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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2011 15:16:07 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2011 19:10:20 GMT
Wonderful..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2011 19:16:30 GMT
What do you use for your tube tunnels? Also, how do you make the train spark?
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Post by metroland on Feb 15, 2011 19:17:25 GMT
Some serious trackwork there. It drove me mad doing my little bit, but at 1m30s in you get a hint of a profusion of crossovers on Intervale. Would love to see a 'look down' view of all that track.
Also some serious work has gone into the tunnel casings (or whatever the correct term is for them).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2011 19:20:09 GMT
I do like the standard of replication... just one question... how have you replicated the 'arcing' off the juice rails?
This is great!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2011 19:27:58 GMT
If memory serves, the arcing on Intervale is delivered by magnets on the bottom of the train crossing a reed switch that is connected to a high-intensity blue LED. Dead sure it was covered on the Metromodels site.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2011 20:14:17 GMT
Thats cool! need a cab ride of that layout too... small camera mounted somehow on a wagon and pushed along...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2011 20:18:33 GMT
The arcing is indeed as is outlined on the Metromodels site, by way of a magnetic reed switch embedded in the track. Us a white LED, as these are colour balanced to daylight and look bluish under incandescent light. Also, I drive them form one source which is an LED flickering candle module. This gives a more realistic flicker when the train passes over it at slow speed. The motor bogies trigger the reed switch off the motor magnets, so it does help to have the driving bogies on the same part of the train as the prototype.
As far as the tunnels go, I cheated a bit by using 2.25 inch outer-diameter shop-vac hose. This is flexible and corrugated (although the corrugation is the inverse of the real tube tunnel, but gives the effect). I lay the track on foamboard about 1 inch wide, as underlay then cut about a 3/4 inch strip out of the shop-vac hose. The hose then sits snugly either side of the foamboard, covering the track. This took some work on getting the diameter right with the curves, to get sufficient clearances with the rolling stock(especially the Metromodels which is a bit wider than the EFE or Standard Stock).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2011 20:25:30 GMT
Slight problem there. The 92ts is 100% motored axle! Don't think you'll be running that in a model!
Doesn't stop magnets being placed on all bogies though..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2011 20:31:04 GMT
That's it Charlie, I put magnets on the bogies of the 92 stock where there are pick-up shoes and no motors (in the case of the model). The end DMs have two Tenshodos each, so not problem there.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2011 21:17:44 GMT
Two tenshodos per DM? Don't think that will have any running problems anytime soon (unless the gears decide to shred, heard about that.)
The most impressive arc-age is most certainly when the trains are just accelerating. Shame the heaviest load is in below-ground station platforms, where you can nae see it where there is a gap!
If you wanted to be extra-clever with the electronics you could make a monostable circuit. Give it a short time delay and you'll get a nice, regular timed flash. If you stop the train on the reed switch, it will flick, and not stay on. Brilliant!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2011 21:43:52 GMT
@ Charlie, I think it all depends on how much time you want to spend on electrics and wiring rather than building and operating trains. The early Tenshodos (15 years ago) had gear problems which I replaced. The ones in the 92 stock are 5 years old and still seem to be fine. I have done a lot of work with the the Endo motor bogies which are available from Metromodels and these seem to work much better than the Tenshodos. The very heavy white metal Standard stock is running on Endos (one in each DM) and they work where the Tenshodos would just simply fall over and die.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2011 21:48:19 GMT
It's a piece of cake setting up the electrics. All you need is a 5v supply. Then it's one 4001, one resistor, one capacitor per point you wish to flash at.
I think the initial time investment is worth it, and I'm sure someone like Metman would certainly give something similar a go on his little Harrow on the Hill layout, with his attention to detail!
When my phone decides it will comply and finally uploads the circuit diagram, I'll stick it here. It is quite simple.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2011 22:10:15 GMT
One word for that.... Inspirational! I'm getting seriously itchy modelling fingers now. Truly superb work sir. I look forward to seeing more.
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Post by metman on Feb 15, 2011 22:25:15 GMT
Charlie, I wish it was little, I may have got more of it done! ;D
I'll look into it however.....
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Post by SE13 on Feb 16, 2011 9:00:37 GMT
Very impressive, especially the arcing.
I can see a lot of time and patience has gone into that. Keep them coming!
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Post by underground16 on Feb 17, 2011 12:24:43 GMT
Your layout looks fab i see that u have a 6car 92stock how did u get the 6car as i though u had to buy them as a set of 4cars.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2011 16:35:21 GMT
@underground16, I bought the 92 stock back around 2002 when Metromodels was just starting up making these as kits and they could be bought as individual cars. I then spent two years (on and off) super detailing this unit.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2011 17:43:24 GMT
Wouldnt it be great if ready to run LU trains were made by Hornby or Bachmann?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2011 18:12:41 GMT
Bronzeonion: Yes! I have talked to EFE and even written to Creative Masters for more LU models. I am surprised that nobody has made a model of the 1972 TS (Metromodels made a kit some years ago). Based on the success that EFE have had with the 38TS and 62TS, you'd think more model manufacturers would be headed in that direction. Bachmann and Hornby are now in the 3rd rail EMU business, so perhaps there's hope one of them will start a foray into the LU range.
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Post by metman on Feb 17, 2011 18:47:38 GMT
I wouldn't worry too much about a 1967/72 tube stock kit
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Post by phillw48 on Feb 17, 2011 19:18:51 GMT
Model manufacturers have to outlay thousands of pounds in developing a new model, something in the region of £8,000 to £10,000 for a bus or a tube car such as the EFE model. So a manufacturer has to be very choosy about what to make. The 38/59/62 TS was chosen because the actual differences were relatively small, basically the cab ends and they appeared in several different livery's. At the other end of the spectrum don't expect to see a model of the '83 TS very soon. After taking into account manufacturing and transport costs as well as dealers mark up and other costs the profit on an individual model is very small, often less than 50p per item so a manufacturer has to make sure that he or she picks a good un!
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Post by metman on Feb 17, 2011 21:17:08 GMT
Definately, however, for the kit manufacturers it is less risky. Hoping to have a 67/72 kit out in a year or so.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2011 21:57:10 GMT
According to a reply I recieved from one of the major manufacturers the total cost of tooling for a new locomotive is around £100,000. That having been said, Airfix GMR were at the prototype stage of producing a 1938 tube set when the company folded. It would be interesting to see if Hornby or Bachmann (who appeared to share the spoils) acquired any of the developement work.
Cyberman, I can't get over how good that Standard stock looks. I really must get my set painted.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2011 22:05:52 GMT
Metman, I hope so. Do you know who's making it???
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2011 22:07:09 GMT
Thanks, Glyn. Just spray paint.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2011 22:09:56 GMT
Metman, I hope so. Do you know who's making it??? By the sounds of it, him! I know he does stuff for Radley Models..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2011 1:27:25 GMT
Yes, I have long suspected this....
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Post by metman on Feb 18, 2011 9:23:21 GMT
Correct. At the moment we're working on 1960 stock. The idea is both designs will fit on the EFE 1959/62 stock chasis as the bogies are broadly similar as is the length. It then means most of the hard work is done for the modeller. All you have to do is fit the one piece body to the chasis, paint and fit the glazing!
It is not an easy body shape to make, but we'll get there....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2011 9:59:10 GMT
Of course, 1960 Cravens DMs are another excuse to have a couple of Standard stock cars.... As if one were needed! ;D
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