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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 27, 2017 17:18:42 GMT
With the new working timetable from May, how significant is the improvement in journey times once its only S stock that the timetable is based on? Curious how many minutes are anticipated to be saved on an end to end run, such as Wimbledon to Upminster No significant changes are coming this year, we will still have the legacy signalling and speed restrictions as now. 'runtime improvements' are planned from December 2020. slight adjustments to District Line running time from 21 May (only variations shown): Upminster Bridge and Upminster EB +½ Hornchurch / Elm Park: EB -½ / WB -½ Dagenham Heathway and Dagenham East EB +½ Becontree and Dagenham Heathway EB -½ East Ham and Barking EB +½ East Ham and Upton Park EB -½ Upton Park and Plaistow WB -½ Plaistow and West Ham WB +½ Aldgate East and Whitechapel EB +½ Cannon Street and Monument EB -½ Mansion House and Cannon Street EB +½ Blackfriars and Mansion House EB -½ Temple and Blackfriars EB +½ Temple / Embankment: EB -½ / WB -½ Westminster and St. James’s Park WB +½ Victoria and Sloane Square WB -½ Bayswater / Notting Hill Gate: EB -½ / WB -½ Notting Hill Gate and High Street Kensington WB +½ West Brompton and Earl’s Court EB +½ Fulham Broadway and West Brompton EB -½ Fulham Broadway and Parsons Green WB -½ Parsons Green and Putney Bridge WB -½ Southfields and Wimbledon Park WB +½ Earl’s Court and Kensington (Olympia) WB -½ West Kensington and Earl’s Court EB -½ Barons Court and West Kensington EB +½ Gunnersbury and Turnham Green EB -½ Kew Gardens and Gunnersbury EB +½ Kew Gardens and Richmond WB +½ . |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 5:50:24 GMT
I haven't posted any items for some time.
I am a spotter,visiting London 5/6 times a year-in an effort to see all Underground stock.
I am now down to needing the following to clear:-21385/21386/21467/21468/21547/21548/21553/21554.Can anyone confirm if these are actually in service,please?Looking at the stock list,it looks like 21467/21468/21547/21548 are not in traffic.I have spent ages at Earl's Court/Edgware Road-but to no avail.My next visit to London is 5th June.Any help would be very helpful.
With thanks-Martyn
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Post by Dstock7080 on Apr 8, 2017 6:08:04 GMT
21467/68 and 21547/48 have not yet been delivered to London.
The others are in service on the three Lines, although trains are now returning to Derby for ATC fitment.
Also 21319/20 is now operating as an S7 on the District/Circle/H&C Lines.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 8:47:49 GMT
21467/68 and 21547/48 have not yet been delivered to London. The others are in service on the three Lines, although trains are now returning to Derby for ATC fitment. Also 21319/20 is now operating as an S7 on the District/Circle/H&C Lines. Many thanks for this info.Any idea about when they may enter service? Martyn |
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Post by phoenixcronin on Apr 16, 2017 20:48:25 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 22:26:03 GMT
can anyone tell me if the two S7 units 21539 and 21540 actually exist on the system? I saw a recent blog listing this set at Ruislip is it currently in service? thanks
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Post by domh245 on May 29, 2017 22:36:38 GMT
As per the deliveries list, they exist but have yet to arrive in London as they are both ATC* test units, and are currently still up at Old Dalby. Leading on from that, I can't imagine that it'll be too long before they come to London, as there can't be that much use for them now that we aren't far off having the first bit of real world kit operational, and an additional 2 ATC fitted units would come in quite handy I'd have thought. *Automatic Train Control |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 16:07:00 GMT
I'm sure the aerial testing is still taking place
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 19:14:01 GMT
Train 142 is back at Derby and Train 182 is still at Old Dalby.
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Post by spsmiler on May 30, 2017 19:27:01 GMT
Another view of an S stock train that has been fitted for ATC. The only visible identification are the two black 'horns' (sic) on the roof at each end of the train. Simon
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Post by phoenixcronin on May 30, 2017 21:36:06 GMT
What's happened to the unit number?
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 30, 2017 21:46:38 GMT
What's happened to the unit number? car 21321 returned from Derby without its number, unexplained. |
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Post by toledo1850 on May 31, 2017 13:43:47 GMT
Just wondering why the Metropolitain line is still using an S7+1 train on its line?
the seating layout of this train is completly unsuitable for the Met line,
I thought it was bought in whilst the S8 was having mods done, but these must have been done by now.
any ideas?
Posts from S7+1 thread moved into here (superteacher)
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Post by rincew1nd on May 31, 2017 14:05:41 GMT
AIUI, modifications are still ongoing. Also one S7+1 has been purchased permanently for the Met Line for the Croxley Rail Link/MLX.
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Post by norbitonflyer on May 31, 2017 14:42:16 GMT
AIUI, modifications are still ongoing. Also one S7+1 has been purchased permanently for the Met Line for the Croxley Rail Link/MLX. Rather than an S8, because tooling up for a one-off S8 wold have been too expensive. |
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Post by cso on May 31, 2017 14:49:54 GMT
I'm not quite sure I follow what you mean by "Tooling Up" in this case... my understanding was that the S7 & S8 were remarkably similiar, just with an extra seating layout and an extra carriage?
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 31, 2017 15:40:24 GMT
There are currently two S7+1 on the Metropolitan Line, 21323/24 which will only remain while S8s are returned to Derby for ATC fitment, 21327/28 which, has been mentioned will remain permanently as the extra train for the MLX Metropolitan Line Extension (if it gets done!).
Building of S8 trains with their different seating layout had already finished, so to build an extra S7 with an additional car was the easiest to do.
Only 4 of 58 S8 trains have returned from Derby after ATC fitment.
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Post by norbitonflyer on May 31, 2017 15:41:07 GMT
I'm not quite sure I follow what you mean by "Tooling Up" in this case... my understanding was that the S7 & S8 were remarkably similiar, just with an extra seating layout and an extra carriage? The transverse seats are a different design. Setting up a production line just for eight cars would be expensive. |
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Post by brigham on May 31, 2017 15:43:06 GMT
Just wondering why the Metropolitain line is still using an S7+1 train on its line? the seating layout of this train is completly unsuitable for the Met line, I thought it was bought in whilst the S8 was having mods done, but these must have been done by now. any ideas? The seating layout of ALL S-Stock is completely unsuitable for the MET. |
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Post by peterc on May 31, 2017 15:52:39 GMT
ANY seating layout would be unsuitable for some part of the Met with a high freqency metro at one end and an outer suburban railway at the other.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 15:59:24 GMT
AIUI, modifications are still ongoing. Also one S7+1 has been purchased permanently for the Met Line for the Croxley Rail Link/MLX. It's on hold |
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Post by t697 on May 31, 2017 18:57:17 GMT
MLX might be on hold but the extra train is built and delivered.
S7s had quite few design changes from S8 that you can't see to improve reliability and reduce build costs. So it was more logical to build another of those, as S7+1, than revert to true S8 for the extra train.
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Post by phoenixcronin on May 31, 2017 20:48:16 GMT
The most obvious change to me is the plate on the bottom of the doors (grey on the S8s vs aluminium on the S7s, and with different rivets) and the reduction in the number of emergency alarms on later S7s.
There are no doubt more changes which aren't immediately visible.
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Post by brigham on Jun 1, 2017 8:39:24 GMT
At one time, Neasden would have re-arranged the seating to S8 specification.
For some reason, such an idea would now be deemed utterly fantastic.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jun 1, 2017 8:56:05 GMT
At one time, Neasden would have re-arranged the seating to S8 specification. Possibly they would, but only if there were suitable seats still being manufactured. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 16:08:30 GMT
IIRC, there is equipment that is actually located differently in an s7 to an s8. I can't see them changing the seats around, and leaving a single train with equipment in a different location.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 2:42:09 GMT
can anyone tell me if the two S7 units 21467/8 and 21547/48 actually exist on the system I have spent several hours chasing these two with no luck I'm guessing they may be working on the district.......or are they out of traffic? thanks merged into existing thread thanks but I have no idea where the existing thread is or how to find it |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jun 2, 2017 5:02:54 GMT
thanks but I have no idea where the existing thread is or how to find it you will note the thread title has now changed, just click that title, provides a link to correct thread. |
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Post by brigham on Jun 2, 2017 7:43:54 GMT
IIRC, there is equipment that is actually located differently in an s7 to an s8. I can't see them changing the seats around, and leaving a single train with equipment in a different location. Quite frankly, I can't see them doing anything except continue to run an occasional train with all-longitudinal seating. The difference is marginal. If a few passengers switch to Marylebone, then so be it. From what I read, there are bigger incentives. This issue of the Met service dropping behind in speed and comfort has long interested me. During the early May bank holiday, I had planned to travel from Marylebone to Baker Street via Amersham, to make the comparison. Regrettably, and for family reasons, the trip was commuted to Denham Golf Club and return; and even that didn't take place due to timetable difficulties. I have some ideas, though, which I'll be working on over the coming weeks. Thanks to domh245 for the link to the Rolling Stock Info Sheets. I now have something to work with. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 11:29:17 GMT
thanks but I have no idea where the existing thread is or how to find it you will note the thread title has now changed, just click that title, provides a link to correct thread. if the thread title has changed and I don't know what the title is now I'm never likely to find it. I've given up looking if there was a page showing the member name and their last 10 posts and under which categories I might be able to find it. otherwise its so easy to spend hours trying to find your original post particularly if the post was never in the right place to begin with. |
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