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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 12:55:49 GMT
Two more S stocks were delivered to the District line on Friday for weekday workings 46 and 103. Two more will be in place early next week for 40 and 50 (workings subject to confirmation).
This takes the S7 fleet to 80 trains. Incidentally there are no power issues holding up rollout at the moment. One or two things still to sort before more than 96 (I think) trains are allowed out.
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Post by cso on Aug 8, 2015 13:57:18 GMT
So in the meantime, the delivered S Stock just sit at West Ruislip Depot for ages? There's been one there that's been there all week as far as I can see, and previous to that there were two of them!
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Post by superteacher on Aug 10, 2015 18:44:10 GMT
Today, S stock operated the following workings on the District:
1,3,4,12,13,14,15,20,21,27,34,46,47,54,56,60,64,67,70,71,72,73,74,75,76,77,126 (pm)
I didn't manage to see 121,122, 101-107. 124 and 125 appeared to be non starters in the pm peak.
Most of the above differ from the workings previously posted. Is there an updated list, or is it just a case now that any train could be formed of S stock?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Aug 10, 2015 20:13:49 GMT
There is still a 'nominated workings' list, with the additions mentioned by tridentalx above.
Unfortunately the RMT overtime ban by depot staff is affecting the ability to keep to the list, indeed this morning 11 trains from Ealing Common and 6 trains from Upminster were cancelled, due to no available stock.
Many D & S7 trains were mis-allocated with D on 63., S on 124 etc.
Although all driving staff should now be trained on S7s the nominated trains list still survives but depot staff restrictions are affecting this of late.
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Post by Colin on Aug 10, 2015 20:17:00 GMT
EDIT: beaten to it by him above ^^^^, but I'm leaving this post up anyway  The majority of those you have listed are proper nominated S stock workings. Things are a bit awry at the moment due to an RMT overtime ban. Despite LU claiming a good service, things on the District have been far from good! Most weekdays are seeing around 14 to 16 trains cancelled during the peaks - these are essentially the peak extra's (101 - 107 (110pm) and 121 - 126) but in practice those that are out in the am peak are reformed to cover cancelled all day runners and then after the PM peak some are reformed into those peak extra trains that stay out late. All this reforming means that S stocks are sometimes making their way onto non nominated workings. Yesterday (Sunday) we had 7 trains cancelled. Seven trains canclled on a sunday due to "no ok stock". I've never seen the like!! In addition to the RMT ban, some ad hoc S stock extra's are being pushed out to help the situation but we are abosolutely not in random anything can be anything territory.
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Post by superteacher on Aug 10, 2015 20:20:47 GMT
There is still a 'nominated workings' list, with the additions mentioned by tridentalx above. Unfortunately the RMT overtime ban by depot staff is affecting the ability to keep to the list, indeed this morning 11 trains from Ealing Common and 6 trains from Upminster were cancelled, due to no available stock. Many D & S7 trains were mis-allocated with D on 63., S on 124 etc. Although all driving staff should now be trained on S7s the nominated trains list still survives but depot staff restrictions are affecting this of late. 17 trains cancelled? The service didn't seen too bad, and a good service was reported (not that this means much mind you!) |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 13:20:42 GMT
Just a quick question
How many s7 are there now running on the district line.
Not including the edgware/Wimbledon branch?
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Post by superteacher on Aug 12, 2015 13:50:27 GMT
There were 19 in service on Monday, not including the Edgware Road to Wimbledon service.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Aug 12, 2015 13:51:54 GMT
How many s7 are there now running on the district line. ? According to superteacher two days ago 27 workings are s stock. The working numbers (in octal) go up to 126 (which is 86 in base ten), but as there were only ever 75 D-stock trains there must be some gaps. (I'm sure someone will tell us) So I guess it's now about one in three? |
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Post by class411 on Aug 12, 2015 14:03:10 GMT
I actually got my first District line S Stock ride, the weekend before last.
After a very pleasant afternoon at Kew and a pint in the pub adjacent to the station I noticed first one, then two, bright blue-tinted lights approaching from Richmond.
(In underground sections of the H&C/Met, the first indication of Sx stock approaching was the colour temperature of the lights, which could always be seen before the front of the train became visible.)
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Post by Dstock7080 on Aug 12, 2015 14:16:04 GMT
According to superteacher two days ago 27 workings are s stock. The working numbers (in octal) go up to 126 (which is 86 in base ten), but as there were only ever 75 D-stock trains there must be some gaps. (I'm sure someone will tell us) So I guess it's now about one in three? Train numbers exclude '8' and '9' (since the 1960s) Current District series: 1-56 (excluding '8' and '9')=46; 60-67 =8; 101-107 =7, 121-126 =6 (+115 117 late evening =2) =69 70-77 =8 (Wim-ERd) |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Aug 12, 2015 15:05:00 GMT
According to superteacher two days ago 27 workings are s stock. The working numbers (in octal) go up to 126 (which is 86 in base ten), but as there were only ever 75 D-stock trains there must be some gaps. (I'm sure someone will tell us) So I guess it's now about one in three? Train numbers exclude '8' and '9' (since the 1960s) Current District series: 1-56 (excluding '8' and '9')=46; 60-67 =8; 101-107 =7, 121-126 =6 (+115 117 late evening =2) =69 70-77 =8 (Wim-ERd) Thankyou - so the list given by Superteacher includes the eight Wim-ERd duties 70-77. That leaves 19 S stock duties on the "main" on the day superteacher reported, out of 67 (not counting the two late-evening turns) which is just over one in four. (Is there a particular reason why there is no Number 57, 100 or 120, or why the 11x series is under-used?) |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 20:03:16 GMT
Thanks for the reply, much appreciated
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Post by paulsw2 on Aug 13, 2015 7:34:28 GMT
Train numbers exclude '8' and '9' (since the 1960s) Current District series: 1-56 (excluding '8' and '9')=46; 60-67 =8; 101-107 =7, 121-126 =6 (+115 117 late evening =2) =69 70-77 =8 (Wim-ERd) Thankyou - so the list given by Superteacher includes the eight Wim-ERd duties 70-77. That leaves 19 S stock duties on the "main" on the day superteacher reported, out of 67 (not counting the two late-evening turns) which is just over one in four. (Is there a particular reason why there is no Number 57, 100 or 120, or why the 11x series is under-used?) A couple of additions as DStock7080 is an early person who never sees 110 (Mon Fri PM only) and 113 114 Weekend Olympia-HSK there are also 2 weekend football trains that can run if required 141 142 (west end) 121 122 (East end) |
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Post by Colin on Aug 13, 2015 11:48:16 GMT
(Is there a particular reason why there is no Number 57, 100 or 120, or why the 11x series is under-used?) Put simply, they're not required! Perhaps the following lists will explain it all; firstly this is the basic off peak numbering system for the main part of the District line service - that means we use this system between the peaks on monday to fridays and all day saturday & sunday: 1 to 24 Upminster - Richmond 25 to 50 Upminster - Ealing Broadway 51 to 56 Tower Hill - Wimbledon 60 to 67 Barking - Wimbledon During the early morning start up & through the morning peak, and then through the evening peak into late evening, trains can be found working to differernt destinations to that implied above. ------------------------------------------------------------ 70 to 77 Edgware Road - Wimbledon Aside from a few stock moves to & from Ealing common depot, this is all they ever do. ------------------------------------------------------------ 101 to 107 Upminster inter peak stablers 110 Upminster evening peak starter 121 - 126 Ealing Common inter peak stablers These are our peak extras. They go into the depots mentioned above after the morning peak and come out again in the afternoon ready for the evening peak. ------------------------------------------------------------ 113 & 114 High Street Kensington - Olympia These run on saturdays & sundays only ------------------------------------------------------------ 115 & 117 Overnight outstabler's I won't say where as don't wanna encourage vandals, but these two come out of Upminster depot late at night and spend the night stabled somewhere out on the District line overnight. They're timetabled to return to a depot early the next day. ------------------------------------------------------------ Other number schemes are used during engineering works - typically when the line has a closure in the central area at the weekends we get 101+ numbers at the east end as it matches our weekday inter peak system. Spare trains for football at the weekends also use the same pattern - at Upminster our football spare trains are 111 & 112.....Ealing Common's are 121 & 122 |
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Post by Colin on Aug 13, 2015 12:19:30 GMT
Time to update the District line S stock nomination list I think:
Mondays to Fridays:
7, 13, 32, 34, 40, 46, 47, 50, 55, 56, 60, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 103, 123am, 124pm
That's 27 in total, 8 on the Egdware Road's and 19 on the main.
Saturdays: (non engineering works)
4, 11, 12, 15, 16, 17, 21, 32, 33, 36, 47, 50, 51, 60, 64, 67, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77
That's 24 in total, 8 on the Egdware Road's and 16 on the main.
Sundays: (non engineering works)
1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 10, 11, 15, 33, 37, 56, 61, 62, 65, 66, 67, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77
That's 25 in total, 8 on the Egdware Road's and 17 on the main.
The Edgware Road service is fully S stock as it replaced C stocks (D stocks cannot operate between High Street Kensington and Edgware Road). I don't know why the others are nominated in the way they are, nor why there's only 24 on a Saturday but 25 on a Sunday and I don't suppose anyone else can answer that either. I have merely replicated the information as it is put out by the upgrade manager that puts out the said information.
As has been said previously, you may see S stock's on other workings or more S stocks out than are shown above - things are chaotic at present due to an RMT union overtime ban affecting train maintenence. Trains are being reformed onto different workings several times during each day and trains are being pushed out as soon as they're fit for service, D or S!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 21:34:16 GMT
On my way home to Elm Park around an hour ago I passed 21505/21506 on a westbound service.i assume this is the highest S7 so far in service.
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Post by superteacher on Aug 13, 2015 22:20:36 GMT
On my way home to Elm Park around an hour ago I passed 21505/21506 on a westbound service.i assume this is the highest S7 so far in service. Almost! 21507 / 508 are in service. |
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Post by wimblephil on Aug 14, 2015 7:19:43 GMT
So Monday to Friday, outside of the peak, only 5 of the Wimbledon workings are made up of D-Stock? Could this branch be the first to loose them altogether? Or the way the that the line operates will it be the case that no branch will truly loose them until the final one has run?
It's funny as the majority of 'District Main' that I spot operating as S-Stock tend to be to/from Richmond/Ealing Broadway! This is usually during he Peaks though...
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Post by superteacher on Aug 14, 2015 7:33:23 GMT
So Monday to Friday, outside of the peak, only 5 of the Wimbledon workings are made up of D-Stock? Could this branch be the first to loose them altogether? Or the way the that the line operates will it be the case that no branch will truly loose them until the final one has run? It's funny as the majority of 'District Main' that I spot operating as S-Stock tend to be to/from Richmond/Ealing Broadway! This is usually during he Peaks though... Due to the way the timetable works, it won't be possible to convert a particular branch to be worked solely by S stock. Even though services tend to be self contained on the branches during the off peak, these trains can and do work to other branches in the peaks, early morning and evening. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Aug 14, 2015 7:47:42 GMT
Unless a timetable change is made to restrict D Stock to a particular depot and branch ?!? (hint)
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Post by superteacher on Aug 14, 2015 8:13:13 GMT
Unless a timetable change is made to restrict D Stock to a particular depot and branch ?!? (hint) Tease! |
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Post by towerman on Aug 14, 2015 11:36:01 GMT
(Is there a particular reason why there is no Number 57, 100 or 120, or why the 11x series is under-used?) Put simply, they're not required! Perhaps the following lists will explain it all; firstly this is the basic off peak numbering system for the main part of the District line service - that means we use this system between the peaks on monday to fridays and all day saturday & sunday: 1 to 24 Upminster - Richmond 25 to 50 Upminster - Ealing Broadway 51 to 56 Tower Hill - Wimbledon 60 to 67 Barking - Wimbledon During the early morning start up & through the morning peak, and then through the evening peak into late evening, trains can be found working to differernt destinations to that implied above. ------------------------------------------------------------ 70 to 77 Edgware Road - Wimbledon Aside from a few stock moves to & from Ealing common depot, this is all they ever do. ------------------------------------------------------------ 101 to 107 Upminster inter peak stablers 110 Upminster evening peak starter 121 - 126 Ealing Common inter peak stablers These are our peak extras. They go into the depots mentioned above after the morning peak and come out again in the afternoon ready for the evening peak. ------------------------------------------------------------ 113 & 114 High Street Kensington - Olympia These run on saturdays & sundays only ------------------------------------------------------------ 115 & 117 Overnight outstabler's I won't say where as don't wanna encourage vandals, but these two come out of Upminster depot late at night and spend the night stabled somewhere out on the District line overnight. They're timetabled to return to a depot early the next day. ------------------------------------------------------------ Other number schemes are used during engineering works - typically when the line has a closure in the central area at the weekends we get 101+ numbers at the east end as it matches our weekday inter peak system. Spare trains for football at the weekends also use the same pattern - at Upminster our football spare trains are 111 & 112.....Ealing Common's are 121 & 122 Can remember when there was a T100 & T120 on the District,T100 was the first AM stabler at Upminster & T120 was the first AM stabler at Ealing Common.I think they disappeared in the 80s or 90s. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2015 16:12:26 GMT
Unless a timetable change is made to restrict D Stock to a particular depot and branch ?!? (hint) There are no plans to do that although I guess that could be the outcome when only the last few are left. At some point in the coming months the nominated workings will switch from S stock to D stock and then S stock will be allocated to any running. |
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Post by wimblephil on Aug 14, 2015 18:35:02 GMT
Things certainly feel like they've picked up quick. It doesn't seem that long ago I was still hoping to catch an S Wimbleware when a C would trundle up...!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2015 19:32:34 GMT
On my way home to Elm Park around an hour ago I passed 21505/21506 on a westbound service.i assume this is the highest S7 so far in service. Almost! 21507 / 508 are in service. Many thanks I will keep a look out for them too |
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Post by superteacher on Aug 17, 2015 19:54:20 GMT
S stock workings for Monday 17th August:
2,3,11,14,15,24,26,27,30,33,36,41,50,51,52,53,55,60,62,63,64,66,67,123 (pm)
Plus 70 - 77.
Did not see 45,101,102,103,105,106,107,121,122,124,125,126
So 24 S stock on District main, 32 in total for whole line.
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Post by Colin on Aug 17, 2015 20:52:33 GMT
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Post by superteacher on Aug 17, 2015 21:10:50 GMT
The ones you didn't see were all canceled due to no ok stock. Good service though, natrually  Typical! Is this overtime ban affecting D stock more than S stock? |
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Post by Colin on Aug 18, 2015 1:08:49 GMT
Typical! Is this overtime ban affecting D stock more than S stock? Its affecting all facets of depot operations at both Ealing Common & Upminster depots, plus train preps at Parsons Green, Lillie Bridge depot and Triangle sidings. The reason we're seeing a high number of daily cancelations at the moment is that they cannot prep all of the trains required for service without the overtime cover. I dunno about other lines but I wouldn't be too surprised if they're having issues of some sort or other as well - I'm sure I saw earlier that LU ran 70 less trains across the combine during the peaks today.......clearly they weren't all missing from the District and clearly the good service message is BS. To answer your specific question, I dunno what the regime is for S stocks but I gather D stock has to have an exam every 28 days in addition to the daily train prep. I also gather that the current answer to D stocks exceeding their 28 day exams is to simply push out a new S stock that has plenty of time before needing an exam thus the problem is temporarily extended into the future. Officially we're not supposed to be increasing the number of S stock nominated workings until the company wide industrial dispute is settled yet some bright spark has decided that they'll utilise as many S stocks as they can lay their hands on to cover for D stocks overdue their 28 day exams. Trouble is we're now seeing D stock's dumped in various unusual places becuase they're running out of space in the depots due to the number of S stocks now on the line. I'm not so sure the line is using the right tactics to deal with issue. Why aren't the D stocks being moved on to Viva Rail? I guess they can't because like I say, officially we're not supposed to be increasing our S stock numbers at the present time and I expect Viva Rail were told there would be a pause in deliveries. |
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