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Post by DWS on Apr 2, 2011 23:47:39 GMT
What mods would this be ? It's an alteration to the way MB14 and MB140 in Baker St Platform 3 operate - including the fix to a computer problem that has existed since 1987. PRJB is quite right that it is SPAD Mitigation, which I knew all along (it says so on the front of the design), but that's not what I've been told by other people... Yes the "Double Shot" Timing Section |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2011 7:01:49 GMT
Any idea when the next S8 will be down? Did the S7 make it down ok? One of the choppers failed on the S7 delivery with brake problems, somewhere near Princes Risborough. Don't know what happened afterwards but I'd imagine it got there! |
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Post by mrfs42 on Apr 3, 2011 7:07:52 GMT
Don't know what happened afterwards but I'd imagine it got there! Welcome to the privatised world: nearest 'fresh' 20 at Sellafield two others nearer out of ticket.  |
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Post by andypurk on Apr 3, 2011 7:35:52 GMT
Don't know what happened afterwards but I'd imagine it got there! Welcome to the privatised world: nearest 'fresh' 20 at Sellafield two others nearer out of ticket. Well, until you get to Amersham, when those on hire to LU would magically become available  Of course, the S-stock delivery trains have two 20s at the front and two at the back, so in case of serious failure there is a 'spare' at the other end of the train. |
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Post by prjb on Apr 3, 2011 19:35:07 GMT
Just in case it hasn't been posted elsewhere (couldn't see it anywhere), 'S' Stock ran to Aldgate in passenger service today for the first time.
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Post by metman on Apr 3, 2011 20:13:18 GMT
How many S8 have been built now?  |
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Post by prjb on Apr 3, 2011 21:26:29 GMT
How many S8 have been built now? I have been a bit busy the past few weeks with getting ready for the M3 milestone (hence not much posting here  ) so haven't looked at the latest build report. The last one I saw (about two weeks ago) declared 24 trains with Train 23 and Train 24 in early stages of build. I will have a look at the latest report this week and let you know.  |
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Post by den on Apr 3, 2011 22:21:45 GMT
Just in case it hasn't been posted elsewhere (couldn't see it anywhere), 'S' Stock ran to Aldgate in passenger service today for the first time. Does this mean that the rate of delivery will increase and we'll see more of them out and about? What about A stock scrapping? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2011 3:46:48 GMT
The last one I saw (about two weeks ago) declared 24 trains with Train 23 and Train 24 in early stages of build. I will have a look at the latest report this week and let you know. The production rate seems quite high - are they being built even more quickly than the 09 stock? Also, from now on, will the S stock still just run to Baker Street much more frequently than all the way to Aldgate? |
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Post by cso on Apr 4, 2011 8:20:38 GMT
Just in case it hasn't been posted elsewhere (couldn't see it anywhere), 'S' Stock ran to Aldgate in passenger service today for the first time. Ooh, I didn't think there were usually any S-Stock's out and about on a Sunday  Where else did it run too/from? |
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Post by metman on Apr 4, 2011 8:27:01 GMT
I would guess Uxbridge, but may have been Depot-Finchley Road-Aldgate-Wembley?
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Post by prjb on Apr 4, 2011 17:29:26 GMT
Just in case it hasn't been posted elsewhere (couldn't see it anywhere), 'S' Stock ran to Aldgate in passenger service today for the first time. Does this mean that the rate of delivery will increase and we'll see more of them out and about? What about A stock scrapping? We are about to recommence deliveries, but for the moment you will continue to see three out at any one time and generally north of Baker Street. We are planning a slow and steady approach to 'S' Stock's continued introduction. |
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Post by knap on Apr 4, 2011 17:34:10 GMT
Last Sunday (3/4/11) I was on platform 2 at Baker Street at roughly 1:45 and an S Stock came in from the City with destination Harrow. I caught it hoping to connect with the Chiltern service at Harrow. Quite a pleasant ride in the sun shine, let down by the front coach doors not opening at Harrow! Loads of announcements on route, no announcements about doors not opening, although there was some sort of red indication above the door (not much good when you are registered blind!), so another passenger suggested we go down the train, where a guy in a hi vis and suit was standing, could he have not said something, or arranged for a P A announcement? I heard plenty of announcements on the train afterwards when they were trying (I assume) to fix the doors after everyone had got off. Teething problems are annoying for every one, staff and passengers alike!
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Post by prjb on Apr 4, 2011 17:34:51 GMT
Just in case it hasn't been posted elsewhere (couldn't see it anywhere), 'S' Stock ran to Aldgate in passenger service today for the first time. Ooh, I didn't think there were usually any S-Stock's out and about on a Sunday Where else did it run too/from? This was an initial 'in service' performance and trialling run. We ran from depot to Harrow on the Hill, then reversed and ran to Aldgate. The northbound trip was to Harrow on the Hill, where we reversed and then ran empty to depot via the fast. The train was well received with a number of customers asking questions and giving really positive feedback. I have a photo of it alongside a 'C' Stock at Aldgate (it's not very good but you get the picture!). I can send it to Phil to upload if anyone is interested? |
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Post by prjb on Apr 4, 2011 17:44:52 GMT
Last Sunday (3/4/11) I was on platform 2 at Baker Street at roughly 1:45 and an S Stock came in from the City with destination Harrow. I caught it hoping to connect with the Chiltern service at Harrow. Quite a pleasant ride in the sun shine, let down by the front coach doors not opening at Harrow! Loads of announcements on route, no announcements about doors not opening, although there was some sort of red indication above the door (not much good when you are registered blind!), so another passenger suggested we go down the train, where a guy in a hi vis and suit was standing, could he have not said something, or arranged for a P A announcement? I heard plenty of announcements on the train afterwards when they were trying (I assume) to fix the doors after everyone had got off. Teething problems are annoying for every one, staff and passengers alike! The Train Operator missed the stopping mark slightly and was busy trying to get the doors sorted which is why there was no annoucement (as it wasn't a scheduled location for selective door operation). The guy in the suit and Hi Vi was also trying to sort the doors and was in contact with the leading cab, by the time he was in a position to walk down to the carriage you were in, to advise everyone, you were already making your own way out. I can state that with confidence since I was the 'guy' in the suit and Hi Vi.  |
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Post by SE13 on Apr 4, 2011 18:02:42 GMT
The train was well received with a number of customers asking questions and giving really positive feedback. I have a photo of it alongside a 'C' Stock at Aldgate (it's not very good but you get the picture!). I can send it to Phil to upload if anyone is interested? Send it over to me if you like, I'll send on my e-mail address via PM and as I spend quite a large proportion of my day on the computer, it can be up within minutes. |
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Post by prjb on Apr 4, 2011 18:24:50 GMT
The train was well received with a number of customers asking questions and giving really positive feedback. I have a photo of it alongside a 'C' Stock at Aldgate (it's not very good but you get the picture!). I can send it to Phil to upload if anyone is interested? Send it over to me if you like, I'll send on my e-mail address via PM and as I spend quite a large proportion of my day on the computer, it can be up within minutes. You have them, thanks. |
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Post by SE13 on Apr 4, 2011 18:36:44 GMT
Send it over to me if you like, I'll send on my e-mail address via PM and as I spend quite a large proportion of my day on the computer, it can be up within minutes. You have them, thanks. Et voila: S stock meets C stock:  And to show it made it there:  |
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Post by cso on Apr 4, 2011 18:42:26 GMT
Apparently the stopping mark thing happened at Eastcote too, the other night there... and someone pulled the PEA as the doors wouldn't open.
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Post by uzairjubilee on Apr 4, 2011 18:58:50 GMT
That 1st picture is the second most beautiful thing I have seen in my life ;D. The best one will be an S Stock next to a D Stock ;D Anyway, if there is an S7 at Neasden, and the Circle/H&C lines are the first out of C/H&C/D lines to get the S Stock, does that mean it will soon be transferred to Hammersmith Depot, or will it remain at Neasden and when it does go into service in the near future, return to Neasden Depot? Thanks |
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Post by Ben on Apr 4, 2011 19:06:23 GMT
Thanks for the pics, good that its got to aldgate. Quite aside from the doors and buldge, the rubber surrounds to the windows are really thick and noticable. Almost like a cartoon. Still I suppose its better for keeping the weather out! Lets hope the S8s aspire to do the entire circle at some point in the distant future.
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Post by knap on Apr 5, 2011 9:33:43 GMT
I can state that with confidence since I was the 'guy' in the suit and Hi Vi. Ah good to put a face to someone you "see" on the internet. I am sure you can appreciate there is a worry when dooors don't open and there is no immediate re assurance! |
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Post by metman on Apr 5, 2011 9:44:22 GMT
That 1st picture is the second most beautiful thing I have seen in my life ;D. The best one will be an S Stock next to a D Stock ;D Anyway, if there is an S7 at Neasden, and the Circle/H&C lines are the first out of C/H&C/D lines to get the S Stock, does that mean it will soon be transferred to Hammersmith Depot, or will it remain at Neasden and when it does go into service in the near future, return to Neasden Depot? Thanks Not about about being the most beautiful thing.... I would have thought it extremely unlikely that the S7 would be transfered to Hammersmith yet as all the engineers are based at Neasden. I don't think Hammersmith Depot has been enabled for S stock yet and there may not be room! |
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Post by cso on Apr 5, 2011 14:08:25 GMT
Just ended up on an S Stock to Uxbridge, and it's a pity there's the Clock thing at the top of platform 2/3 or I could have had a better picture than I managed of an S Stock, 73ts and A Stock in the platforms at Uxbridge.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2011 19:42:25 GMT
Thanks for the pics guys.  Am loooking forward to taking a ride on one between Baker St and Finchley Road ad then to Wembley as a fair distance between each of the stops to see how quickly they accelerate... But am guessing we'll have to wait for the signalling to be upgraded before we see full potential. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2011 19:52:34 GMT
see how quickly they accelerate... They have an acceleration profile loaded of roughly the A stock. |
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Post by metman on Apr 5, 2011 22:20:28 GMT
It's not that bad! ;D
They do seem to be running through to Aldgate, just managed to dodge one at West Harrow this morning! Haven't seen the S7 yet!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2011 22:29:55 GMT
Can someone explain to me why S Stock needs to be restricted ? I mean on National Rail trains with different top speeds and acceleration rates share the same track without any problems.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2011 23:17:05 GMT
Because on NR the signalling is designed to accomodate trains of differing lenths and speeds an acceleration rates. Where on LU you generally only have one type of stock per line so the signalling can be 'optimised'
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Post by causton on Apr 5, 2011 23:37:37 GMT
And it would get to the next station early, and then just sit there until the booked time, as the running times are the same for S-Stock and A-Stock duties (as obviously, the S-stocks aren't guaranteed to be on the S-stock diagrams) ... On a similar note, how long till we get a regularly timetabled Aldgate train like T441/451 for the Watford branch? |
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) so haven't looked at the latest build report. The last one I saw (about two weeks ago) declared 24 trains with Train 23 and Train 24 in early stages of build.
Am loooking forward to taking a ride on one between Baker St and Finchley Road ad then to Wembley as a fair distance between each of the stops to see how quickly they accelerate... But am guessing we'll have to wait for the signalling to be upgraded before we see full potential.
