massive fare rises for met users'

and what has boris johnson done about these fare rises',we have just found out.

zones 2-9 hit me as i then used the bus to golders green,this is totally outrageous fair rises.also why are trains heading to upminster for maintenance?.

the met lines outlay does give an indication of its past.

homepage.ntlworld.com/clivebillson/tube/1960.html

previously to these rises it was more viable to abandon chiltern at amersham and use a then oyster card,this advantage has been lost,however i have not seen the latest chiltern fares but it now looks if someone traveling by met from amersham or chiltern from aylesbury to harrow will now pay the same,again leaving the difference south of harrow,this then leaves the bus option open also from that point.

i dont know how long these new fares have been on the tfl website,the increases appear to be announced in october but little outside publicity was generated.its without doubt that they will only come to prominence for most people now.

also separate anyone paying the £2 a day zone 1 increase over five week days will end up paying £40 a month more,that soon starts adding up,there may well be more surprises for other users elsewhere on the system also.

upminster is still within greater london.not sure about the epping fares though as this relates to the metroplitan section.


good spot small increase from epping.

peak/off peak cap 2010.

£14.80 £7.50

2011

£15.00 £8.00

there is some explaining to do and tfl are not doing it.

Could Essex decide to withdraw funding then and force the Central line stations outside of Zone 6?

In theory, yes, but without seeing the agreement with TfL or the subsidy profile it is not possible to say on what terms any changes could be made. There is nothing on Essex CC's website nor on TfL's regarding subsidy for the Central line but if you were to make an enquiry under the Freedom of Information Act to Essex (as the procuring authority) to obtain further details, they may release a copy of the agreement or, more likely, a summary to you.

THC

The headline 9 to 1 single fares are very reasonable in my view, in fact I think the off-peak PAYG single is underpriced if anything. Clearly there theoretical increase on the cap for a 9 - 2 journey is quite outlandish but, apart from the occasional transport enthusiast, I seriously doubt that most people who formerly hit the old cap will now hit the new one.

Surely you detect someone crossing Z1 on a 2-6 Travelcard the same way you'd detect anyone crossing with a dodgy ticket - with ticket inspectors! Although that would mean TfL hiring some people, so I guess thats out the window.

in response to a couple of comments made in this thread:

Yes people do travel through zone 1 without a zone 1 valid card (or having touched in at the appropriate point) e.g. Using a 2-6 travelcard traveling West across zone 1 from Canary Wharf on the DLR and tube (that's why they often check tickets between Shadwell and Bank even though passengers will need to touch out from whichever tube station they get off at).
If the DLR inspectors checked the ticket at any other point on that DLR journey then the travelcard would be valid even though it had not been touched in.

A flat fare for the tubes is seen as being unfair and unworkable - however it is worth bearing in mind that this is the exact situation that applies on London buses - going 2-3 stops to the local shops costs the same as a cross London journey through zone 1 - making long journeys seem very cheap while the short ones seem very expensive.

nothing can disguise this rise,there has been various ideas put for reasoning,the line is subsidised in the fact chiltern pay to use it.

it remains that the mayor and tfl have kept very silent and havent issued any statement that could remotely justify any of this,the fact remains during a recession companies take customers for granted and hike prices massively.just walk away is the best advice.

I have agree with SE13. From my perspective, working in London all week and back to North Lincolnshire for weekends, the fares on LUL are unbelievably cheap. And then, if you take into account the ratio of fare cost to average London wage (which is considerably higher than most of the rest of the UK - which is why I choose to work there) it makes it even better. Up here, you might get a few sporadic buses every now and again and a one carriage train service that is laughable at best.

Flat fare or PAYG......either way, you'd still really get a good deal in London compared to elsewhere

I can't recall being ticket checked on a train in zone 1, but I have been checked entering zone 1 (DLR) and exiting zone 1 (H&C between Paddington and Royal Oak).

If you consider London fares horrendously extorionate compared to the rest of the world, then just think how bad it is for people in the rest of the UK where London fares are seen as exceedingly good value. And that is not a joke, fares in the rest of the country really are that bad (and service levels are atrocious too).
From Cheddar it is possible to commute into central Bristol by car in about 40 minutes door-to-door in the rush hour. By public transport it's a minimum of an hour and a half, including one change, with the peak frequency being once an hour. Public transport is significantly less reliable and very significantly more expensive - and the only effect of the fuel duty rises is to make public transport proportionally MORE expensive as those fares are allowed to rise above the rate of inflation which takes into account the inflationary effect of the fuel price rises.
Taunton is about the same distance as Bristol, yet it is not possible to commute there by public transport from here - the first connection doesn't get you in early enough to do a full day's work before you need to leave to get the last connection home. Assuming everything runs to schedule as none of the connections are published ones and so are only maintained by chance.

I'm sorry, but for all London prices are expensive, you pay orders of magnitude less for a service that is orders of magnitude better. I agree with you though that the problem is that public transport is treated as a way to make a profit for someone, rather than to provide a service.
Private sector operation of anything only works when there is competition, but with the exception of a handful of point-to-point journeys (over the entire country) there is no competition, and so the non-competitive routes are used to fleece the customers of the money to run the competitive routes. Booking in advance you can get from central Bristol to central London for as little as £2 one way. However, the cheapest I can get to central Bristol from here is about £10 one way.

One thing that does not appear to have been said clearly here is that it's Travel cards and daily caps that have the large variation in percentage increase...

With that availability of PAYG, I have to question why we need those kind of tickets at all. Is it not fairer that everyone pays for the journeys that they actually make?

However given that Technology has got us that far, I do agree that whilst all you can eat deals still exist, its strange that some combinations are being withdrawn - there can't be a technical requierement....

The headline increase for my PAYG commute would have been 8%, but for the concession that Evening peak travel into Z1 will henceforth be charged off-peak. Living in Z1 and working in Z5 makes me actually slightly better off under the new arrangements.

tfl's "reminder" about fare increases doesn't even mention zone 9 rises'.

www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/media/newscentre/17876.aspx

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11598617

this is totally unbelievable.