1, 2011 20:25:47 GMT
If 5132 is to go to northwood as a 3 car how will this work? I think we will find that T717 on Monday is formed of 5132+6133+5133+5206+6206+6207+5207 |
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Post by metman on Jul 2, 2011 7:38:27 GMT
I'll have to get my operating manual out but I'm not sure A stock can run as a 3 car unit. Each trailer feeds its adjacent DM unless.....
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Post by a60 on Jul 2, 2011 9:29:04 GMT
....5132/3 may have either an overactive compressor, or just a bit poney at braking, or as you said, inoperable. Option 2 or 3 seem realistic.
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Post by citysig on Jul 2, 2011 15:34:23 GMT
Ok, let's clear a few things up before Mr Panniertank blows a blood vessel in his over-active imagination.
The units "booked" to be taking their last trip to Northwood are...
5056 and 5020
In the event that something more serious has occured to another unit, then the formation may be changed.
The trip will run via Watford because quite simply it makes sense in terms of running the Watford passenger service. The train enters an engineering possession when it proceeds into the siding. There is a delay whilst this procedure is carried out, and rather than shutting both roads down, it will now only affect the southbound - although as the train follows a service train and the next one is 10 minutes away, it shouldn't affect even that.
The train will run as 7 cars. It won't be split at any point. It is perfectly able to run as this formation.
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Post by a60 on Jul 2, 2011 20:47:11 GMT
5056/7? Erm, best tell metman sooner rather than later.... I can understand that 5020/1 is struggling, but was it just happening that 5056/7 was available to be scrapped, or some other citerion it met?
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Post by metman on Jul 3, 2011 8:47:58 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2011 13:52:56 GMT
I have an urgent appeal from Metman. He is out on the MET today and had the shock of seeing 5057 out too. Bearing in mind that it won't be able to get back to Neasden tonight due to engineering work will it still bite the dust tomorrow? It is currently out with 5040. I'll text him the second I get an answer. Thanks folks.
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Post by graeme186 on Jul 3, 2011 14:57:15 GMT
I have to say that I have somewhat struggled with the suggestion from MetControl that it would be 5020 and 5056 off for scrap tomorrow. Both have been in regular service all week (5020 formed up with 5168 and 5056 formed up with 5040, as Glyn has pointed out). I was particularly surprised at the possibility of the loss of another doubled ended unit so soon given the recent loss of 5066, 5110 and 5234. If T717 tomorrow is definitely formed up of 7 cars tomorrow, one of the units in the formation (well the remainder that is) must be 5132 and I remain convinced that the other unit is 5207. Having said all this, MetControl was obviously party to information indicating 5020 and 5056. Anyway, we'll know either way tomorrow.
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Post by a60 on Jul 3, 2011 16:10:39 GMT
5179 was in service the day before it went to Northwood.
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Post by citysig on Jul 3, 2011 18:31:45 GMT
I have an urgent appeal from Metman. He is out on the MET today and had the shock of seeing 5057 out too. Bearing in mind that it won't be able to get back to Neasden tonight due to engineering work will it still bite the dust tomorrow? It is currently out with 5040. I'll text him the second I get an answer. Thanks folks.  Yes all very interesting, and as graeme186 says, I was party to some information, but in light of the engineering works and the fact that the train was out today, it seems unlikely it will be going. Of course, it is not beyond the realms of possibility that it works the morning peak and then goes to Northwood. It could be that the key behind this unit being chosen is a particular exam or repair being due tomorrow. Not all of the scrappings will be trains on their last legs. It could also be that the unit ended up north of Harrow this weekend, despite being requested by the depot on Friday. This can happen, and given the few service issues we had Friday, it would not surprise me if it slipped through the net. Best ignore my so-called reliable (official) information and wait and see... Sorry chaps. |
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Post by a60 on Jul 3, 2011 18:55:40 GMT
Oh my! 5130 could be chosen, please don't say it will be. Which units do we reckon (aside from 5132 or 5207) may go, i.e. on last legs?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2011 19:15:13 GMT
T'would appear then that the chances of 5057 making it's 50th in December are a tad remote?
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Post by metman on Jul 3, 2011 22:10:33 GMT
Not if I buy it first......
In fact how much would the exam cost, I'll pay....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2011 12:24:21 GMT
5056/57 in service this morning - seen on a NB train north of Finchley Road with 5057 leading north end.
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Post by cso on Jul 4, 2011 12:30:28 GMT
I'd have thought we'd have known shortly for defiinite which trains were going as I thought the train is booked to run to Northwood round about now isn't it?
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Post by 21146 on Jul 4, 2011 12:57:27 GMT
7-car 5207 - 5132 duly made the one-way journey from Neasden depot to Northwood siding via Watford today as Set 717.
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