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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2011 20:30:03 GMT
Earlier this evening I spotted two S-stock workings. Train 443 was S-stock; spotted it at Baker Street at approx. 16.50, heading for Aldgate. A couple of minutes later, another one turned up, running into platform 4, to go out as train 431, to Uxbridge.
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Post by metman on Jun 23, 2011 20:56:47 GMT
Yes I saw two S stock workings on the Uxbridge branch in the pm peak.
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Post by citysig on Jun 23, 2011 21:14:36 GMT
Is it possible that it could be a shortened production S8? I remember reading on here that both pre-production trains would run as S7s for testing, and if 21099 will still be needed as an S8 for a while then it would make sense to borrow another unit. There are rumours that the H&C will start to get S7s once the Met has 40 S8s, but it seems surprising that unit 21301(?) would be delivered so soon (unless the reason for getting some S7s 'early' has more to do with C stock reliability than having new trains on the H&C for the Olympics). The "other" pre-production S8 is still with us at Neasden (for the next few days anyway) whilst the S7 they were going to deliver is (as I have heard) already available to come down to London. We need the S7s to forge ahead with testing on the H&C and driver training - basically the sooner drivers on the H&C can start their training, the better we will cope once the S7s enter service (possibly by the end of the year - which isn't that far off when you think about it ;D ) |
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Post by citysig on Jun 23, 2011 21:18:12 GMT
Earlier this evening I spotted two S-stock workings. Train 443 was S-stock; spotted it at Baker Street at approx. 16.50, heading for Aldgate. A couple of minutes later, another one turned up, running into platform 4, to go out as train 431, to Uxbridge. These are now regular booked trains formed of S-stock. See the workings I recently posted here. (Had to do a bit of searching myself as I couldn't remember which of the many threads I'd stuck them in - turns out it was this one 3 pages back ;D ;D ) |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2011 7:57:11 GMT
The "other" pre-production S8 is still with us at Neasden (for the next few days anyway) Is that the reason that the 20s and barrier wagons worked up to West Ruislip yesterday? If so any idea of the routing to get the pre-production S8 back to Derby? Andy |
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Post by trainopd78 on Jun 24, 2011 9:21:41 GMT
The 8 car PP S stock is going back up to Derby by road from Ruislip Depot over the weekend. The class 20s and barriers are used to get the S into Ruislip depot as Ruislip Depot is not proven to be immunised against S stock. The S stock is only guaged towards london, so cannot go back up to Derby by rail.
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Post by cso on Jun 24, 2011 10:00:53 GMT
The S stock is only guaged towards london, so cannot go back up to Derby by rail. Err... don't they arrive by rail in the first place, so surely they can go back by rail? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2011 10:18:07 GMT
Maybe the northbound platforms on the way, as well as overhanging trees and other stuff, haven't been checked for that eventuality. On the other hand I'm not in a position to know any of this so a proper explanation would be welcome to correct my suggestion!
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Post by metman on Jun 24, 2011 17:23:18 GMT
I wonder if all the cars will go back at once? I would imagine that there may be two a day for example?
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Post by citysig on Jun 24, 2011 18:39:00 GMT
I wonder if all the cars will go back at once? Can you imagine the size and length of that lorry - and overtaking it will take forever  ;D ;D (sorry metman, couldn't resist  ) As far as I have heard it will be completed over the weekend, which suggests 4 per day. But it does seem a bit short-sighted (and daft) to have not gauged the northbound trip. There was always going to be a time when both pp trains would return north, and surely rail is cheaper? Maybe not in this day and age... |
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Post by citysig on Jun 24, 2011 19:28:25 GMT
Earlier this evening I spotted two S-stock workings. Train 443 was S-stock; spotted it at Baker Street at approx. 16.50, heading for Aldgate. A couple of minutes later, another one turned up, running into platform 4, to go out as train 431, to Uxbridge. These are now regular booked trains formed of S-stock. See the workings I recently posted here. (Had to do a bit of searching myself as I couldn't remember which of the many threads I'd stuck them in - turns out it was this one 3 pages back ;D ;D ) Please note, I have created a new thread with the S-stock workings, which I will update when needed (until such times as the S-stock workings dominate the timetable, then I won't). Note that from Monday 27th June some of the workings have been altered / increased. |
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Post by trainopd78 on Jun 25, 2011 15:01:58 GMT
We sent 4 cars away today and the other 4 should be gone tomorrow.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2011 20:24:31 GMT
4 cars of what?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2011 20:25:45 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2011 20:40:29 GMT
Didnt know you could split them
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jun 25, 2011 22:40:05 GMT
Normally you can't.
In this case they needed to be split so they could them away from Ruislip Depot by road.
I inadvertently saw 2-cars heading down West End Lane at 1.15!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2011 20:26:56 GMT
trainopd78 thanks for your reply.
I understand now and presumably explains why the 20s and barriers worked in some time ago and out again without apparently doing anything (to assist with getting the other pre-production S8 ready to go back to Derby by road).
There is a path in on Monday evening departing West Ruislip 2153 to get the 20s and barriers back to Peterborough.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2011 20:33:58 GMT
I find it ridiculous that they can't go back by rail, the A stock managed it and they are wider than the S Stock...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2011 13:09:06 GMT
27th June
441 - A Stock
443 21011.12
444 21007.8
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2011 20:51:14 GMT
I find it ridiculous that they can't go back by rail, the A stock managed it and they are wider than the S Stock... Without more technical information I'd concur. Does anybody have an explanantion for this? |
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Post by metrailway on Jun 27, 2011 21:02:48 GMT
I find it ridiculous that they can't go back by rail, the A stock managed it and they are wider than the S Stock... Without more technical information I'd concur. Does anybody have an explanantion for this? The S Stock is slightly longer than the A Stock so would have a different loading gauge to the A Stock. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2011 21:02:55 GMT
I find it ridiculous that they can't go back by rail, the A stock managed it and they are wider than the S Stock... Without more technical information I'd concur. Does anybody have an explanantion for this? Network Rail, probably. |
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Post by andypurk on Jun 27, 2011 22:06:59 GMT
It may also be as simple as pathing. After all, there is no need for a timetabled S-stock 'capable' path from Neasden to Derby, there just needs to be path(s) for returning the locos (and such paths don't need to take the route cleared for S-stock).
Of course, the Chiltern routes were not available over the weekend, due to engineering work, so if the unit needed to go back when it did, there would be little alternative to road.
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Post by A60stock on Jun 28, 2011 17:51:05 GMT
at the moment the s8s are limited, the acceleration is quite slow, however when the s7s come into use will the have faster acceleration? it seems at the moment c and d stocks are quicker of the mark than the s8s!
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Post by causton on Jun 30, 2011 22:45:24 GMT
My friend at school, someone who texted the Metro newspaper's letters page, a TfL colleague I know and I all agree on one thing - and I wondered:
Why does the S stock smell like a certain drug? (Named after another way of saying 'urinated'!)
I thought it was a passenger, then I noticed it every time I caught one, including today. Any ideas as to why? I wouldn't have posted it but everyone I ask agrees with me!
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Post by astock5000 on Jun 30, 2011 23:16:17 GMT
S stock in service today:
Train 441: 21011 - this unit has (mostly) normal adverts inside.
Train 443: 21003
Train 444: 21007
I also saw the class 20s running north through Wembley Park early this afternoon.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2011 23:21:27 GMT
Train 444 was showing 'Moorgate' in the destination displays when it passed through Farringdon this evening at approx. 2055.
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Post by tubeprune on Jul 6, 2011 7:31:57 GMT
Train 444 was showing 'Moorgate' in the destination displays when it passed through Farringdon this evening at approx. 2055. Yes, Platform 2 at Aldgate was out of action due to a points failure. |
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Post by citysig on Jul 6, 2011 17:28:24 GMT
Most of the S-stocks visited the bays at Moorgate yesterday evening due to the above problem.
The Jubilee also suffered some problems during the peak, leading us to stop a few trains at Willesden Green in both directions. 3 of the trains that stopped were S-stocks. Not sure if these were the first to stop there or not.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2011 11:13:49 GMT
07/07/2011 AM
441 21019/20
443 21003/4
444 A-Stock
461 A-Stock
462 21007/8
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