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Post by metman on Feb 16, 2012 23:01:30 GMT
That looks great. Which conductor rail chairs did you use for the 3rd rail?
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Post by metroland on Feb 17, 2012 11:02:15 GMT
That looks great. Which conductor rail chairs did you use for the 3rd rail? None at all! The centre rail is just glued to the middle of the track as the pots disappear in filth very quickly. In scale, the centre rail needs to be just 1mm above the running rails. Because there are track pins in some of the sleepers holding the track in position, you get pretty close to scale height just by having these push the centre rail up slightly. For the outer rail I just use track pins with the circular white collar from the Peco bits, with the N gauge rail glued on top. I miss out the fiddly 'pot' that comes with the Peco pack as I think it's far too fiddly and just too tricky to get 'right'.
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Post by metman on Feb 17, 2012 18:02:19 GMT
I was thinking of doing this. Some of my RTR stock like my class 168 clubman turbo is very low! I was looking to get some code 75 rail but the height issue is a problem. Great stuff
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2012 19:41:42 GMT
According to Tueprunes data on the dimensions of the rail heights the fourth rail is only 1 1/4" above the running rail. This equates to 0.5mm in 4mm scale. I shall be having mine level too! I will probably use code 100 track with code 60 third and fourth rail. I wil use the Peco 'pots' for the third rail. I asked the Hornby Magazine people about thier 'Bay Street' layout and that is what they had used. They had no trouble with thier robustness despite doing several shows a year. I will use the 'pots' but not the collars to give a little bit of clearance. As for the centre rail I will probably use the collars left over to raise the surface up to match the running lines. I also have noticed that Bachmann locos have clearance issues as do Tenshodos with small wheels.
All I have to do now is start a layout........
By the way, Quality work on the display. It really looks the part.
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Post by metroland on Feb 17, 2012 20:42:47 GMT
Metman/Glyn, thanks. I've not run every piece of kit I have over the 4 rail areas but SO FAR the only loco that has had clearance issues is an older split chassis LMS 2-6-2 (BR number 41312). That has some small lumps hanging down between the frames and this gets caught on the middle rail on this particular loco.
I have 4 Tenshodos (1 tube with a double motor, and 2 tubes with a single motor). SO FAR I've not had problems with clearance.... famous last words.....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2012 22:39:31 GMT
Metman/Glyn, thanks. I've not run every piece of kit I have over the 4 rail areas but SO FAR the only loco that has had clearance issues is an older split chassis LMS 2-6-2 (BR number 41312). That has some small lumps hanging down between the frames and this gets caught on the middle rail on this particular loco. I have 4 Tenshodos (1 tube with a double motor, and 2 tubes with a single motor). SO FAR I've not had problems with clearance.... famous last words..... It's when you use Code 75 track that you get the issues with fouling the 4th rail. A good check is to use a loco like a Bachmann 40 0r a Hornby 08 both of which have a nice bulge in their base-plates to house the drive gear- if they clear the 4th rail you have no trouble with the majority of stock. If you are using tension lock couplings you will need to shorten reduce the length of the tail on the hook as that can foul the 4th rail and derail the train. XF
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Post by metman on Feb 18, 2012 13:09:26 GMT
I invested in the scalefour society system. I had trouble with the 4th rail using this therefore I'm going to keep using the track system for the 3rd rail including their fiddly pots and use their rail flat, or on track pins for the 4th rail. I also read a great article online where the writer used code 75 track but spaced out the sleeper slightly. It really looked good and I shall try this with code 100 track. Watch this space! www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/gallery/album/1051-south-oak-road/
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Post by metroland on Mar 17, 2012 13:44:58 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2012 11:54:01 GMT
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Post by metroland on Mar 18, 2012 12:45:01 GMT
How to Cheat at 4 Rail seems self explanatory but what else might be Underground related?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2012 16:29:32 GMT
How to Cheat at 4 Rail seems self explanatory but what else might be Underground related? Oxford Road (4mm) Overground and Underground layout first time at a Show Another layout with underground stock TBC XF
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Post by metman on Aug 2, 2012 18:47:09 GMT
Ok, just about to order a load of fine scale code 75 track and once my back is better will crack on with stage 1 of Harrow. The question is painting and ballasting with juice rails!
I usually like to lay the track, spray it grey and browns then dry ballast and weather the whole lot. The idea of an ink wash meant the glue lost key with the ballast and it started to fall off.
What are people's thoughts on adding the juice rails to this process? Fix all four rails then ballast? Ballast and the fix the juice?
Finally how should one clean the running rails???
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Post by metroland on Aug 2, 2012 19:35:18 GMT
I weathered the rails after all 4 were in. It makes it tricky where you have running rail and outside juice rail but... if you weather the track then put in the outside juice rail you have the risk of different colours 'cos you've done it days/weeks/months apart.
For cleaning I have a couple of the old Triang track cleaning cars. Someone on ebay does/did replacement pads. Load the car up with plenty of IPA and use a loco to push it around. Takes a bit of practice/patience/frustration to get the tension not too loose/not too tight but a lot easier than trying to do by hand.
Any recalcitrant bits can be done by hand.
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