A60 STOCK Service withdrawal dates.

Just for info, all threads are now locked after 6 months of non-use after a rash of incidents where new members would add bits to every old thread they could find, creating great confusion (and yes, we did announce it at the time we introduced it.... )*

The info in your OP is somewhat inert in terms of new info but we hope that you will be able to provide lots of times and numbers as the process progresses.

OTOH, if nothing happens for 6 months..... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D.

*We also said that all you have to do to reopen a thread is to ask a mod - it's done immediately without discussion so you could have had the old one back if you wanted it

on the subject of 'Delays' and I quote you; 'there have been no delays'

I'm still under the impression that 'S' stock still can't run into Ricky North Sidings, which should have been commissioned some time ago, along with various other locations/sections

When you refer to delays do you mean purely on the physical delivery of 'S' stock, as surely this sits hand in hand with making the infrastructure ready, which clearly has witnessed some delays?

Another know all reply from the leader of the s stock clique, except he does not know all, and gets upset when other users post CORRECT information he has no access too.

The first set of scrapping dates started were :

5132. 16.08.2010
5179. 16.08.2010
5142. 24.08.2010
5207. 24.08.2010
5048. 01.09.2010.

These were DATED IF the s stock went into proper service. ( not mickey mouse shuttle trains) But due TO DELAYS just look now...

5132 13.01.2011
5179 13.01.2011
5142 21.01.2011
5207 21.01.2011
5048 29.01.2011.


THE LAST UNIT IS NOW 5062. 12.09.2012,, BUT LOOK AT THE FIRST SET OF DATES...

The last five to leave service should be.

5106. 16.01.2012
5118. 16.01.2012
5234. 16.01.2012
5136. 16.01.2012
5062. 16.01.2012

But all course there are no delays to the project these dates have been moved back for fun.

Once again if users require a date for a favorite unit, they can PM me.

PRJB is our prime source of 09TS and S' project data; I choose to play nice so as not to offend a gold mine... ;D

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We took it there today for wheel turning. Its got one or two thousand flats ;D

Wrong! We never planned to start releasing 'A' Stock (with the exception of the trial scrap) until we had a timtable able to accomodate an 'S' Stock service to run. That will not be until the Decemeber timetable change, you know the one that changes every Decemeber?


These look wrong to me too! I will ask the Project Manager tomorrow to confirm. Again, no delays and always planned to introduce 'S' Stock on an operational segment basis. Just as we are doing.


These also look wrong to me. The problem here is that the line/depot only get to offer the order of scrapping (which unit to go next), based on various factors, but it is the project who dictate when those trains will be taken out.
We havent even confirmed the company who will carry out the scrap yet so it would be difficult to confirm the rate at which the trains will be withdrawn. In addition we haven't confirmed the full production build rate for the new stock yet either, so again how could we give firm dates for scrapping when we do not have firm dates for new trains arriving? All the dates we have currently will be shuffled around, which is fine provided we ensure that we meet our milestones, and currently we are achieving our milestones - hence no delay.

I would think prjb saw that absolutely appalling shock image.

Oh. It must mean more " minor maintenance" on the damaged wheelsets.

The trucks are removed at Acton, sent over to BT Ilford for turning, then put back under at Acton. The depot ( neasden) cannot cope with the current workload.

Aldgate will be the last S8 segment to go 'live' next year. We are currently working towards all destinations north of Baker Street.


We plan to have three 'S' stock in service and these have specific paths in the new timetable that accomodate this. The paths allow for the trains to run between Baker Street and all northern destinations but could be utilised by 'A' Stock. Similarly, once we can run to Aldgate then we can run them on any path in the new timetable.


Yes, there are a number of limiting factors. There is a set number that we can take without more stabling being available (Uxbridge etc) and without an increase in power in the depot (which is being worked on). There is also a tipping point where we cannot take anymore without commencing 'A' Stock scrap. We are on track in terms of delivery and in terms of the next milestone, which is why I am stating the program hasn't suffered a delay. Thats not to say that we haven't had a number of set backs along the way though, just none big enough (yet!) to impact on our milestones.


No worries!

Rail voltage is being upgraded to 750 volts as opposed to 630 volts which the A stock is run on.

Of those listed for January withdrawal this was the state of play on Sunday:

5132 in service (T410) paired with 5065
5179 stabled Wembley Park paired with 5109
5142 Neasden depot, outside adjacent to main running lines and not paired. Gone by early evening.
5048 not seen
5207 in service (T417) paired with 5038 and suffering badly from wheelflats!!

Has anyone seen 5142 out and about since?

5138 was at Upminster Depot for wheel set turning on the lathe last week.

For those of you like me who remain very interested to find out which two units will be leaving the Met for scrap in two days time, the two units that were indicated as possibles last week, i.e. 5132 and 5179 were both in service this evening, remaining coupled to the units I mentioned in my posting 4 days ago.