massive fare rises for met users'

Generally the smaller systems though. The larger networks, for example Paris and Berlin, have a similar zonal system to London.

Although the increase in fares at the outer end of the Met line is large, it is interesting to notice how much cheaper the zone 9 - zone 1 fare still is compared to similar National Rail routes (for example Hemel Hempstead or Berkhamstead to Euston).

Personally, I think the nasty increase is the removal of the cheaper 'not zone 1' travelcards / caps.

Traditionally, the NY subway had a flat fare - based on the the use of coin, later token, in the slot the entry turnstiles (no tickets!) - having entered the system, you could ride until you had to exit. (One of the NY subway challenge rules was to do it on one token!). These days there are various options, but all are based on a city wide flat fare system - see here.

Paris also traditionally had a flat fare system on the Metro, but with the extension of lines beyond the city proper, extra fares are payable on these; and for the Greater Paris/Ile de France region there is a zonal system which seems similar to London's, with the the City of Paris proper as the innermost Zone 1.

bus journeys outside london cover greater distances' around twenty five miles' commonly and often take detours around areas',in london bus routes are much smaller then in the past now you generally have to take at least two to make up the same route then say thirty years ago.anyone coming from chesham will have to wait thirty minutes for a train and now amersham also,anyone taking chiltern will end up in marylebone where many dont want to go if into central london,however with the new zone fares lu passengers will be paying the same as was the same previously with chiltern south of harrow where zone one fares applying,they (chiltern) obviously assumed you would stay on the line with them into zone one discarding say someone wanting finchley road in zone two and having to pay for a zone they did not want.

no doubt many will discover the new rises when they arrive at the ticket office or machine in the new year and this will come as a complete surprise,with not unreasonable customer complaints arising,a rise like this cannot by any means be justified,it will only mean less people will use the underground for unnecessary trips.its complete stupidity to price people off the system and look for other means and run a public transport system timetable with increasingly empty trains.

It probably could be done, but people in the inner zones would end up paying even more than the moment, as the overall revenue would have to be kept to a similar level as currently. Demand from the extremities would probably also have to be kept down by having additional fares for travel from outside zone 6 into the center (as an example).

Not for me to say. Which is why I'm asking on here. Thanks for your take on it. I'm now doing a few more figures! At the extremities of the Met what are the costs of getting to a London terminus in comparison to a NR station from an equivalent distance?

No change for me - peak PAYG between zones 8 and 1
Somebody making a contra flow journey from 8 or 9 to 1 with PAYG in the evening peak gets the fare halved.

It is clear that they want to get rid of "all you can eat" pricing and shift everybody to PAYG.

the mayor should go,i certainly wont be using it.this 96% rise certainly falls into this category of fleecing the passenger as far as possible to pay for failures within.

That's very true ;D

This PAYG idea using a mileage system; I was wondering that if the flat fare thing isn't workable maybe this is the fairest alternative. No arguments over zone boundaries at all. Would it help to reduce the ridiculously unrealistic high house prices in the outer commuter belt?.........might even save the housing market in London from its impending and inevitable collapse.

zoe is right,they cannot unseat him but it does highlight the type of person that has been voted in and what he represents and way he has gone about this.although the services are outside greater london area a near doubling of fares cannot be justified overnight,people will vote either by cutting down on leisure journeys' or using alternative methods of transport.me included.

raising passenger fares massively in the hope that it will recoup for other areas cannot be realistically expected to work,as mentioned people have other options especially in those areas effected.there comes a point where it is just not economical to travel by this method.the railway itself is the ultimate sufferer.

I work with colleagues who are seriously impacted by the fare increases, and they have my sympathy.

However, as a Zone 9 PAYG user, my fare is unchanged (unless I travel outside peak, in which case it's gone up 50p on a single).
My usage doesn't support buying a travelcard of any flavour, so the rise in the cap doesn't alter what I pay.
I was very surprised that I wasn't being shafted this time around, but there's always next year.
I just thought I'd chime in, since most of this thread suggests that all/most met users are facing massive rises...

Remember this?

Probably more than you realise.
I know lots of people who'll be affected by the 2-6 cap disappearing.

All well and good, but the new fares were originally announced in October and were covered in the press at the time. So no there has been no burying of bad news.